I’d say grundy,harley and nightwing are as far as appeal in geek culture. Grundy is also featured a lot in parodies of the super friends and harely did make a big impact with the BAS…cyborg and ollie I could see not being A-listers but with the new CW show I could seen arrow’s appeal start to improve.
Harley and Nightwing are the only A listers from that list. No one remembers grundy from most apperrences because he’s usually not used well in animated shows.
Arrows and Cyborg are both B listers but will both be A listers soon because of Arrows new show which is looking like it’s gonna get a second season. While Cyborg is now in the Justice League main book and the teen titans cartoon is coming back which is gonna help his profile in a huge aay just like it did the first time.
So yeah Grundy could use all the help he can get because he’s rarely used well sadly. Grudy should used like evil Hulk imo, he’d be much scarier instead of the dumb jubbernaut gimmick he’s getting stuck with so much.
Whoa whoa, Nightwing is DEFINITELY A-List. There shouldn’t even be a debate on that point.
Depends on how you’re looking at it.
From the perspective of a casual guy who doesn’t understand the concept, then yes Nightwing is an A-Lister, because he was featured in many shows and many people know him because of his rich backstory.
But if you pay attention and think about it for a second … Nightwing is not an A-Lister. He is on the B-List. Why? Because there is nothing monumental about him and keep in mind that he is my third favorite comic character, so I’m not trying to trash him down. I’m just being realistic.
Nightwing was always only a support character. He was always supporting Batman and that’s why people know him. When he got his own gigs, he had to share already existing characters from the Batverse. You didn’t see a bunch load of new villains and characters which managed to get a name for themselves as well.
He had to deal with Robin, with Red Hood, with Catwoman, Huntress and so on.
A-Listers are really the BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG names in the world of comics. Characters who built entire universes like Superman and Batman did. They spawned a shit load of villains and heroes who surround them.
The possibility is far higher that you would have characters like that in the game, rather than someone like Nightwing, who simply does not have the name to back it up. Luckily NRS is giving the lessern known guys a chance as well and we see even guys like Solomon Grundy on the list.
Well in that case it’s not even fair. There will never be any A-List that isn’t the Big 7 and their main foes in DC.
That criteria seems more in line with what would define a iconic character as opposed to a A-lister. Under that definition we would have less then 10 overall characters in all of comics who are A-listers. I was always under the assumption that a A-list character was someone with massive popularity in and out of comics. That seems to be the general defining guideline I get when defining a A-lister, which is why wolverine was always considered a marvel A-lister well before his movie incarnation.
And that’s the reason why I personally don’t like the DC Comics.
You have the big 7 and Batman for example is one of them. Then you have over 6 different Robins, and some Batgirls, who don’t do much differently.
You have Superman and his entire Superfamily. You have 20 million different Green Lanterns and hell, there are even few people who shoot arrows.
DC: “Never change a winning system” … and somehow that system does work. Maybe most of the comic readers simply don’t expect more from the comics and that’s a pity, but yeah … turns out it’s actually quite a nice thing for this game, because it makes it easier to pick the roster.
I’m far more of a Marvel guy. Imagine they would make a Marvel fighting game with only 24-32 characters.
Man, everyone would miss their favorite characters, because Marvel has so much more to offer, when it comes to character variety. I could come up with 70 different Marvel characters, who would all play differently, while I would have some major problems doing the same for a DC fighter, since the character variety / focus on specific characters is simply not there.
Wolverine was always an A-Lister, because he has a ridiculously large fan-base, even though I don’t quite understand that, because he is a small guy, who primarily has the power to grow body-hair.
Additionally to that there were basically times where he was on every possible superhero-team out there, so people came across him, no matter if they wanted it or not.
There was a huge backlash on him for this, people got tired of marvel wanking him as the golden boy of the company.
I’m talking in general, not geeks or casual fans.
If you asked people what the names of those characters were after showing them pictures few would get most of them right immediately.
A-Listers are the ones that almost everyone knows, the ones that have an actual impact on culture besides appearing in a couple of shows or a videogame.
Knife hands.
If you think Nightwing is an A-Lister you’re crazy.
He’s only had minor appearances on a few shows and games and most people don’t even know there is more than one Robin.
Even then, if you read comics he’s still a high B at best, you know who he is but he isn’t crazy powerful or popular(though he definitely does have a lot of fans).
He’s A-List if you count him as both Robin and Nightwing though.
The only real DC A-lists are Supes, BM, and WW.
Nightwing is easily on the level of a Lantern at this point though.
Cultural impact would be iconic though IMO. I think cultural figures vs A-lister are 2 different things. I think A-listers are characters who have massive appeal in their own medium and popularity to the casual masses. Just my 2 cents on it of course, but I think harley and dick are very much A-list characters.
Well how about we for sure define and hash out the definition of A-List before putting anyone there short of Supes and Bats?
Heading their own longterm series(es) would be a good definition, imo.
So, Supes, BM, WW, GL, etc.
And arguably primary antagonists, like Joker and Lex
Nightwing is an edge case, very prominent character and important in the world, but not heading a ‘family’ of titles like the other big guys.
Nightwing was the 1st comic character to grow up and completely redefine his look and personality and in a way inspired the whole"growing out of being a sidekick"motif. Every major comic book documentary always sights the progression of dick to nightwing as a major event in comics so I think that’s why I’d consider him A-list.
Being part of a major event doesn’t make you an A-Lister.
By A-List I mean a combination of popularity, cultural impact, and how iconic the character is.
Nightwing is a B-lister at best.
That doesn’t make him bad, unimportant, or disliked.
I don’t know what the hell iconic means that a-list doesn’t, but Nightwing is by no means A or even B list. A list is the A list, the people everyone knows, collector or casual, and you could recognize at a glance. Nightwing will never be A list if that’s what Batman is. Bat Girl is closer to A list than Nightwing and she sure as hell ain’t A list either.
Batgirl? I dunno.
Dick at least has the benefit of being a massively significant and important character within the comics. The only remotely significant batgirl has been retired for like 20 years.
I guess dick’s numerous appearances in media outside comics means nothing…and again going by that definition of A-list that means less 10 characters in all of comics are A-listers. In fact i’d say only around 5 characters are true A-listers but meh, we will just have to agree to disagree on who is a A-lister.
It gets funny because he’s no-question A-list as Robin (he’s THE robin to most of the world), but he’s less prominent as his own hero ><