Ibuki Critique Thread ver.2

Did I say insta kunai? I meant f+MK overhead.

Also yes you can mash and spam it all day.

Hey everyone, a few interesting things happened hours ago. RedCaliburn played in a tournament and went up against the same Jozhear NVNiko played. Her tournament performance, however relative, was pretty darn good. But as someone who has been seeing her progress since the beginning there are major issues she has that she needs to correct.

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So as you can see, she’s managed to do well with who is probably considered the best Claw in the world, or at least one of them. But when I watch this video I cringe because I know Jozhear is giving RedCaliburn too much respect. Despite this it’s still a great achievement.

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This Ryu player is considered to be the strongest player in her area, so these matches are pretty much golden. However as you can tell the level of competition in Edmonton doesn’t appear to be so high.

Now if you’re wondering why I’m making a post like this, it’s because (no offense) when I see a Pro player like Jozhear lose badly in a match against RedCaliburn it makes me think – because I’ve played RedCaliburn since the beginning I decided to get a 360 pad and load up the game to play.

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This isn’t a case of me knowing the match-up so well, but this in my opinion is her biggest weakness – she’s fine if her opponent plays “smart” but she can’t win against auto-pilot or flowchart play. Granted I’m not the best Sagat in the world (I dunno how to use pad very well), and this isn’t a case of lag. I think other players give her too much respect in tournaments and eventually get knocked down/frame trapped to death.

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SevenDaggers and I giving Critique to RedCaliburn a few months back

tl;dr ver. RedCaliburn can play comfortably with certain good players and look great, but she loses to flowcharts etc. help give tips on what to do against Sagat’s nj.MK

*also the commentator is lacking *

EDIT: I learnt to start every match against a new player with sj.HP xx MK from Iyo. =P

Thanks for uploading those matches Izuna. I greatly appreciate it. :smiley:

Also slight warning on the commentary; he doesn’t have too much knowledge based on Ibuki’s advanced strageties. (Haters gonna hate Ibuki lol.)

Also what you may hear alot during my matches:

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This is why I don’t often tsumuji loop. XD

lmao

Poor Mingo getting put on blast from old videos.

Which is exactly the actual thing I’m trying to fix asap as i have exactly the same problem. I can sometimes beat the guys who are considered as the best Zangief in France, but I’ll lose to the first SPD-masher Zangief.
This is generally a problem of overall game vision: we see the game only the way we want to see it. As an example imho it’s completely nonsense to mash when you’re in a 50/50 situation, so I often tend to completely forget that it’s still possible, and end up caught by mashed stuff.

Yes and I’m stuck because of this. It’s entirly possible to look at the game at a different angle, but it also requires a change in mentality (possibly). I percieve thing’s that may look irrational, or illogical and then forgetting the option that they can do that and catch me off guard.

Not sure how I can train myself to do this though…

Edit I have the cun li match-up up as well, its the same player who uses Oni.
I felt like somthing was wrong with the flip kick (hazanshou is that how you spell it?) I know you could focus it back in super and get a free crumple with FA, but I’ve forgotten about the ways to punish that move…

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I think… I don’t have this problem because I played a lot of Ranked Matches on AE PC, and I spent most of my time watching NSB before AE came out. I watched it religiously basically. Despite what NVNiko for example says, playing “solid” won’t mean you will always win. The last time I played “solid” was probably the last time I played Ryu offline.

When I went to Japan I was pretty damn shocked. You see Sakonoko and Umehara walk back and forward almost as if they’re playing 3rd Strike right? Sort of like how B played against RedCaliburn. – But when I went to Japan everything was dead casual, everyone was jumping in, playing random etc. and while Iyo is basically a mastermind at making reads, he’ll jump back and jump forward quite often. You look at Fuudo and Nemo and they’ll almost always press buttons and do FADC-less DPs after overheads or in the recent SBO qualifiers especially, Fuudo was doing Chicken Wing after Chicken Wing, mixing up DP, throw, and neutral against an able player.

You can play smart. If I have 3 meters I’ll blow it if someone jumps in with a j.LK and I block that, but I heard from Problem-X that this was described as “raggo” or whatever that means. After I came back from Japan and seeing Iyo start a bunch of rounds with sj.HK xx MK I stopped believing that you should never jump or give any opponent too much “respect”.

And this is similar to what Fuudo was saying about Umehara, You really can’t beat him. If you played a FT20 with Daigo you just won’t win, but if you play in a tournament or maybe even a FT5 you have your chances. Street Fighter (and many fighting games) are random. In SF2 you have to guess pretty much all the time. I mean the whole idea of making a read is guessing.

So no, I completely disagree with it being nonsense to mash when you’re in a 50/50 situation, have you seen Umehara’s inputs? He even said any character that has a DP with a mashable motion was good. (I’ll find reference for this later)

In my opinion you’d just have to play more of those types of players. Many of the great players inc. Sako would lose their first match even against certain player, so long as they’re decent, but because he has so much experience playing all types of players he can adapt quickly. You can find all types of players on Xbox LIVE it seems, but personally I think most of my training was done at the Arcades…

I really blame the competition you have for not taking advantage of those weaknesses you have though. There’s no point playing “solid” when you don’t have to. Do you still play Rezzureckion (dunno how to spell it)? Even though he’s a very casual player he can still give you a hard time.

I mean I think NVNiko put it best when he said he doesn’t like playing MingoDynasty because he used to DP during strings because it’d work out in his favour. If the dude is playing like an “idiot” shouldn’t that make it easier to play against him? If not, he’s not an idiot.

F-Word complained about me jumping in like 3 times in a row no matter how many times he anti-aired me, but his anti-air was just Ageman on it’s own. If I get a successful jump in on the 4th time I would get a full TC4 into Knockdown so it’s in my favour. What do you think? This is actually how a lot of unheard of Japanese players play at the Arcades when I was there at least.

Perhaps this is why coaching is so important. If I was Jozhear’s coach I could tell him RedCaliburn’s weakness, and he might have just won by jumping in alone. I’ve heard Japanese players say thinks like “he’s not good with anti-airs” about Bonchan amongst themselves (although apparently he’s much better now).

izuna, i told redcaliburn to stop listening to you guys because your advice is wack.

all these posts confirm my suspicions.

i’ll post the same thing i told redcaliburn yesterday.

i won because she was afraid of the kara throw. i knew she was trying too hard to tech it and is saw that when i’d get counter hits like in the first round of the video, doing stutter step jabs. thats all the evidence i need that someone is struggling to protect themselves against kara throws. i told her that since i get an option select off a f throw that ibuki can backdash out of, she might as well keep the fight midscreen (remember when i told you guys to stop backing yourself into the corner?) and continually backdash that set up, despite the fact that she may get thrown initially - better than a frame trap combo to EX FBA, which i hit a few of.

now i remember you, izuna, stating something like “jump back roundhouse destroys izunas”, watch the video. i told you. if i know you’re going to do jump back ANYTHING, regardless of what it is, i will win. told redcaliburn the same thing.

mix up your air-to-air counters and your ground-to-air counters for izuna. otherwise, it’ll become a serious problem. i said the same thing here and for the most part got a bunch of huge wall of texts post that were largely fallacious advice. I got a bunch of damage on RC doing izunas that can lead to far more damage dealt to me than to her, but i get the feeling some of the advice you guys give nurtures this sort of strict mentality. i remember when you guys said ibuki has to rely on unblockables, that doesn’t make any sense, considering you get a 50/50 off of most things and basically every one RC did in first few rounds killed me.

also i don’t need a coach lol. not necessary, i get by just fine.

edit: shoutouts to my amazing coach LAB Falken

Please don’t group all of our advices, I never said about relying on Unblockables, I don’t agree with NVNiko.

About the jump back HK, if you read my post, I do say to mix it up. I was saying that it works better than air-throw in the same situation because it has better follow-ups and a better hit-box.

This is what I said. Claw can choose to grab Ibuki in the air if he knows she’s going to jump, but then if Claw goes for that Ibuki can punish him on the way down.

You should definitely try backdashing out of the Vortex and not forward dashing, because if you backdash and RedCaliburn comes down with cr.LP or TC4 you’ll only get reset because of the airborne frames on all backdashes since AE.

I don’t know how you feel about lag but I’ll try to borrow my brother’s computer stick and give you a few games. I’m interested by this match-up.

I have played her with Claw as well and there are few things for her to consider. If you were to crouch with Claw and got hit by the Vortex or any mix-up, her goto BnB and Target Combos don’t work, they whiff. When you try to block Ibuki’s Vortex is good for Claw to crouch if you see a Kunai.

I don’t know what you mean by backing off into the corner. But please don’t combine my advice with NVNiko’s. The corner mix-up RedCaliburn his you with is something she learnt during our matches, telling her to stop listening to advice is silly. I hope you’re interested in exchanging ideas or playing matches.

EDIT: I forgot to say, I probably can’t play with a stick until September, so if we do let’s do it around then.

Auto-pilot on ranked battles ftw.

So according to you we should play less solid and just hope something works out in our favor?? (Great advice) The player with better fundamentals may not win every match but he will most likely win a long set once he sees how random you are and how you approach the game.

I’m pretty sure they did that for a reason and not just because. Probably to close out the match or make a comeback. Don’t forget it’s only one match.

I would call that predictable.

The bottom line is your taking a chance that may or may not work out for you. I don’t understand why you can’t grasp this concept. My guess is you don’t play against very good players regularly. You may land a combo or you might spend the rest of the round in the corner, why gamble? Either that or you just don’t take the game seriously.

Your whole post sounds like “just jump in and mash dp every once in a while and you’ll be fine”

My point exactly

I said this, I may be right or I may wrong. But in this match up, if Vega FA dash out of the kunai mixup it is very hard for Ibuki to punish his dash due to how fast it recovers. And it seems like she may have to rely on unblockables once she gets the knockdown in order to get her damage in.

I think the point is that you need to find a medium between a level of predictability bordering on flowcharting, and playing sub-optimal moves that will get you punished.

This is what I wanted to say. Obviously don’t always do the same thing, but there’s no reason to play using as little risk as possible all the time. Tournaments are bo3 anyway.

Yes that is my point.

Exactly what I was pointing out: I (and maybe RedCaliburn? Can’t really say) have a lack of experience anyway. I started playing Street Fighter seriously last September, so I haven’t even played for one year and I’m still too close-minded to stay ready for what I’d call “stupid stuff” (ie. Random neckbreakers, stupid jumpins, whatever).
Playing a lot of XBL matches already taught me to play safe, they still have to teach me to play smart (autopilot am here)

But (poke @NVNiko) I agree with you on the point that playing just solid won’t lead to victory. There is the whole mind-game stuff which has to be understood. When you see those really godlike players such as Sako or Daigo, you’re often surprised seeing them doing completely unsafe stuff (like Sako’s LP neckbreaker after an U2), but this game has now been around for a few years and is pretty much very known and understood, so if you can’t go out of the “Hey guys I always play safe” way, there is a huge chance you can loose, you also have to surprise your opponent. Like, heck, I played Rico Suave’s Abel last week and could Raida his far cr.HK a few times because it was too predictable (and… Is there any character with more 50/50 situations than Abel? ). Who would use Raida in this situation, given how unsafe it is? But still, it’s surprising. I heard him sayin “oh!” and he ended up mashing EX Roll to get out of my empty jump throw, so he did not get out because at this point I basically took the psychological lead. (bottom note: I got bodied anyway). Go play a good Seth, like rekkaTEC or Problem X, and you’d be surprise how many mind game mashing they do. Heck, rekkaTEC sometimes just stands still while I’m waking up and does an EX hyakuretsu because he’s certain I’m gonna backdash (and I do -_- )

@Jozhear:

Mind if we play on XBL some day?

rekkaTEC is amazing… a million times more amazing than Problem-X :wink:

They’re made out of the same basis anyway. Problem X is just an English rekkaTEC imho xD

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah =P

I’ve never played against any pros except Illiterate and that was only like 2 times. I envy you guys. Can’t go to the local tournaments either because they’re too far from my house and always held at night.

I already sent a message to you but, Izuna, I perfected a Guile. However, it was a endless battle. Is that not good enough?