I didn’t even phrase it to be one sided.
I said if they are using them as qualifiers, as in, these event are used to promote IPL’s thing and not having to host their own qualifiers.
Did you guess see the complaining about Spooky hosting Tekken last week? It was sooooo stupid, and dickish.
I just glad that Other fighters can use MLG to help themselves out as well.
WTF?
NEC XIII had more player sign-ups than ever. Even Persona 4 Arena has 200-250 entrants, which is over DOUBLE the highest number of mk9 entrants MLG ever attracted. Persona has a 750$ pot bonus, which is nice but the money is obviously NOT the reason why so many players signed up.
You seem to believe that fighting GAMERS care as much about money as e-sports ATHLETES (lololol) . Fighting gamers treat a trip to NEC XIII or other grassroot event as a week-end vacation. They have more fun at these grassroot events than at MLG,which is why FGC events ALWAYS had way more player sign-ups than MLG has.
It’s pretty IGNorant of you to claim that it’s too expensive to enter tourneys for the sheer fun anymore, when attendance at FGC event has been going up year after year.
I’m not claiming that players only care about the money, I’m saying that money is a major factor in sometimes going or not going to a tournament. You can’t help but factor it into your tournament playing experience and you can argue that things are going up all day long, the fact is that eSports draws millions of spectators all over the world. It will take a really major successful game to keep things independent and within the FGC itself. Unfortunately, that’s not going to happen and it will take some time unless Capcom does something magical with their next releases or something comes on the scene with a major hit. Otherwise, eSports is the only way to go in order to grow not because fighting game players only care about the money, but because money helps support so many areas of a competitive system.
Of course, you can say, “screw it all!” But, the FGC will always remain small where there are few sponsors and less money coming into the scene that hinders a lot more players from joining than what there is already today regardless of the growth.
I still stand by my response and saying it’s a good direction for growth on all ends.
Milk this shit eSports thing for all it’s worth because it won’t last forever.
As much as I hate UMvC 3, I hate Strekken moar. Why dont they just put UMvC 3 in instead? That game is at least okay to watch at tourneys.
Back in Evo 2011, they had 2.2 million unique viewers and over 100k concurrent viewers on ustream + unknown number of concurrent viewers on playstation network.
You’re making it sound it like there’s only death outside of e-sports, which is NOT the case when you look at Evo, NEC, Summer Jam, Final Round, SoCal regionals, CEO etc who all had more entrants year after year.
FGC can remain independent and be successful just fine.
It’s surely not death outside of eSports, but there is no way in hell fighting games are going to top other games that have like 20 million registered users and god knows how many active monthly users just for one game title. You’re comparing apples to oranges where most of the world is preferring one over the other. You can’t win that argument pulling Evo numbers compared to what’s been accomplished in eSports. 
Don’t argue it here, you wont win. Even if you use facts, they’ll pull out how the Fighting Games did at MLG and of course those are the fighting game that do poorly everywhere else anyway. Also the limited number of entrants and stuff like that are things they use. Honestly MLG did not go into fighting games correctly, only out of spite and IPL is doing it the right and correct way. They are working for the community, and “using” qualifiers is a very rude way to put it. The FGC has been begging for Capcom support for years outside EVO and IPL finally broke that wall for the grassroots tournaments, so I don’t know why so much QQ is going on.
You have to keep in mind though, that we do live in different times where shooters and MOBA’s are moar popular than fighters used to be, and even if they are, they are usually in local matches and online, at least for Oklahoma for me. But even if it was to die, the community are the ones who have always supported it. If it was to die, it would be because noone in the community cared. That’s why I think the FGC is still somewhat big. The fans are behind it all.
You’re correct, fighting games cannot top League of Legends in popularity.
But does it matter if League of Legends is doing better than FGC? GOOD FOR LEAGUE OF LEGENDS. I sense that the Starcraft 2 community keeps comparing themselves to League of Legends and is worried about them.
But the FGC organizers are happy with doing their own thing, there’s no need to beat League of Legends. As long as tournament entries for FGC keep the same or rising, and viewers numbers remain consistent, with everyone enjoying themselves, which is the case right now, it’s all good.
MLG worked out fine for the MK community.
Success isn’t relative, smartass.
Well, it’s actually a bad argument anyways. It’s not the only reason why eSports does so well. I should have mentioned the fact that you’re comparing console gaming to PC gaming in a number of areas. Most of the people who throw events don’t make any money, they even lose money throwing these events. The mentality of the FGC is set in such a way that no one can ever make money throwing events because it’s frowned upon by the community. Despite that, a good reason why the FGC needs eSports is the fact that they are mostly PC gaming.
PC gaming has a lot to offer in terms of sponsors coming in and supporting these big events. That’s because there are more to offer PC gamers than say Console gamers. To play a fighting game, you only really need your console, your weapon of choice and a game. That’s it. You’re done for the year in terms of spending unless a new game comes out. You don’t need the next-gen chipsets, the hot new video cards, the stupid looking glasses that make you see in the dark and so on.
Sponsors–money help keep everything moving in the right direction in terms of growth on top of the millions of consumers who eat it all up for lunch. Bigger events can happen with bigger prize pools regardless of the amount of entries at MLG, IPL and whatever. It’s mostly all paid for, the pros have more opportunities available to them and the fans get their fix. The FGC has it rough because even with the numbers, there is just not enough for people to invest money into the scene because there is not a lot of money to be made from the scene. Hence all the tshirt vending, raffles and whatnot just to get by in the sport.
So, yes, you can keep going the same direction you’ve been going, but don’t expect it to grow without a good flow of money coming into the scene. It’s just my opinion it’s better to leech off another scene where there is money coming into it where the FGC can continue to grow even more than before.
Marvel Licensing.
People who lose tournaments don’t care about that, just the pros.
Then they get mad when pros don’t go to their grassroots tournaments.
Open pandora’s box.
Do they? Where are your examples about this.
A smaller tournament might have people more pissed off if at the last second a top player asks for flight & hotel (“Its too late to ask my sponsors”), maybe already knowing he has a great chance at this pot bonus he saw that enticed him to want to go. And said player might get the red carpet treatment, then still crap on everybody “Your scene is so free I’m so good” & burn bridges.
FChamp usually tries to go to smaller tournaments around NorCal. Usually whenever the bills are coming up and he needs the money.
I’ve seen a groupie man of that player crap on a scene like that. It wasn’t FPChamp saying it himself but it still sucks to see that kind of instigating. Maybe that guy was his roommate?!
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