Anyone citing EVO numbers is an idiot, FYI. Just as many people would have shown up if SFIV was still the main game. People go to EVO for the spectacle now and they signup knowing they have zero chance of winning. EVO will increasingly become much like ComicCon as time goes by. It’s not a benchmark of how healthy the enthusiast community is whatsoever, especially for a game that isn’t even a half a year old yet.
Twilight had alot of people supporting it so was it also a good book? And Citizen Kane was a bomb, so does that make it a terrible movie?
Even transitioning to games, is the entire Virtua Fighter series a terrible sets of games because no one in the West really gave that much attention to it?
But for the main point, how can I be obtuse when he phrases it like that?
Yes you need a community and the bigger, the better…but how exactly much bigger does it really need to be if you get people who really don’t care for the community and make things worse? It doesn’t really make a community better when you have fools like Lupe coming around and people going straight to the ground, kissing his feet wherever he goes even when he has his asshole moments.
A bigger community =/= a better or a more unified community, it’s just a bigger community.
And for the record, NRS’s main issues is not the fact that it’s a “shit game” because I can say SFV is on the same shoes as MKX, you can prove me true that it’s not true, but at the same time I can obviously prove you wrong that MKX is not a shit game.
The issue with NRS is that they don’t know when to stop(which ironically, Capcom seems to do the same thing with SFV and whenever a patch shows an unintentional exploit) and then on top of that, when they get the next game, JUST LIKE CAPCOM, they immediately stop supporting it.
You can have the best game in the world…it doesn’t matter for dick if the company itself can see that. That is NRS’s problem, not the fact that it’s a game not worth your cup of tea.
Twilight and Citizen Kane are outlier situations or show what’s technically possible.
I would say SFV falls into a more general scenario where its not a bad game, its functional, accessible and due to that dudes are showing up. These people are making a cognitive choice to show up in droves for it despite a bad launch. They see there is a bad launch but show up any way. Don’t see that being a Twilight situation. Its just people see the game competitively works and is worth banding together for.
the FGC deserves SF5
#10moreyears
I understand people might not like this game and there is definitly flaws.
But when I read everywhere that the game is random, or the button pressing is random it’s always a “wtf” moment for me. If the game was random, SFV wouldn’t have exactly the same top as USFIV or you’re going to tell me Infiltration just happens to random way better than me?
The button presses are random but there is still an overall strategy to the game.
Infiltration was known for being unpredictable and hard to footsie even in SFIV. Plus that game had entire characters based on doing things that were completely unreactable and sailed around footsies. When normals that are mostly negative on block
Luckily button presses being random works out better for honesty than the other random stuff that was regularly used in previous games. Besides, 3S by default would be way more random than SFV if you just figure parries are a random anti poke tool.
IMO, Evo aren’t an indication of whether people like the game. Almost half of the 5k were signed up a week after the game was released. 4k of them were signed up by April. It was excitement that got those numbers, not the game. People didn’t know enough about it when they registered.
That excitement must be like when someone puts Molly in your drink at the club. Where was that excitement for any other fighter out there? I mean the launch sure wasn’t “exciting” but these people were brainwashed into being excited about a bad game. Tekken 7 and MKX players are going to need hella dosage of those excitement pills.
Hopefully everyone gets more excitement pills for 2017.
Even ignoring the Twilight and Citizen Kane arguments (both of which have explanations that have absolutely nothing to do with SFV, largely boiling down to the differences in medium, subjectivity in determining the quality of a work, the cultural zeitgeist, and press coverage), if we assume that on a whole, the FGC consists of just as many cool dudes and bad eggs as any other community, bigger indeed equals better. Sure, we’ll have more assholes, but by the law of averages we will also have more cool, worthwhile people. Hell, even if we assume there’s an influx of like 75% dickheads, that still leaves 25% desirables and I’d like to think the dickheads will mostly be dealt with somehow (like not playing with them, which has worked for other, much larger communities). Not to mention that as evidenced by the success of SFIV, if Street Fighter makes money and draws people in, that makes the market for fighting games larger as a whole and opens doors for other games to flourish. It’s not a coincidence that the struggling fighting game market did much better after 2009. If you’re a fighting game fan, you should probably wish for SFV to sell as many copies as possible, if nothing else than for the future success of games you think are better. Like it or not, Capcom sales directly factor into Lab Zero/ArcSys/Capcom/Iron Galaxy sales. The outlier here being MK, which sold pretty well even when SF was dead, indicating their audience is primarily different from the traditional fighting game audience.
I think the most important thing when it comes to the healthiness of the community is to try to be a cool dude. Lead by example and all that. If you’re a cool guy who welcomes people, teaches them how to play, and acts like a decent goddamn human being, I’d like to think that influences the new players. If you’re a dick popping off against a newbie, whining about “09ers”, saying all fans of fighting game X are shitty scrubs, and generally just being a negative dude nobody wants to deal with, it will probably influence the people you interact with. That’s why I will always give big props to Max, even if he’s factually wrong every now and then, isn’t by any means a professional player and does the occasional clickbait video. The guy’s a great public face for the FGC who stays positive, always tells people they play a good game, and generally seems like a person I’d like to be around. You couldn’t ask for a better ambassador for the FGC to the uninitiated.
Can’t wait for Injustice 2 to shit-stomp SFV in sales.
@mIRC nailed it. EVO is just becoming comic-con where people go to “legitimize” their involvement in the FGC. Which, ironically, isn’t even necessary…especially since I’ve seen the community be generally very inclusive and positive (though that is, of course, anecdotal) going all the way back to when I first got into fighters in my own local arcade scene.
I also agree with @Kecka though that being decent human beings is the most important part of the scene. And I totally agree about Max. That is what an ambassador for a game fandom should be like.
Just look at MKX and compare it to UMK3 or something. Most OG players prefer the older MK games…
Even so you have to see that these people go to legitimize themselves by entering Street Fighter V or Smash and not so much any of the other games. SFV has going on 5K individual entrants which is pretty insane considering how the other games probably have a good portion of people who aren’t entering SFV. There would have been numbers for SFIV, but not these types of numbers. The changes to the accessibility of the game and the characters has surely made an impact on having twice the entrants that it already had last year. SFIV would not have the same number of entrants or players willing to try their shot even though it was already out for a couple years and that didn’t have a disaster commercial launch.
Their willingness to enter SFV and only SFV can’t just be downplayed as “people wanna high five each other at a con while video games are around them”. If they did they would have equally decided to enter the other games. People know this is their one shot to try themselves against the world in what they currently consider is the premier SF game.
Injustice 2 can have all the sales it wants, but it’s not going to beat people getting together in person to enjoy and compete in the same game as far as a living, personal experience. Good luck to Injustice 2 commercially and all, but I know what I want to play competitively and seems a lot of other people do also.
They can also put 3rd Strike back at Evo. That would be great.
FGC means fighting game COMMUNITY not company, ya goofy old headass.
Here’s what I wrote back when the game first came out, I said it was a bad idea.
I’m willing to bet my house that Injustice 2 will not have 5,000 registered participants next year at Evo.
I’m willing to bet that doesn’t make Injustice 3 any less likely.
Nor does 5000 Evo attendants make SF6 any more likely.
What do we want then? A game that everyone buys but nobody plays or a game that nobody buys but everyone plays?
Did Capcom tell you it has to be one or the other? Was that the memo they sent out to the offices?
I’m a savage so give me that one that 5,000 people play bruh. This is the first time in a while that I actually like a fighting game that is the big mainstream game so it’s a good time for me. I was stuck in poverty land for a while. Now I can go in again.