I notice Emil didn’t mention Guile. Couldn’t be because Dieminion is clearly the best Guile on the planet.
I honestly don’t give a shit who’s the “the best”. I mean, either A. You’ve resigned yourself to never standing a chance of being on their level so arguing from afar is all you’ll ever do, or B. You wanna be the best yourself, so who gives a shit who’s at “the top” because fuck 'em, YOU’RE heading to the top. That’s how I look at it anyway.
Ok those normals are better but you don’t use them vs akuma except fir cr. mk which does 80 dmg compared to akuma landing a sweep and a big damage combo from the mixup afterwards.
Okay. The amount of ignorance along with douchebagness (in terms of how opinionated people can get) is ridiculous.
Emil is just being a stuck up opinionated retard who can’t acknowledge American players when they are clearly at the Japanese level. They’ve gone to multiple tournaments that include Japanese players and have made consistent top 5 placements. I don’t give a crap if you are going to verbally attack me likewise to what I’m doing here - I’ll simply be like yourself and act as if your opinion isn’t even worth listening to at this state. I recommend that other people should avoid feeding this troll and should simply disregard his posts as a whole.
Ryu Vs Akuma is a matchup that most aren’t knowledgeable of. It’s not as vortex dependent as you believe it is. Ryu’s Super punishes just about everything Akuma. In the ground game, if you’ve ever played this matchup against a decent Ryu, would know that Ryus active frames are outta the world and clearly beat out Akuma’s. The only tool he really has is his crouching roundhouse and medium, but really, you’re going to get outpoked for the majority of the matchup. Once you play footsies 101 and whiff punish the normals, good Ryu’s will simply start the fireball game and eventually push you to the corner.
Even if you get a sweep and start up your vortex, I’ll have you know that Ryu’s 3 Frame reversal makes the majority of Akuma’s setups not possible.
After a sweep, you can go into immediate divekick which is although safe against reversals, almost always hits in the front. It’s hardly even a mixup at this stage of time. You can also go for a crossup tatsu but you can get beaten out by a delayed shoryuken.
After a grab, you have some options, but really, they are only available at the corner. That’s assuming you hit his unblockables (not an easy task when they aren’t frame perfect - you have to delay 1 frame (yes, 1/60 of a second) before jumping).
Overall this matchup is about Akuma punishing Ryu’s mistakes. He can’t outfootie Ryu and he can’t push him into the corner without making note of his mistakes. It gets even harder likewise to what I earlier said when the Ryu player doesn’t poke as much with normals anymore and goes with his fireball game. You aren’t going to be given an easy chance to whiff punish at all.
5 - 5 Matchup for sure.
On another note, Inflitration beat Daigo 6-3 if we include Winners Finals, but Daigo destroyed Tokido in one of the qualifier matches. It’s Inflitration who’s the indisputable #1 Akuma right now. The only people I think can actually challenge Inflitration’s supreme sovereignty are those who play matchups that are 6-4 in Akuma’s disadvantage (Sako - Ibuki, Kazunoko - Yun, Xiao Hai / ACQUA - Cammy … etc). I don’t feel as though he’d lose at 5-5 matchups (or better!) consistently at this point of time and the tournament results do tell us this.
Edit: He’s missing Xiao Hai, a person who picked up Cammy for a few months and made top 5 in Evo. Xian’s results make him indisputably better than all other Gens on this planet. He is the best Gen at the moment.
Far more accurate list now.
No, it’s because he’s busy trying to prove that NuckleDu is Japanese. “See guys?? Another Japanese player that can beat Infiltration. OMG best Guile in the world.”
Not to defend Emil, but he did mention Guile, Yazu is who he considers to be the best Guile on the planet.
I want to be the best, but I gotta pick my fights, first I need to be the best Gief in my city to even start considering being the best Gief in my country, then the world. I want to be there, but in the meantime I’m cool with SnakeEyez and Cantona being the best.
That’s how I see it anyway.
… like no one ever was…
Putting -6 higher than Infiltration as far as best Akuma lol. He may have better execution, but that’s the thing about japanese players. I strongly believe they have better execution in general, have we seen any american Akumas performing the s.hk loop to his fullest back in vanilla? I don’t think so, the japs were doing it with ease.
While I think emil needs to share what he’s smoking, I don’t really agree with a lot of stuff people are saying.
I don’t think Hsien Chang is as good as Kazunoko, and I don’t think Hsien thinks he is either. Dude straight up said he was going to lose to Daigo at Evo.
I feel Dieminon really does not use all of his character’s tools which sets him back as being definitive best overall Guile. He doesn’t have the setplay or general setups(have you ever seen dieminion kara throw?) that the JP Guiles or even Nuckledu have. It’s hard for me to say someone is the best when they aren’t the most well rounded, and I think Yazu definitely is more well rounded.
With Justin/Ricky I feel it’s kind of the same. MDR’s setplay is so much better than theirs it’s really hard to say.
F.Champ was very high on the jp sims when he was there.
Stuff like Latif or SnakeEyez not being the best with their characters is just dumb though because it’s pretty much globally accepted at this point.
Yeah I missed it in the wall of text. Still though, some of that is absolutely laughable.
As for being the best, I know I’m personally not anywhere near that level myself yet but if I compare where I was when I started to where I am not I know it’s a world of difference, and I only keep improving. Some solid offline comp would be best but I’m making do with what I have and it isn’t too bad right now.
And when I say “Fuck em” I don’t mean any disrespect, the top players are great and worthy of respect, I just mean to say I ain’t gonna be held in thrall of them and promote them to some godlike status. Once we hit the sticks they’re just as beatable as anyone provided I maximize MY play.
Hsien Chang may not have the best attitude for winning but his skills are unquestionable in this regard. He had a long mirror set against daigo in AE which was pretty close. And the EVO2012 match was EXTREMELY close. Frankly the only thing Hsien Chang needs to step up to be as good or better than Kazunoko is not dropping his Genei Jin combos. In every other way he is as good. If Hsien Chang isn’t on par he is immeasurably close. Don’t forget Hsien Chang’s SBO results.
Dieminion may not use every tool but he has shown to have the best sense of spacing and knowing which tool to use for what as well as generally strong play. Frankly Dieminion is the best guile not because of his specific guile knowledge but because he is such a good player on his own. He could be extremely strong as Sim or Ryu as well if he put in the same amount of time/effort/patience.
Ricky MAYBE not. Justin is def as good as MDR in long sets. Justin adapts extremely well and is very very consistent. Generally speaking I feel that Justin uses Rufus’ entire tool set better than anyone.
setplay=static knockdown game
When Daigo went for the fireball game Infiltration simply focus dashed through them for a free throw and more opportunity to use Akuma’s strong mixups. Thats Ryu’s best tool in this match up right and it was used against him. So what can Ryu do in this match up now? Even if Ryu gets the knock down he has a weak mix up game but even then Akuma can safely teleport away.
I’d argue that that Skyloo aka Tommy from Singapore is better than Vivi. I mean he at least has footsies and space control and not just one fancy combo he’s learned to squeeze in every now and then like Vivi.
Also Gackt is better than Machabo. Period.
Also PR Rog sure as hell is better than -R-. -R- might have the better Rog when it comes to technology, but he’s nowhere near Eduardo as a player. I think that’s a similar situation with Amiyu and Xian. At this point with Xian having the kind of year he has had it’s dumb to say that Amiyu is better. Xian is probably the third most successful player in the past year, after Infiltration and Daigo. Amiyu has placed once in a tournament and that was Shadowloo Showdown.
Also the list Emil posted DOES ignore a couple of characters
Dan, El Fuerte, T Hawk, Ibuki, Vega, Gouken, and Guy aren’t on the list
Dan, I’d say Ixion is probably the best in or out of Japan but there are a couple of good Dans in Japan.
Guy is Kiryu. I wish we’d see more from NoxNox though I think Nox is as good as Kiryu but we don’t see him often. (Daigo said Nox is the strongest Guy he’s ever played.)
T Hawk is unquestionably Koji Kog. As good as some of the US Hawks are (like Hungbee) Koji is def the best.
Vega… tbh I dunno, I haven’t really kept track of claw players XD
Ibuki, Sako no question.
Gouken, Wildcat or Proudstrawberry. Veloc1raptor is def leveling up though and I think if he sticks with it at some point in AE2013 he’ll catch up.
El Fuerte, iPeru takes this one hands down.
Reiketsu is definitely the best Claw player. He makes Vega look dominant in match-ups where he should be losing and against other top Japanese players on top.
btw, Eternal, wtf was that listing Choi as a top Ryu player now? He doesn’t do the damage in SF4, just bodies some NorCal folks because he’s Choi. Likewise, Valle is still Valle, but he hasn’t focused on AE in a long time and is now plainly inferior to Daigo and a couple other Japanese.
That said, Emil’s list is definitely written under some strong influence. It’s also hilarious how he feels the need to belittle people constantly. Gootecks a top Rose? The strawmen, they be movin’. A case could probably be made for filipinoman and perhaps Art if he keeps this up, but that’s for a list of “these are really really good” not “these are Daigo/Infiltration/Sako-level”.
I love how Latif was at the arcade where the best players play in Japan (Taito Station) and managed a 74% win rate with over 86,000 BP he’s 10th in their player rankings, not bad for the short amount of time he was there.
They are top level Ryu’s still. They still earn their placement among the best RYUs. I wouldn’t call them ‘top players’ overall there are stronger players but they are still some of the best Ryus in the world. And you need to watch the recent Madcatz unveiled match between Valle and Daigo.
Even rusty Valle plays a strong game that is on par with the best and has a bunch of really close games.
He’s just a 'murican scrub. And you should know that Taito Station isn’t the best, the best is in Seppuku and you haven’t even heard about it.
EDIT: Post directed at shinebox. Eternal’s post somehow snuck inbetween. Still applies to that too 