It’s not a big deal since you know, you could end that combo after the first M Smash with j.H xx Spark xx Tornado and then just go into Stalking Flare. Should get you close to a Mil easily.
And I’m not the biggest Dorm fan (or Doom fan for that matter) either, but I said when I started out playing that in the end, I’d do what was best for Thor as a character. So Thor/Dorm/Doom I will rock, with Viper/Thor/Ammy on the side as a fun team.
. Thanks, and I did know most of that already. I don’t remember doing the double mighty M in the corner on my vid, if I did lol I’m dumb but I do remember it mid screen. But yea I do know to dhc due to mighty thunder doing shit damage lol, there’s a trial for him with xfc after mighty thunder. But I will practice the mighty double into cancel off first hit into tornado.
I guess everyone here is gonna be rocking the Thor/Dorm/Doom team. XD
or you can go the hipster way and play Thor Strange Ammy lol
It also has horrible recovery which you can see in your video when Iron Man begins to roll out while Thor is recovering in his Mighty Thunder animation.
I was playing with a friend yesterday and I was rocking Thor/Strange/Doom since I wanted to see how I would do with that team even though I need to really work on getting better with Strange.
Anyone know if Strange has gone up the tier list. I just watched a vid where Diemenion said Strange was pretty much ass tier. Not sure when he said it tho.
Then again most people were saying Thor was ass tier, and look how he has inched his way up the tiers.
Man, don’t get tiers from Diemenion. He plays Reading Rainbow.
Most people said Thor was only ass tier in Vanilla. Since Ultimate dropped, it’s been common opinion that he’s Mid-Low at worst.
As for Strange…yeah… My personal opinion is that he’s great as long as he never has to participate in the neutral game due to his damage and quick DHC punish situations that can lead to multiple deaths. In neutral however, he’s really really…not good, and it’s easy to exploit the coverup of that weakness due to Snapbacks or just popping XF when you touch the point character (since Strange is usually second).
I actually think Strange is A- tier, mid-high. He is like the Phoenix of second position. Strange x Amaterasu is a very strong combination and boost Strange neutral game a lot. Strange + coldstar + XF Lv2 is like a mini-darkphoenix, every touch is a kill and you get those nasty crossups. Problem is Dieminion plays a naked dr Strange (strange + morrigan assist + joe assist which is bad), even self sufficient characters like Zero and Magneto suffer against other characters and their bfs if they dont have assists to play. Some nice tools Strange has and no one (or very few people) is using:
Thor was most definitely bottom tier in vanilla; the boosts he received (invincible mighty punish, mighty strike and smash H charging faster, better hitbox for mighty sparks, air enabled XFC, etc) etc were significant and improved him a lot. And as the game evolves, characters with lots of air mobility and guard break setups are looking better and better. I used to play a team of Hsien-ko/Dorm/Thor in vanilla, the plan was to get hsien-ko in golden armor, then hard tag and bring Thor safe to the field, was THE ONLY WAY to fight decently against all the BS that game had.
Nah, Thor definitely wasn’t bottom tier in vanilla. He was a solid mid tier there for the same reasons he’s a solid mid tier in ultimate. He still has the same weaknesses, and he still has the same strengths. The only difference is his strengths got better, but the BS is still the same, he’s still gotta work, and he still needs specific team set ups–the same team set ups he needed in vanilla.
no man, vanilla was BS, and i mean BS. Everybody could kill Thor with the DHC glitch out of one touch, Dante, Phoenix, Wolverine, Tron, Haggar, Magneto were BS. invincible mighty punish allow Thor to fight with Dark Phoenix, air XFC mighty hurricane H give Thor chances to bring down anybody. In Ultimate only Zero, Vergil, Hulk, and maybe some other heavy hitters can kill Thor without a reset. And his air dash was also buffed in Ultimate. Maybe Thor got some secret buffs as well cause it never crossed my mind in vanilla about doing double/triple mighty tornado combos. And invincible derpserker slash + tatsu was even more BS. Thor was bottom tier in that game without a doubt. I agree about our Thors being more mature now but that game was BS. Oh and the Jill undiscovered tech…
good thing I didn’t pick this game up until Ultimate. I woulda probably rage quit this series forever if Thor was that bad.
Fuck no, the divide between the best and the worst in Vanilla was MUCH wider. You weren’t fucking with Dante and a decent assist or Dante with Jean in the back. You either played that, or played a direct counter. Other than that, you weren’t gonna get very far. Only reason we didn’t see it get THAT bad was because UMvC3 was announced.
Thor with his extra buffs which really helped, plus the BS getting a lot less BS saved Thor from the scrap heap.
There’s no doubt that vanilla was some utter bull, but at the same time, Thor could DHC glitch with the best of 'em. XFC Hurricane/Punish was just as potent a reversal tool. Air dashes in general were better with the ability to block at any time during them. Not to mention ADDB was better for characters overall. Mighty Smash crossover counters still worked. Haggar and Tron were assists that Thor could use and easily capitalize off of as well. And a lot of the Thor tech that we’re discovering now is stuff Thor had from the get go. TK Strikes were always a thing. Mighty Spark soft knockdown was always there, too, meaning that Spark relaunches were possible, he still had resets, the incoming mix ups and guard breaks were probably still there, too.
Obviously, I’m not trying to say that Thor was a better character in vanilla, because he certainly wasn’t, but his placing in comparison with the rest of the cast was always smack dab in the middle. His matchups are the same as they are now as they’ve always been, because he didn’t get a single buff that changed anything about his game plan. Mighty Strike is still his only “normal.” He still revolves around needing to get in with an assist. He still needs an assist to do big damage. I still play Thor the exact same way I did now when I did way back when (y’know, aside from getting better as a player).
My point is everybody could kill in vanilla out of one touch (making high health a non-important factor), and while yes, Thor could use Tron, Haggar assists and work as an ender for the DHC glitch, he was not the most proficient at using the BS of vanilla, he was probably one of the worsts. For example: Dante/Magneto(disruptor)/Phoenix team could mix you up like crazy, build close to 3 bars out of one hitconfirm, then if he wanted to, do the DHC glitch, build another bar and kill, all while keeping Dark Phoenix in reserve. Many characters could use similar setups (Ammy, Magneto, Storm, Tron, Spiderman, etc) and be super effective. Compare #1 and #2 teams of 2011 evo to every Thor team you can imagine (Dante/Wolverine/Tron and Wesker/Haggar/Phoenix). There are theoretically no chances for Thor to win, regardless of your other two partners. He couldnt act as an starter for the DHC glitch and his damage output was much lower (faster mighty strike and smash charges increased the damage output). Taking out the DHC glitch was a great buff for Thor. Also the individual matchups with many many characters were so terrible… as i said, i played Thor backed up by golden sempu bu and Dorm DHCs and that made me survive all the BS.
Thor was most certainly better played in the second position in vanilla in a team of Abegen esque and not on point EVER (well maybe against incoming characters for the guard breaks). So in my opinion, overall yes, Thor is more or less the same, but the rules of the game changed making him more viable (as well as other characters, like Morrigan, Dormmamu and Doom).
And I agree with all of that. I really do. Except for the part about individual match ups being so bad for him. That’s the main thing that I see as being exactly the same. In vanilla one touch is death as opposed to two, but with things like combo breaking assists like Gustaf, Lariat, Gold Armor, and Missiles, basically the same types of assists that everyone needed to be viable come vanilla’s end game, and the fact that he had the ability to DHC both into and out of the glitch (yes, Mighty Punish could start it as well. It still kinda works like that in Ultimate thanks to it only doing 2 hits) meant that Thor, while not having a place among the Dante’s and Wolverines, still had a place to compete. To say he’s bottom tier means there’s absolutely no way he could compete.
There was no way he could compete. Yeah, he could start the Glitch, but you’d never actually land Mighty Punish because it was awful last game. The only reason we even use it now is because it has invul frames. In Vanilla? Absolutely no reason to use it. As for out of the glitch, sure but what could he do compared to the game’s best?
The ability to kill off of one touch (and be hella meter positive doing so) took away the advantage of his health and the advantage of his higher than average damage.
His Strikes charged slower so his ability to compete against things like Lariat and Missiles was also lower.
Every reason Thor is actually able to compete in Ultimate did not exist in Vanilla. There was absolutely no reason to use him over other characters other than just liking him. But other than that, he had no niche.
Well he could compete (i got the cosmic lord no-life title on xbox live with hsien-ko, dorm, thor lol) but not at high level play, since everybody at high level play always aim for the most cheap stuff. vanilla wolvie/akuma teams wrecked my team 10-2, 10-1 everyday as well as other cheap teams (derpserker slash going through golden sempu bu and chaotic flame was utter BS). I dont even think Thor could do charged smash H relaunch’s in vanilla… Ammy coldstar SSS drop as well. It was all hitconfirm, j.mmh strike M tornado, DHC to stalking flare and kill for me, or sempu bu combo extensions with smash H…
He could do FC H Smash Relaunches I’m sure…but to actually land the damn Smash was like a 1 frame link.
haha yeah