like i said in the other post, i wonder if it will still be possible to do the max range hk spiral (on block) + c.mp frame trap in AE
could someone try it?
I registered just to say this, its clear as day that none of you speak japanese because if you did you would realise that there are NO FUCKING NERFS TO ANY OF ROSE’S NORMALS!
The aritcle is merely introducing the hitboxes of her 2 most abusable normals for the first time! There is no goddamn nerfs to her normals so will you guys please stop crying about a fucking nerf that doesn’t exist, thank you.
She has 3 nerfs in total, all of which I’m sure you’re aware of:
u2 has no invicibility anymore
removal of super trap (who gives a shit)
soul spark builds less meter (minor nerf)
If you can’t deal with her nerfs, move on. I will continue to play her because i know that she’s still a solid character, people who rely on wake up U2 to bail themselves out the shit aren’t decent players. AE will allow the real rose players to distinguish themselves from the scrubs, bring it on.
They were changed.
Not saying nerfs, but they were changed.
No son, there are no changes. None whatsoever. They even said on the original damn blog post about her that her normals remain the same.
No changes to her normals! If you can’t read japanese, don’t even waste your time arguing with me.
super trap was awesome and I’ve hit that so many times.
Also who the fuck are you and trying to be all aggressive? Sit the fuck down.
To be fair, the images we have of her normals now could easily not be from the final version. That attitude though!
We could find a third party that can read Japanese!
I’m being aggressive because I’m tired of reading the crybaby shit on this site. No one has anything positive to say, all anyone ever does is cry about her being nerfed and to makes matters worse you’re all crying about nerfs that don’t exist. If you can’t deal with her nerfs, go away, go play yun or some other boring OP character. Crying about nerfs achieves nothing, you people are the exact reason why I rarely post on messageboards.
There was very little to report about rose, so they introduced the hitboxes to her 2 most abusable normals for the first time. There are no nerfs to her normals. None whatsoever.
Just to show how stupid some of the comments here, looks at ‘rose’ comments
"Not saying nerfs, but they were changed."
Okay, if her normals weren’t nerfed but were changed that means they must have been BUFFED! Holy shit.
I’ve given you guys the good news, no changes to her normals. Don’t believe me, go find another japanese speaker to confirm for you. I’m sure there must be a few hanging around here.
Holy shit why are we even still complaining about this? Especially with a game like SF4.
I’m not 100% fluent, but I went through the post. Here’s my attempt at a translation.
"In addition to the changes introduced in the previous blog
’Soul Spark’'s SC gauge increasing has been adjusted.
There are no changes to its hitboxes or damage.
In addition, I would like to introduce the hitboxes of Rose’s representative moves.
‘Crouching medium punch’ has a startup of 4 frames, and has a hitbox that stretches out slightly in front of her hurtbox, giving it very nice priority and combo ability.
‘Crouching medium punch’'s hitboxes
<picture>
Red rectangle … Hitbox
Green rectangle … Hurtbox
For ‘far standing medium kick’, Rose uses her scarf to raise herself slightly off the ground, removing the hitbox from her feet, thus allowing it to stuff a crouching opponent’s attacks.
‘Far standing medium kick’'s hitboxes
<picture>
Red rectangle … Hitbox
Green rectangle … Hurtbox"
Though in this blog: http://www.capcom.co.jp/blog/sf4/development_blog/2010/11/16_2815.html It says this at the end:
"General comment:
Because her high priority pokes, jump ins, solid anti-air and other basic parts are all present, the only general change is to Soul Satellite."
It sounds like they changed her normals to me. It doesn’t outright say that they changed her normals, and it also doesn’t outright say that they didn’t change them, but I don’t think they’d go into her hitboxes on 2 of her normals if there weren’t any changes, plus the pictures we have above look like they’ve been changed.
But yeah, I’m probably going to stick with Rose. Her cr.mp is BARELY smaller, and far s.mk looks like a buff to me. What’s a little range loss when it completely stuffs most crouching normals? The UC2 nerf sucks, but it’s not completely useless, neither is UC1. You also have to consider that a lot of her bad matchups got hit with the nerf hammer pretty hard, too. She’s definitely not a lost cause.
Oh, first post, by the way. Hi Rose forums. I’ve lurked you for forever without anything useful to add until today.
Thank you., Trike. Very respectful way of presenting and I like your fairly didactic tone. Welcome to the Rose forum. It’s a very small change. Like I said many times before in my many previous posts within this forum, s. mk seems like a buff, cr. strong seems like a small nerf.
It’s fine by me, won’t stop me from using Rose, and even if they were nerfed it wouldn’t have stopped me from using Rose anyway.
Haha, thank you. I’ll try and stick around. 
Yeah, considering that most of the cast got nerfed too, I don’t think Rose has it too rough in AE. Looking forward to trying out some s.mk shenanigans.
Trust me, it isn’t a small nerf. She lost her spiral loop. Granted cr. strong spiral loop pressure was kinda retarded, she wasn’t the only character with stupid ways to chip. Losing the loop means the only time you’re gonna see a loop is if it’s the hk. spiral at the tip which means it’ll be a lot easier to read and punish with any sort of reversal.
It was never a loop.
And she still has the safe spiral after cr strong, it’s pretty much the same with little difference.
You’re doing something wrong Jason .-.
I actually talked to someone who played Rose on the AE Console version (it was available at the NYU tournament), and he actually felt like her normals got better. He told me that he was still able to stuff moves with her cr. strong. Of course it can’t be confirmed until AE comes out tomorrow, but there’s definitely going to be changes that weren’t mentioned. We didn’t even know ST was buffed until the AE frame data was put up.
Because of the range and hurtbox/hitbox placement, it was essentially cr.strong spiral into cr.strong spiral into another cr.spiral. Afterwards, you can block and wait to repeat it over again. What sick is because of how far it reached and how far back the hurtboxes were, not a lot of moves had the range to trade with it. I pretty much call it a loop. Doesn’t work as well now obviously.
Oh it works the same from what I’ve tried.
I never do more than 2. I do 2, I block and whiff punish or block and then st. mk 
I can’t even do 2. I do one then the second one gets stuffed by a well timed cr. medium. I mean it still works against baddies who mistime their normals and are off by a frame or two. Not against people who know how to time their normals though =/.
Playing last night, I didn’t feel much, if anything was different. Maybe people are still relying on the same stuff right now and its possible if there were changes people don’t know enough to exploit them yet but Rose felt 100% the same except for the invincibility on U2 did actually get me once, but not because I couldn’t have blocked but because I got greedy so… I deserved that yun kick to the face… I still won the match though…
the cr.strong>Drill stuff is more like frame traps if anything.
I don’t know what you’re on about Jason. I can still do as many c.mp xx spirals on block as I could before. I feel no difference. Same with s.mk, I can still use it in the same situations I used it before.