Interstellar (from the director of The Dark Knight Trilogy & Inception)

[chadouken]

That movie just blew my fucking mind. I gotta let this one sink in for a while. Holy shit.

[Ki_Shima]

Lol I need to watch this film today

[caliagent_3]

Saw this movie, it was really good.

So being a scientist I have a couple of gripes about the movie, but overall the scientific concepts presented are based on real world science. What I’m curious about is how this movie will come across to the masses who don’t know some of the basic scientific concepts they talk about in the movie.

[Ki_Shima]

so…

who wants to go first?

[makmak]

I’ll be staying away from this thread for awhile since I can only watch it next week :’(

[Ki_Shima]

ok im gonna leave this here, hopefully it will get the ball rolling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGCtMKthRh4

[regulate]

Saw it last night in dat imax. Loved it. Day one blu-ray combo steelbook buy. The emotionality, the suspense, the score… soo gooood.

I do have one question:

Spoiler

Once cooper goes inside the black hole, tars and him conclude that the 5D “aliens” are humans. So would that mean that Plan B worked on the planet that wasnt Mann’s? I guess my question is, which timeline do the 5d aliens come from? stoopid relativity…

[Ki_Shima]

Saw it last night in dat imax. Loved it. Day one blu-ray combo steelbook buy. The emotionality, the suspense, the score… soo gooood.

I do have one question:

Spoiler

Once cooper goes inside the black hole, tars and him conclude that the 5D “aliens” are humans. So would that mean that Plan B worked on the planet that wasnt Mann’s? I guess my question is, which timeline do the 5d aliens come from? stoopid relativity…

Spoiler

there’s no aliens. “they” is actually Us! gravity being the key to human connectedness, and information “knowledge/books” being the doorway to connecting between dimensions. think of the search for an earth like planet being an indicator to how connected we as human beings are to our planet in all of its smallest and largest details. which is why its actually more difficult to find an earthlike planet that is able to retain our current form not to mention consciousness

[regulate]

Saw it last night in dat imax. Loved it. Day one blu-ray combo steelbook buy. The emotionality, the suspense, the score… soo gooood.

I do have one question:

Spoiler

Once cooper goes inside the black hole, tars and him conclude that the 5D “aliens” are humans. So would that mean that Plan B worked on the planet that wasnt Mann’s? I guess my question is, which timeline do the 5d aliens come from? stoopid relativity…

Spoiler

there’s no aliens. “they” is actually Us! gravity being the key to human connectedness, and information “knowledge/books” being the doorway to connecting between dimensions. think of the search for an earth like planet being an indicator to how connected we as human beings are to our planet in all of its smallest and largest details. which is why its actually more difficult to find an earthlike planet that is able to retain our current form not to mention consciousness

[details=Spoiler] I know it was us, but what i am saying is that if plan a failed, then the 5d beings are the “us” from plan b, right? because had cooper not sent the information accross with the help of the 5d us, then earth humans die. and who knows how it would have played out with mann taking over the mission.
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[Ki_Shima]

Saw it last night in dat imax. Loved it. Day one blu-ray combo steelbook buy. The emotionality, the suspense, the score… soo gooood.

I do have one question:

Spoiler

Once cooper goes inside the black hole, tars and him conclude that the 5D “aliens” are humans. So would that mean that Plan B worked on the planet that wasnt Mann’s? I guess my question is, which timeline do the 5d aliens come from? stoopid relativity…

Spoiler

there’s no aliens. “they” is actually Us! gravity being the key to human connectedness, and information “knowledge/books” being the doorway to connecting between dimensions. think of the search for an earth like planet being an indicator to how connected we as human beings are to our planet in all of its smallest and largest details. which is why its actually more difficult to find an earthlike planet that is able to retain our current form not to mention consciousness

[details=Spoiler] I know it was us, but what i am saying is that if plan a failed, then the 5d beings are the “us” from plan b, right? because had cooper not sent the information accross with the help of the 5d us, then earth humans die. and who knows how it would have played out with mann taking over the mission.
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there is no plan A. remember? murphy realised professor brand had gave up years ago and decided to use the scenario as a way to get people to follow the mission instead of backing out in favor of staying with their loved ones. prof brand realised he wouldn’t be able to figure it out no matter what he did but carried on for the sake of the continuation of the human race. and plan B was almost hopeless because all of their calculations were at the cusp of probability. that’s why the last hope was to fall into the black hole

further explanation about 5th dimension

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also thought it was important to point out, there are no time travelling humans. the only one to do this is cooper, and even though murph was highly respected in the future they didn’t believe the concept that her father became a fifth dimensional being. the 5th dimension is the connectedness between all human beings

[regulate]

Saw it last night in dat imax. Loved it. Day one blu-ray combo steelbook buy. The emotionality, the suspense, the score… soo gooood.

I do have one question:

Spoiler

Once cooper goes inside the black hole, tars and him conclude that the 5D “aliens” are humans. So would that mean that Plan B worked on the planet that wasnt Mann’s? I guess my question is, which timeline do the 5d aliens come from? stoopid relativity…

Spoiler

there’s no aliens. “they” is actually Us! gravity being the key to human connectedness, and information “knowledge/books” being the doorway to connecting between dimensions. think of the search for an earth like planet being an indicator to how connected we as human beings are to our planet in all of its smallest and largest details. which is why its actually more difficult to find an earthlike planet that is able to retain our current form not to mention consciousness

[details=Spoiler] I know it was us, but what i am saying is that if plan a failed, then the 5d beings are the “us” from plan b, right? because had cooper not sent the information accross with the help of the 5d us, then earth humans die. and who knows how it would have played out with mann taking over the mission.
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there is no plan A. remember? murphy realised professor brand had gave up years ago and decided to use the scenario as a way to get people to follow the mission instead of backing out in favor of staying with their loved ones. prof brand realised he wouldn’t be able to figure it out no matter what he did but carried on for the sake of the continuation of the human race. and plan B was almost hopeless because all of their calculations were at the cusp of probability. that’s why the last hope was to fall into the black hole

[details=Spoiler]
but humanity had to survive to to evolve into 5d beings. so i guess that plan b worked in order for plan a to work. that is if the 5d aliens really were evolved humans. in retrospect that part of the movie was more like a dues ex machina scenario. [/details]

[Don_Barracuda]

I keep clicking this thread whenever I get notified of new posts without realizing, I appreciate you guys using spoilers lol.

[NickRocks]

Do they mention the voyager sattellite at all? Cause it just reached the interstellar last month

[Ki_Shima]

Saw it last night in dat imax. Loved it. Day one blu-ray combo steelbook buy. The emotionality, the suspense, the score… soo gooood.

I do have one question:

Spoiler

Once cooper goes inside the black hole, tars and him conclude that the 5D “aliens” are humans. So would that mean that Plan B worked on the planet that wasnt Mann’s? I guess my question is, which timeline do the 5d aliens come from? stoopid relativity…

Spoiler

there’s no aliens. “they” is actually Us! gravity being the key to human connectedness, and information “knowledge/books” being the doorway to connecting between dimensions. think of the search for an earth like planet being an indicator to how connected we as human beings are to our planet in all of its smallest and largest details. which is why its actually more difficult to find an earthlike planet that is able to retain our current form not to mention consciousness

[details=Spoiler] I know it was us, but what i am saying is that if plan a failed, then the 5d beings are the “us” from plan b, right? because had cooper not sent the information accross with the help of the 5d us, then earth humans die. and who knows how it would have played out with mann taking over the mission.
[/details]

Spoiler

there is no plan A. remember? murphy realised professor brand had gave up years ago and decided to use the scenario as a way to get people to follow the mission instead of backing out in favor of staying with their loved ones. prof brand realised he wouldn’t be able to figure it out no matter what he did but carried on for the sake of the continuation of the human race. and plan B was almost hopeless because all of their calculations were at the cusp of probability. that’s why the last hope was to fall into the black hole

[details=Spoiler]
but humanity had to survive to to evolve into 5d beings. so i guess that plan b worked in order for plan a to work. that is if the 5d aliens really were evolved humans. in retrospect that part of the movie was more like a dues ex machina scenario. [/details]

[details=Spoiler]nope, the humans who were meant to be born on a new planet are still in cryostasis. brand has just landed and is waiting on the other planet which is why cooper left the colony space station in the future to go rescue her with the new tech spaceship. the 5th dimension isn’t new, it exists now and is the thing that connects all human beings. cooper is the first to traverse it with the help of the connection between him and his daughter.

they keep talking about the human will to survive giving us the ability to go against all odds. well imagine the whole worlds connected will working against all odds and guiding us to find the secrets of the universe in order to survive. (this goes deeper but lets leave that till later lolz) [/details]

[hubcapsignstop]

faith sometimes requires a willing suspension of disbelief, but the same requirement is necessary for the progression of science (in honest skepticism). I never made this connection before seeing this movie
which I thought was awesome (perhaps made better while employing a healthy dose of said requirement - full circle hahaa)

[regulate]

Do they mention the voyager sattellite at all? Cause it just reached the interstellar last month

Spoiler

no

[Ki_Shima]

Saw this movie, it was really good.

So being a scientist I have a couple of gripes about the movie, but overall the scientific concepts presented are based on real world science. What I’m curious about is how this movie will come across to the masses who don’t know some of the basic scientific concepts they talk about in the movie.

scientific inaccuracies debated on youtube

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xponen10 hours ago (edited)

+27kdon there are a lot of things that the reviewer miss.
Warning, Spoiler:

"… defunded NASA somehow has the capability of launching dozens of crewed ships "

• at school Cooper complain why his kid can’t go to university & where is the government money is going.

" … underground silo that is literally right next to its work offices"

• its not at NASA Florida, its at NORAD. (in the mountain!)

" … It wasn’t clear why the ships had to have a crew as opposed to being robotic,"

• Cooper & other character repeatedly say: “robot can’t adapt” (same reason given by scientist today on why human spaceflight mission is good)

“… and the idea that only low-bandwidth data could be sent back”

• the message is carried by a probe orbiting the wormhole in & out like yo-yo. (like a mail courier)

“…To get that kind of time dilation …you need to be just over the surface of the black hole,”

• the crew said it is special “gentle” blackhole. (physicist Kip Thorne produced this movie, I guess it have reason, maybe its spinning).

“…There would be huge tidal … but they (shouldn’t) move”

• so if the planet rotate then that tidal will stay up at that place like some stick?? (sound silly… surely a thing that massive will have momentum and keep moving)

Other stuff I don’t know:

• no mention of sunlight for planets in the movie
• no mention of how hot is near blackhole for Endurance & Ranger spaceship to survive.
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27kdon10 hours ago

Thank-you for pointing these out. But there are still some issues I cannot reconcile.
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Spoiler alert:

1. This is a good point you raise. However, the construction and launch of 12 manned space exploration flights would still be astronomical; in the light of the crises that the earth purportedly faced in the movie, I highly doubt they had the physical resources to spare with the creation, maintenance and equipment of the crafts.

2. An underground silo containing rockets with comparable size to Saturn Vs, would exert such earth-shattering forces throughout the area during launch that it is careless to build offices or any such buildings nearby.

3. Artificial intelligence today is already at the precipice of achieving adaptability. In the near future (decades not centuries), we would achieve highly advanced programs that are capable of adapting to various situations. And in the further future, AI would achieve near-sentience. Furthermore, robotic space travel is much more cost-effective, safe and less likely to end in the loss of precious human life. As a result, they could have sent many many more missions to investigate more thoroughly. Much like how our rudimentary robots (Curiosity, Opportunity, Spirit) have told us there is liquid water on mars, given us detailed data on soil and air composition, and much more.

4. Perhaps you misunderstood Dr. Plait’s comment here; low-bandwidth data is restricted to carrying very low quantities of information - it might have been capable of transmitting high-bandwidth data using the yoyo-technique as you said.

5. Kip Thorne’s involvement in the movie appears to be limited to the accurate depiction of the wormholes and the black hole in the movie; he derived mathematical functions necessary to produce this accurate visual representation of how light is warped by a blackhole, and of how it would appear to travel in a wormhole. His 2 subsequent papers as a result of his study details his efforts.

I believe you contradict yourself in this point; if the blackhole were spinning slower, then the time dilation effect would only be lesser not greater. Regardless, as the article mentions, time dilation would still only be significant closer to the event horizon. They would have to be skipping on the edge, not on an orbiting planet that would have to be millions of kilometres away.

6. If the waves were a result of the blackhole’s gravitational pull, it seems to exert a significant pull on the planet, to the point that the planet itself would be tidally locked to the blackhole - much like how mercury is currently locked with one face constantly facing the sun. Hence, the wave would remain in one place.
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TheScienceofnature4 hours ago

+27kdon In terms of the points you make regarding technological capabilities, i think perhaps you under estimate the power of the vastness of space and how easily robots that are not capable of inventing solutions or imagining scenarios, could deal with unforeseen circumstances. For that reason technology cannot do the work the humans have done. Furthermore, the reality of the scenario in the movie states that technology is at the stage indicated in the movie. To invent something outside of that scenario is to disregard the movie altogether. Might as well go and watch another movie.

The point you make regarding whether people in the future are exceptionally dumb not to notice massive space projects, i think that is exactly what the movie was communicating. The idea that disciplines such as engineering and science were discouraged for farming and that NASA was an outlawed organization. People were in fact dumbed down in order to get them to work for a project which would ultimately not do any good for them. This very point was raised in the movie. They could have directed massive resources and efforts into space projects to give humanity a better chance of survival, but that would have ultimately caused “Plan B” to fail in light of the realization that humanity was doomed and that there was no way to save everyone because the answer to the problem lay in looking into the singularity, impossible for people to research.

As for the tidal waves, i did not find any information in the movie which would indicate that the massive waves on the planet were caused by the black whole. In fact i don’t even know the location and proximity of the planets to the black whole, i was bombarded with so much information, i have to watch the film again to take it all in for assessment i am still looking for explanations and some information in regards to the nature and geography of the planets shown in the film. If you have any sources, i would appreciate it if you could share the link.

In terms of the time-lapse, i think not only the theme is central to the story telling in the film, but its also an interesting concept. I would forgive the directer for including this in his film for the sole purpose of entertainment than scientific accuracy. You are after all watching a movie and for the purpose of not mistaking the project for a documentary, an element of fantasy will have to be included. Having said that, there is no evidence to suggest that time in the universe is constant given the vastness of it all. An object traveling behind a black whole would have to have a different time scale with light particles flowing around it at a different speed as opposed to an object that is farthest from a black whole.
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HalfLucan1 hour ago

If tidal waves were the thing that pulled you out of the movie, i think there are other factors that contributed to your disappointment rather than just the plot holes themselves.

haven’t read through them all but will have a look soon

btw [details=Spoiler]I think its important to point out that this films starting point seems to take place anywhere between 15+ to 30+ years in the future[/details]

[MCP]

ok im gonna leave this here, hopefully it will get the ball rolling

Oh yea, that was neat, the quantum mechanics on a macro level.
I read about that some time ago, was so cool!

I spent some time to find the most succinct and visually pleasing explanation of 4D entities and 4D objects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x60xZe0Si0

[MCP]

As far as the movie plot,

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Ok cool. I missed that point about how humans must be the ones who made the worm hole and who put Cooper and TARS into the 3D visualization of the 4th dimension, saving them from the event horizon.

I have been wondering what happened to “Plan B” (lol emergency contraception, I doubt that was on purpose)

So I guess the idea might be Cooper went to Plan B and taught them about being a 5th dimensional being.
Plan B humans then go on to open that wormhole and save Cooper+TARS for themselves to exist?

[regulate]

HUGE SPOILER ALERT

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https://38.media.tumblr.com/c2291ceade0bc9dc94634e8b99ccb665/tumblr_nesg7n8XKB1qkloy5o1_1280.jpg

pss

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i guess i was right about plan b working