Roger Federer vs Rafael Nadal in the first round of Wimbledon. That’s how this thread would organize it
Osirun made it sound differently, and honestly the video does too. You’ll have to excuse us for raising an eyebrow to the matter. The video doesn’t have anyone saying “oh the bracket changed that’s BS” its basically goes “I don’t want to fight so and so”. Two different things.
Having you come in and actually defend yourself leads me to believe a level of legitimacy to your claim, but the evidence doesn’t really weigh in your favor either.
So unless Osirun mixed stuff up BEFORE that first clip happened and that is what the issue was then fair enough, but again, the language being spoken does lead me (personally) to believe it.
There’s no way Wong can defend himself, he knows what he did.
Too bad the issue here is Rafael Nadal demanding to play Tomas Berdych instead of Roger Federer in the semi finals because he’s friends with Roger.
Assuming what Wong said is true:
In Mvc3, the winner of Pool 1 fought Pool 3 so he assumed Pool 1 in SF4 would also fight Pool 3.
So in SSF4 it would have been Wong v Inthul and PR v Wolf
However the brackets are mutually exclusive and don’t necessarily have to follow the same protocol but it would be silly for them not to.
Osirun ran a very good tournament and I know he has been under a lot of stressed organizing this tourney and having the name brand EVO under his tournament. But the truth of the matter is that I did bitch because the bracket changed. I know it has not been said in the video, but that is just the matter of the truth. The only person who could defend me is the TO.
I understand that, but there are people in this thread who don’t want any form of seeding and would prefer everything to be randomly generated. I understand where you are coming from once it reaches a certain point though. Inthul could have said something if he was really against it.
Any changes to the Top 8 bracket were made by me. I had gone through a couple of drafts before deciding on the final bracket, and again this is based upon my original notion that Top 8 brackets could be seeded like any other. No changes were made after the Top 8 matches were underway.
In regards to the coin toss, I watched the video to make sure my recollection wasn’t faulty. We decided to flip a coin because it would not be right to simply place Inthul versus Justin, as Spooky affirmed on stream, but Justin needed to play either Inthul or Wolfkrone since PR Balrog was the other top seed on the Winner’s side of Top 8. Inthul and Wolfkrone did not match up regionally with either Justin or PR Balrog, hence the coin toss.
This all hinges on the assumption that seeding Top 8 Bracket is appropriate.
For anyone just joining this conversation, my first response is here:
EDIT: Response to MvC3 Top 8:
Justin vs fLoE in Round 1 of Top 8 Winners Bracket was changed by me. I seeded them away from each other because of the 4 people in Winners Bracket, they were the top 2 seeds in my opinion based off of results such as WNF where they would consistently get top 2 against tough CA competition. The fact that they both come from CA also influenced my decision from a regional seeding standpoint.
That’s true for the guy who wins the whole thing. If you go undefeated and win the tournament through the winners bracket then yeah, it doesn’t matter much. But if your whole argument is “the best guy will just go undefeated and win the tournament,” then why do you care about seeding again?
The whole double-elimination tournament is pretty efficient at determining the best player overall. Even top 8 is pretty accurate as far as I know, but further out the rankings get sketchier.
Seeding is a trick you can use to ensure more accurate results. Imagine you random seed a tournament and the #2 guy gets a bad bracket. He plays #1 first round and loses. In losers he plays #3, has a bad day, and loses again. He just went 0-2 and finished in last place. The whole point of seeding is to minimize the chances of that happening and give better results overall.
Yeah, you need a decent system to establish the seeds. But this community is still relatively small. If Mike Ross and Marn randomly showed up to one of Michigan’s local events, it’s pretty obvious that you shouldn’t put them up against Wolfkrone and Banana Ken in the first round.
Of course I’m pretty sure we run a random bracket anyway, so whatever I guess.
Also you might say “nobody pays out past top 8 anyway so who cares.” And, well, I guess I just have to shrug at that.
. . . not what it sounded like to me, based on your other two posts.
SF4 happened before MVC3. Scheduled match for MVC3 was Jwong vs Floe but was changed to Jwong vs PR Rog/Floe vs Noel Brown. Whether it was Floe, Jwong or the TO that made the change is unknown. What we do know is that they swapped players around so that Jwong didn’t fight Floe “early” in top 8.
When I start going to tourneys I wouldnt want to play someone I know early in the tourney I dont know jwong any top player really but I’ll play who ever I have no problem playin I would be mad if they changed the brackets I would get kinda annoyed if they change it an its like a 7-3 match-up but seeding eh Iam too new to this so I dont really know but I dont think justin has a problem fighting anyone
We play swiss in card games. It’s a much better way of doing tournaments than double elimination. It makes sure nothing stupid like double jeopardy happens, it makes it okay to lose once so you won’t have to worry about seeding, it’s faster, and so much more.
I was banned for favoritism, the pairings were always fine. I beat someone who is pretty much the Justin Wong of yugioh then got DQ’d and banned the round after right before I was going to be guaranteed Top32. Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D’s TRADING CARD GAME Round 8 Feature Match: Honorable Billy Brake vs. Arthur Pisko
JWong was not in a position to criticize your drafts. Given they were “drafts”, why did anyone but the organizers have access to them? On top of that, from JWong’s point of view he was about to start the match vs PR Balrog, literally almost sitting down to play. Suddenly there are last minute changes. I understand you are the organizer and while the methodology is debatable, you were still trying to keep the best interests in mind. BUT, JWong was singing an entirely different tune with “I would rather play Inthul”. Like Spooky said, of course he would rather play with Inthul.
Unless there’s a VERY good reason (the integrity of the tournament being at stake, or major problems in the bracket), other players should never affect how brackets are formed. That’s entirely YOUR call, and as late in as top 8, it’s a PRIVILEGE to not have to play your friends or demons that far in. I know Spooky must be mortified that he ended up making a relatively objective but still sub-par decision in the process to make up for this, it should have NEVER gotten to that in the first place, and Justin should have never had any say in the matter, the same way any other player in the tournament shouldn’t have a say in the bracket placements.
Not true. From what I can tell, that’s the main reason why swiss and round-robin formats are rarely used in anything but smaller tournaments. They just require too many matches to run most of the time.
Haha…oh man, I was right behind the players the entire last day on the stream…what a day
Highlights:
PR Rog walking away from his match to stick issues(?) and then floe using the same stick right afterwards with no problems
‘The Professional’ Slamming his stick on the stream table and then throwing his headphones on the ground/knocking another stick over as he stormed off after his loss
“…I just want points”
Swiss doesn’t work in fighting game tournaments because you can’t run all the matches at the same time. You’d need way more stations than is possible to fit in the venue to run it that way.
In TCGs, you just need 2 seats and a table. That’s why it works.
Noel I didn’t make it a big deal because I don’t need to do such things to make myself feel better but I talked to osirion before the match to clarify because the website said 2 out of 3 and you guys played off 3 out of 5. When we started the match I told you and you nodded to me as if it was ok until you lost. I got webster and he told me it was 2 out of 3 then got cold feet by your bitching. I honestly didn’t care because I came to play street fighter not throw a hissy fit, so I tried to man up my fault.
Don’t drop my name as if you knew what I did ok? Atleast keits apologized and told me it was fucked up and wrong. You guys knew what happened I just felt I could really be better than the sitution when it all turned sour.
I’m on my cell phone so its hard to edit but it went before the match I made sure it was 2/3 like the website said at the front desk. You agreed with me till it was a problem then I got webster and he fucked up; if anything two parties shouldn’t able to agree at a tourney to change rules winners finals should of never been 3/5 I had no consent at all for a 3/5 losers finals.
If you watch the second video, there were murmurs that you and Floe were complaining that you had to fight each other in the MvC3 bracket. Also, the SSFIV top 8 took place before the MvC3 top 8, so I’m not sure what you mean by saying you should have fought Inthul because you fought PR Rog in MvC3…
DAT YOMI B)
Color me confused. The only way for both of you to be telling the truth is for Justin to have had access to brackets before they were finalized, discovered they were changed just before his match (in his mind last minute) and asked for them to be changed. It’s nice to see the T.O. falling on his sword but odd to see Justin pushing him deeper on it.
fruityryu just summed everything up perfectly.