You’ve never once read a single Animal Man comic have you
Those comparisons are stupid. Characters looks mean nothing.
No one has a ceiling. You put too much importance on a character’s mainstream status which shouldn’t matter in a game like this. They focus on characters that can work for this not factoring in if lil jimmy knows who there are or not.
I haven’t read any of the new 52, I like the concept, but at the same time it seems really dumb.
I hope its not like Ultimate Marvel where they completely change back stories and make the characters more realistic and uninteresting.
I just want Black Adam or Captain Marvel in this game, and if Cap is in this game he better turn back into Billy for his win animation.
The Animal man debate wasn’t really about weather he could be in this game or not, you were saying he could be a big mainstream character and I disagreed.
I’ve said like 6 pages ago I don’t mind him being in the game keep up.
And yes many characters have a ceiling were they just can’t appeal enough to the majority of people and I believe Animal-man is one of those. Character looks are extremely important and until you accept that you can’t really look at what I’m trying to say properly.
Shit you can’t even give Wonder Woman pants without people freaking out.
A ceiling is only there if you think there is one. Every character has a time when it’s possible for them to blow up. In the golden age of comics Captain Marvel frequently outsold and more popular than Superman. He was the first hero adapted to film. DC’s infringement lawsuit against Fawcett, the decline of superhero comics in the late 40s and Fawcett shutting their comic division meant Captain Marvel was done. Swamp Thing had a decent run in the 80s with two movies (first directed by Wes Craven), a tv show, a cartoon, toys, card board and all the other merchandizing crap that common at the time. He eventually faded back into obscurity as most things intended for a mature audience that gain popularity and gets turned into family friendly crap because of it. Robocop can vouch for him.
Can a character like Animal Man blow up in this decade? Maybe. If trends shift for a character like him can become popular it will happen. For now he’s enjoying some great success in his source medium.
Let me save you the suspense…he won’t blow up this decade. You deal with too many if’s when I’m talking about the likelihood is extremely low.
He has a good book now but so has a shitload of other characters that become irrelevant quickly after and doesn’t solve his problems that will get always hold him back. Nobody is gonna want to invest big money in Animal-Man when they could have a Beast Boy show, or a Flash show.
Every character doesn’t have a real shot and Animal-man is one of them, and there is very much a ceiling. Whether you choose to believe in it is irrelevant because it’s not going anywhere. I still think if given the chance Vixen could appeal to more people and catch on.
I don’t think we’ll agree on this so let’s just stop here because we are going in circles.
Other than saying he has a horrible costume and lame name you never went into what makes him a bland character. You got anything more than that?
Yes, yes and more yes
They did try a flash show in the 90’s, honestly would have worked better animated, or at least less dark. Would love them to try again.
Though beast boy is more popular, he should never get a solo show over animal man. Why? He always works in teams, if he is in a show it should be a titans show or doom patrol. He really doesn’t have much to draw on outside of his history in groups(were all his villains and rivalries come from) Animal man may not be as popular but he would have a much easier time sustaining a show, as he has a richer solo history to draw from. Actually he would be one of the easier heroes to implement, his powers don’t require too much cg and his storylines could work really well in television.
I’m not going to argue whether popularity should give tv rights or not (not sure which way it should be, i prefer a balance), but just want to point out, many characters became popular due to media appearances. Blade was practically no name before his movie came out. Obscure characters can really benefit from exposure. Look at Shuma Gorath, he may have been part of a classic strange storyline, but Capcom may in fact be the reason he is still being used. Also the reason so many casual comic fans were pissed about blackheart in the ghostrider movie, because they played those games and they know blackheart is awesome. Pushing rocket raccoon is having the same effect, more regular people know him now because of his appearences in other media. People are already buying the game for the big names, they can really benefit from following marvel’s philosophy and using the chance for free advertisement.
Okay but that’s not what I’m saying at all. No duh obscure charactrs can benefit from a shot but what is the likelihood of that happening to animal man? Very little imo because they have characters like Beast Boy who can do similar storylines.
They could easily write how he’s trying to mature and breakout on his own and that he’s stuggling with becoming his own man and leaving most of his friends behind. They could do storyline where villains don’t take him seriously without a team behind him and BB overcoming his insecurities with himself as a solo hero that teens would eat up.
The fact he has been on so many teams is an advantage because you have a huge pool of supporting characters to pick from like Raven, Terra, Nightwing, Cyborg who DC is also trying to push so I look at that as positive.
I tend to judge who should get a show based on their changes of sucess and I feel BB’s is higher.
You don’t know jack about Animal Man if you think Beast Boy can do similar stories. Animal Man has a much of a shot any other obscure character on DC’s long list of characters.
Characters who’s histories are closely tied to teams have a extremely hard time breaking out as solo characters. Beast Boy’s character history is closed tied to the Titans and Doom Patrol. It doesn’t help that the character tends to hop from team to team when things go bad on a personal level and only had a handful of solo stories to his name.
Beast Boy doing similar stories to Animal Man would totally change the character, as would having him do a solo series, he is a team guy. Odds of him being in a titans series, very high (as proven by him already being in one), odds of a solo series, very low, there are just too many characters who have already proven themselves capable of holding a solo comic that could be used before him. Nothing bad about it, some people just work best with teams.Maybe a good solo run for beastboy (maybe using some of those plot points you mentioned) in comic form would change my mind. Animal Man has proven capable of supporting a solo book, and as I was trying to point out (unsuccessfully I gather) with my examples, people will pull behind characters that are obscure, it just has to be entertaining. Once they do that they can end up just as popular as anyone else. Heck, though he was popular among titans fans, the general public had no idea who beast boy was until the titans show premiered.
And what would be the point of using all those supporting characters, at that point they might as well just make a titans show. Which would be a heck of a lot likely to be a success than animal man I admit.
For this game though ya Beast Boy has a pretty good chance. Just don’t feel he would be right for a tv series.
Honestly any of these animal characters(Animal Man, Vixen, Beast Boy) would be lame in this game.
This game needs some class.
I still can’t find a way to argue with that choice. He’s a gentleman, hes a ghost, what’s not to like.
I like how you guys forget that DC has no problem with changing characters just to appeal to the masses or get them over. Didn’t they just change an established character’s sexuality not to long ago or did you forget? They changed Wonder Woman’s origin completely and a bunch of other things about her life to make her more relateable and she’s far more sacred.
Beast Boy becoming more mature and going solo is just as likely(even more so) as the changes they have done to those characters to make them more popular. The fact you guys think they wouldn’t is hilarious given recent events but yeah I’d like to see Beast Boy become Beast Man finally.
Beast Boy already has some crazy powers that could make him a very believable solo hero anyway, more believable than someone like Huntress who recently had her own book.
I already said it’s a toss up between Beast Boy, Vixen, or Animal Man for who gets in the game. BB has the advantage of being more known but Vixen and Animal-Man don’t have to shapeshift which makes them easier to put in so it’s really a pick’em.
I also want to say that while I agree on people wanting to get behind an underdog character the problem with that is studios and TV network don’t wanna hear that shit and would rather go with a similar more known character or just a different more known character because alot of channels hate taking risks like that.
As they say, the hardest part is getting your foot through the door.
We were talking about tv shows, dc sticks with the status quo for the most part with those. They have already made their arbitrary change to beast boy by making him red, but he is still on a team, so that is about as far as they have gone to change beastboy at this point. Making him go solo would be a bigger change for Beast Boy than any of those examples, as the general tone of those stories are still the same (I mean Alan Scott isn’t having sex with men every issue, he is still leading the jsa, wonderwoman is still heavily involved with her mythology etc.) Plus he would probably go with changeling over beast man.
Batman laughs at the idea that having powers makes a more believable solo book.
I agree with you assessment of their chances for the game though, spot on there.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on the other points again though.
No I meant powers makes for a more realistic TV series especially if they do it with real actors which DC seems to be a fan of doing lately.
Again I’m not saying they became different characters I said they were given changes to make them more popular which would be the same for BB. Cyborg was given a bunch of new broken abilities he didnt have or just never used in the new Justice league book but he’s the same character but with tweaks to make him more popular because he’s a JL member now.
I could see the same happening with BB, they give him small tweaks so everything fits(wanting to grow up/slightly more adult version) but generally same character.
Yeah this argument was never about the game which is why I keep trying to end it lol, it was about Booster Gold peaking in my eyes and me not thinking Animal-Man could be a star. I agree we won’t fully agree on this tho so let’s just stop unless you have another character we can debate on 
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I don’t get this point. Maybe you can expand. I mean green arrow is getting a tv series. And on their various other media many other non-powered dc characters have shined. I don’t see how he is keeping them down.
I could but I wont. I’m tired and don’t feel like getting into that really because it’s not really important or relevant anymore. Basically I felt for a long time that Batman was the only non powered character getting real shine but times are changing and I can’t make that argument anymore now that Cap has a movie and DC at least tried to get Green Arrow a show.
I guess old feeling just popped up for a sec IDK. Batman is awesome( my fav hero) but I feel like he gets all the best human based hero stories sometimes. The Bat’s shadow is huge imo.
I really just want comic-con to come around so we can stop stalling and get real discussion about the game.
Actually that answered it pretty well, and fair enough. I also can’t wait for comic-con, I honestly look forward to it more than e3.