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The criticism of SFV is really soft compared to what people said about SF4 when it came out.
This forum hated SF4 with a passion at first until EVO happened.
…please understand
It wouldn’t surprise me if MKvsDC outsold SF5. any random amount of garbage with a lot of dumb ass single player shit and some cool costumes will sell a lot.
The majority of the people buying games from NRS aren’t really there to play the game in any way, shape or form that spends time with the collected scenes. So it literally doesn’t fucking matter how much they sell of any of that shit because a lot of those people don’t care. Look at how quickly MK9 and Injustice died competitively. Shit man, Martial Masters got played for longer than that shit.
NRS fighting games always outsell Capcom fighting games. That fact has never factored in to how well the games have done in the competitive circuit.
I wholeheartedly agree. As someone who greatly disliked SFIV in every iteration, it was pretty rough for me for a while. SFV isn’t by any means my favorite fighting game of all time, but I think it’s a lot of fun and there are a lot of people to play against. That’s like christmas for me.
Besides, I never got the mentality of “Haw haw! Nobody plays your favorite game!” I mean, we’re supposed to be a community. What’s good for one of us is technically good for most of us. I don’t get Smash, I’m not interested in Smash as anything but a drunken party game with nothing but pokéballs on the highest item drop ratio, and I actively avoid Smash news because I couldn’t give less of a fuck, but the fact it’s pulling in a lot of people is great. I don’t have to like Smash as a game to feel genuine happiness it’s doing well competitively. Likewise, I didn’t like SFIV, but it being a hit was what revitalized the FGC so I can’t be upset by it selling more than games I actually put time into. So whether it’s NRS, Capcom, Namco, Nintendo, ArcSys, or whoever, I genuinely wish their fighting games will sell a bazillion copies just because it would be good for the community as a whole in the end. Maybe when we’ve reached MOBA levels we can start shitting on each other and create silly fanboy flame wars, but until then there’s really no point in fracturing an already fairly small community with petty bullshit.
Yet for some reason people keep trying to make that tired comparison…
@otter tries to tell me that he remembers everyone OG hated SFIV until AE. I definitely remember a lot of guys like Valle, Ultra David and the like heavily pushing the game. Maybe some were more content than others, but at minimum most were like “we must do this for the FGC”. That was really the start of the Fighting Game Community. Before that we were just niggas that played fighting games.
I think by the time Evo finishes people will be more content with the game. Everyone thinks they know how the game plays, but Evo may throw a wrench in things depending on who or what makes top 8.
That is my experience on SRK and in my local community. Valle had been pretty vocal about disliking sf4, and console play in general, but felt obligated to see it through. I absolutely think the negative reactions to sf4 were FAR larger than we are seeing now. You’ve got to consider that most of SFVs problems are quality of life things that don’t even effect the game. Most people love the base game. Vanilla sf4 was a pretty shit game fundementally, and the idea that going for a meaty was risky was really new and frustrating for people. Previous games were more like sfv in that sense. Wakeup ultra decided sooo many matches in 2008-2010. Yes we can look back and say they were playing “wrong” but perception is reality.
It’s also interest that the shift to people accepting sf4 was very gradual. It wasn’t “okay the 09ers are here and we play sf4”. I feel like the majority consensus wasn’t until 2012 or so like @“DevilJin 01”, I seems to me that most sf4 enthusiasts didn’t come around until 2010-2014.
These observations make me optimistic about sfv. I had been saying that if they can have a good Evo, get 300-500k viewers, and have story mode waiting for them, shits good. And then the trailer comes out with a great looking story mode. I doesn’t even matter much what happens at Evo as long as the esports stuff is relatively smooth. SF got a lot of teasing when luffy and bonchan had a fireball heavy match, and I think that moment had a lot to do with influencing SFVs design.
Plus there were quite a few people lamenting that SF4 gameplay was “boring” to watch; which is a complaint I’ve seen leveled at SFV now too.
protip any game you don’t like is boring to watch
there is a vega player on my stream right now literally jab mashing super plat players out and bodying them. It’s all bad son.
This game infuriates me as a ryu player. even when you finally get good its like everyone else is still better cause of their character. It’s like you gotta be 10x as good to win.
I’m getting over this game again and I’m feeling like ibuki is gonna be fucked when she comes out.
Ryu is good. The developers balanced the game around him and Tokido 2nd places most tournaments he’s at with absolute killers.
I think you’ll like Ibuki, I think.
Ryu players lol. It’s pretty obvious that “balanced around Ryu” meant “no one is allowed to be better than Ryu”.
BTW the reason Vega is mashing jab is that his other tools either suck or are badly punishable.
Losing to mashed jabs speaks more about those super platinum players than it does the Vega.
It’s pretty bland as it is in my opinion. It needs something extra to spice up the combat.
El Fuerte with a Pinto Bean alt costume will spice things up.
Dude I’m practically begging for El Fuerte at this point. A balls to the wall, walking slot machine like him would actually be a breath of fresh air compared to everyone else in Frame-Trapper V.
Beside the point of everything going on here, I think it’s dumb that amazing games get subbed out for newer games in shit like EVO.
Considering the fact that the games just came out and aren’t updated well enough, lack real vast knowledge of the game depth yet and the fact that most older games are finally becoming more seasoned into the golden years of enriched gameplay since everyone is so well acclimated to it by then.
Like these games have been out for years and are finally getting appreciated and then - new game and it’s suddenly subbed out and no one hardly plays it anymore/the player base dwindles because of it.
Kinda sad, really.
It’d be nice if there were a tournament that was huge like evo solely for all sorts of games - new and old.
Dunno if that’ll ever happen though.
Which older games in particular?