The NY Times does not allow everybody to write there. SRK can do the same in their forums.
Cool private parties do not invite everybody in. Evo can do the same.
Physical threats are a true menace to the community. You can launch a free forum just for it if you want to. The constitution (and some nice people on the Internet) allows it. You just can’t do whatever you want at SRK or Evo. You act like they’re the government or a public service. If I don’t want you at my house, even if it is because I’m an ignorant bastard and I don’t like your race, you’re not getting in. That’s not censorship. That’s my freaking house!
You still can say whatever you want in the streets of Canada and in the streets of USA. You just can’t enter EVO if you’re threatening people, in the same way you can’t get out of jail if you killed somebody. They are still treating everybody equally.
And let’s be reasonable here. I don’t remember exactly what Ponder wrote, but you know as well as we do that he is not banning some random player because he promised to destroy Yipes’ Storm or something like that…
To keep it short, what DP does is OK. What Mike Chaos does is not.
You’re going to lose this one. Call me unfair. Doesn’t matter to me. Things have gone way beyond shit-talking in some instances, and it’s not just about one person. Evo is going to remain a place where everyone can feel safe and play a lot of video games. Period.
Threatening harm against someone or brow-beating them to the point where they feel that they are about to be harmed is not freedom of speech as you claim. It’s assault.
Nagata, you’re way off here. The Cannons can do whatever they want, and they should be applauded for this. No one’s censoring anyone, threaten people all you want. Just be aware that you won’t be welcome to Evo events if you pull this nonsense. How is this remotely a bad thing?
I agree with the Evo Staff on this one. It is not a matter of censorship its a matter of protecting the players. Ya we are all over 18 here but imagine a little kid being threatened over playing a game they love? WTF!..that type of ish is just wrong…even if its two grown people its wrong, morally and legally, to create that type of atmosphere…this is not even including sponsorships in the mix which Nagatalock if you know anything about you would understand…this is not some small local ish when “what happens here stays here” this is Evolution…this thousands of dollars, sponsored, MAJOR event…you have press, sponsors, everything you can think of…do you want it ruined by some Perps who try to act big and bad for their Peeps to not call them wussies no…
Thats my opinion on it…then again I have dealt with this type of situation before…hell I used to do WCG lol
You seem to miss the point that obviously certain people CANT behave in public, this is why laws are necessary. Blame the few I guess for limiting your supposed right to shit talk bordering on violence:rolleyes:
Look at ANY legitimate competitive scene(poker, magic, pro sports, w/e) and they ALL have rules regarding conduct, its not a bad thing that ours follows suit.
It may take a while to get it through your head, but freedom of speech(which is essentially your argument) does NOT apply to a private function, is there something so hard to understand about that? Shit has gone too far, pretty sure any rational person can see that, I mean ffs there are KIDS at evo with there parents, they shouldn’t have to avoid a couple of guys yelling “ILL RAPE YOU, ILL POUR GAS ON YOUR FUCKIN MOTHER AND LIGHT THE MATCH YOU SECOND RATE LITTLE BITCH CUNT!!!” or the like. They shouldn’t have to worry about guys carrying guns/knives at the tournament. Cannons making an open ended “no more bullshit” rule is a good step.
EDIT: Alexstrife no way is everyone over 18 at evo
Hell, just to add to what you said here, in the big poker tournies, they DO NOT allow anyone to use any bad language at the tables. Use it once, you get a penalty, use it again, you’re out for good. We should be glad this isn’t an Evo rule.
Alexstrife, I saw kids around Evo, and plenty of people under 18.
Jaha, Shin-Retendo and maybe Josh Wigfall should be hired as security guards for 2008 :razzy:
Although I totally agree with what was said in the first post, I don’t think we can use “It’s just a game” to talk about FGs anymore, people are playing for hundreds/thousands of US $. I know I’m exaggerating, but who would have thought that Andres Escobar would get shot for accidentally scoring a goal against his team while soccer “is just a game”?
Just curious for some random reason, but where is the line drawn for e-thuggery? Is it just talking shit in general, or does it get more specific than that? For example, does talking shit about someone’s game/skill (or lack thereof) count as e-thuggery, or does straight up threats/personal attacks count as e-thuggery? Or maybe both?
I personally don’t see the problem of talking trash about someone’s ability to play and calling them out to back it up in a hype money match; after all, the community is about the HYPE, not the HATE. However, when it crosses the line to personal attacks/physical threats of violence or something similar I can agree with Evo staff on that point.
Talking trash is fine by me, but keep that shit IN THE GAME. Any time anyone takes it outside that level should warrant a ban if staff deems it appropriate. I suppose that’s what Evo staff is going for, rather than a hard “zero trash talking 100% of the time” extreme.
Correct me if I’m wrong? I’m curious about if there’s strict lines that should not be crossed or if there are gray areas.
Well because of the potential severity of the punishment for some things, one would have to at least trust that they would be very careful about how they use it.
I’m thinking as long as your talking about the game, and not the person, then you’re okay. If you are hyping a money match saying “X” players team can’t hang with my team in a money match, you’re cool. No harm, no foul, but when you start talking about bringing weapons, bringing backup/friends/etc to do anything that can be thought of as stuff that’s going to happen outside the game, then you’d be in trouble.
In matters that were less than outright intimidation, but where walking the line, I’m sure you’d get warned before the ban happened. I mean that’s a potentially very harsh ban to get absolutely no warning about, so I would assume you’d be made aware a good deal before the ban happened.
In all honesty there’s so many ways all of this can be interpreted. Will each person be held to the same interpretation of the rule?
Example:
I constantly say “Son, i’ll cut you”, or “I’ll gut you like a fish and bathe in your blood” or any sort of extreme thing that it’s plainly obvious I am just not capable of doing.
However, under these new rules to be enacted I would be KO’d from attending the Evo events even though it’s commonly known it is one of my mannerisms to show either my disappointment or frustration. But when it comes down to it nothing like that would ever happen because for the love of God I am a 5’7 female who can’t even jog around the block let alone do anything violent.
Basically what I am saying is that a lot of the times the threats of violence or anything are just how people express feelings or emotions in a joking, playful manner. Like you said, this is a video game tournament. The community is too small to be really serious about it and I think pretty much all of us realize that fact.
I think that maybe it should just be noted that if anyone is found to be threatened by something being said maybe then something should be done but honestly if no one is really being hurt by it or anything of that manner then it should just slide as it’s really just to keep things hype.
Of course, my opinion matters VERY LITTLE but I just like to add my two cents.
I’m pretty sure they’re not saying “no trash talking” it’s more they can’t have violence or threats of real violence going on, people know the difference, so use your head and Im guessing evo staff will do the same. The purpose of this isn’t to enforce to the letter and ban every person who says “IMa own your ass”, it’s to take care of the real issue which is actual fights and “Im rollin wit da shotty so stfu bitch” They didnt make it so open ended so they could ban phae…
I agree with alot of what you said. The Evo staff has the right to do what they and and if they don’t like something, tough. It’s not a bad thing or anything, like a few people said, there are kids with their parents so they don’t need any of that.
On a different note though, do you guys think they should ban alcoholic beverages as well? While I was there, I saw quite a few bottles of beer. Do you think this could actually aggravate the problem of violence and such? In my opinion, alcohol should be banned.
A lot of players go to evo and tournaments in general just to drink and make a fool of themselves, not really to play well or hope to win. I.E. that one gay guy I forgot his name.
You people who say “OMG CENSORSHIP WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN ON SHIT TALKING” are really coming off looking ignorant. Every single person in this forum should easily be able to know the line where something stops becoming about bravado and shit talking and transforms into something beyond acceptable limits. It is painfully apparent to the well adjusted normal human being what inkblot is trying to stop, as it is equally clear that if you can’t understand the difference between trash talking and threats of violence you may be one of the problems in the community.
