How would you re-balance Third Strike?

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I think think stun gun is a pretty cool guy. eh stuns stunned scrubs and doesnt afraid of anything.

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his username makes the post.

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  • Regarding Stun Gun, I’m still waiting for Sanchez to release the full series.

  • failfail: I beg of you to read and think about Tebbo’s last post. If you’re going to select a Super, you had better know and take advantage of its strengths. Hyper Bomb isn’t not viable for tournament play, but many players over the years have taken into consideration the advantages Boomerang Raid gives to Alex’s overall playstyle. There is a reason why Dudley players choose SA3 more than SA1 while both still being tourney viable.

Third Strike: Needs moar Cable. That’d COMPLETELY rebalance the game! :smiley:

Okay, where exactly did i say that i use Hyper Bomb when i am using Alex?
I prefer Stun Gun over Hyper Bomb, but SA2 still is his best super overall for me.
Also i wouldn’t say that Hyper Bomb is not viable for tournament play just because most Alex players use SA2. Didn’t people say something like this about Denjin not too long ago?

Okay, i think i already said stuff like “You can just jump and escape Hyper Bomb” but the real problem is that i can’t make up more points about changing things when there are no more than those that have already been said. You understand my problem? The problem with Hyper Bomb is that, for me, the fact that you can jump out of it and how much more detailed could i describe this problem? If you want me to give detailed reasons about other changes, i can give them to you but i think we both know how it would turn out. “It has already been said, you are just repeating.” It would propably be a comparison about what character A can do compared to character B, C, D… and so on. Like, there are 6 characters with a command grab that can’t be blocked (grab supers not included). Out of those 6 characters 5 can grab a crouching opponent with their command grab. They can set up a combo, sometimes even into super. Just this one dude can’t do any of this. It will whiff on a crouching opponent and even if it hits it is “only” a knockdown, no combo, no super.
I know he still has his Powerbombs but i think they have been discussed enough.

Remys SA3 has no single flaw? Seriously? I don’t even want to go into detail, but do you always manage to connect every hit with it. Or at least 50%? EX moves? Forget them. Really, Remys SA3 was like the worst example you could use. No offense.

You mean the range of Hyper Bomb? Well, maybe they decide to make it a bit like Hugos SA2. lp has more range but slower startup, mp medium range with medium startup and hp short range with fast startup but that would propably be too complex for them to achieve.

How the hell can you compare the viability of denjin to hyper bomb? They’re nothing alike and like it or not denjin actually is useful. Hyper bomb, for the most part, is not.

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You mean bad as in good, right?

Thank your for proving my point. I’m not sure if it was Denjin or some other super, but i think i can remember some people saying a certain super sucks not too long ago and now they changed their mind and it even has its own fanboys. Basically what i said was “You can use Hyper Bomb in tournaments and be successful” and “Some super that is or has been seen as weak or at least weaker than the alternative is used in tournaments”. There are Yun players for example that use SA2 even tho he has Genei Jin. Does this automatically make the SA2 users bad players? Nope.

That’s all i said. “Hyper Bomb is viable for tournament play”. Does this mean it’s better than his SA2? Nope, never said that. You see, the problem is that everyone tells you what to do and how to play so nobody gives a shit about trying new stuff. I know that this is not 100% true but for the most part it is. People just dont give a fuck and pick Kens SA3 or Yuns Genei Jin because everyone does. But once in a while some dude decides to fuck that and just do what he wants to do and just like that we have Kens using SA2 against Q or Ryus using Denjin. Just like when Gamerbee showed up, all those kids started playing Adon. Then Justin beat Gamerbees ass with the worst character and suddenly Makotos. Everywhere. ( Now that i said that the SF4 haters can join in too).

I never said Denjin is better than Hyper Bomb or the other way round, i said they are both viable for tournament play.

Ok a rebalance is not going to happen simply because the time and effort is not worth the risk especially since 3rd strike was considered a commercial failure and history can repeat itself. Also it would split up the community, I think a rebalanced version released in the arcade MIGHT have a chance at being succesful. I doubt this is a chance that capcom would want to take. However I will contribute some ideas for the hell of it. I just want to clear the air and say Im a noob at 3rd strike and have only just started playing as ryu (yes Im well aware ken is better but i like ryu) but I’ll give some suggestions for him.

Normals

Increase the hitstun on jumping fierce - Just a by little bit. To combo with a jump in requires you to hit pretty deep (chest level?). I’m not saying his toes should nip your hair and you be in hitstun for 30 seconds, just a little improvement thats all.

**Crouching fierce kick recovery is faster **- Nothing too major just make a slight buff on recovery.

Specials

**Fireballs **- like the ex version the normal ones unless parried knock you down when your in the air instead of reset. Slightly faster recovery too to improve his zoning game.

ex hurricane kick - sucks you in more it doesnt have to be as good as 2nd impact just better than it is now.

**ex side kick **- slightly faster start up and recovery. Maybe the very tip of the foot is safe on block?

Combos

ex side kick - can be connected from crouching medium kick. If anyone thinks this is too powerful maybe nerf the ex side kick damage?

Supers

**Give ryu 6 ex stocks instead of 5 and a half for SA1 **- His game basically revolves around ex moves from what I understand. Surely one more ex couldnt hurt.

**Give sa1 a little invincibility **- Im not trying to encourage a player to not hit confirm their supers but it seems like some characters e.g like chun pokes seem to consistantly beat his. You should be able to punish someone likes abusing pokes also maybe slightly faster startup?

**Denjin longer bar **- same as sa1 but same build up & more ex basically to give an incentive to keep using it and not abandon it for sa1 because of the extra ex stock.

SA2 - Honestly I hardly ever use this super I wouldnt know what to do without making it seem broken. Maybe the same amount of ex stock, builds up faster with the same length as sa1? I’d still want people to have some sort of incentive to use instead of ignoring it.

These are my reccomendations if the game was to have a complete overhaul and every character got rebalanced. I dont think it would be neccesary though probably just make slight adjustments to the top tiers and bottom tiers would suffice.
I tried to make some buffs but keep the same playstyle and would be happy if just a couple of these buffs happened. Imo ryu just feels like a nerfed ken at the moment but I aint complaining im sure other characters have it worse. I’d like to hear your feedback good or bad based on my suggestions.

Technically any super can be used in a tournament successfully, but you’d have to be a fool not to realize certain supers have very real limitations.

Also, what you say about people changing their opinion on supers and stuff means nothing ultimately, because even now it’s entirely possible (though unlikely admittedly) that they may change their opinion back. It’s entirely possible, again though unlikely, that chun may be seen as a shit tier character at some point. The point is, these are just opinions. They’re very subjective to change.

Quick question though, why is it low tier whores always care so much about what other people think of them lol?

I know about the limitations of certain super, but it is a fact that you can just jump out of Hyper Bomb. It’s not like you don’t have enough time to do so. Personally i would say that for a grab super that is a very very severe limitation. It pretty much limits it to a punishing super and that is something i got some kind of a problem with. I mean even with Alex fast dash you would have to play someone who can’t react to a dash or play online. Even if you manage to dash in without eating a mp, cr.mk or whatever he still has enough time during the “super freeze” (dunno what it’s called) and during Alex “YOU CAN’T ESCAPE” to just jump.

I mean there are a few characters that have a jump that has more than 3 frames, but just for shits and giggles let me list them.

Q
Twelve
Remy
Alex
Oro
Necro
Hugo
Urien

Alex dash has 14 frames + 3 frames if you immediately Hyper Bomb, thats 17 frames for the whole process.

Dunno, i don’t main a low tier. Maybe they want recognition about how hard they have to work to win.

If you could spend just a moment pulling your head out of your ass and realize you’re misreading shit left and right people might bother to listen to what you said.

Aku said ISN’T NOT. DOUBLE NEGATIVE.

I said Remy’s SA3 is awful UNLIKE Alex’s SA1 vs SA2. There’s nothing horrible about SA1 it just isn’t as versatile as SA2. If you knew ANYTHING about the game you would have read what I said, interpreted it as you did (lol) and then realize that makes absolutely no sense at all if you continue to actually read the sentence.

Was my sentence explicitly clear? No. Am I writing a high school essay? No. Should you be able to infer based on context? Yes you should and didn’t, I think this is the second time now.

I have tried to be reasonable but there is no discussion to be had.

Lol, what kind of retard would honestly do dash in sa1? Having said that i’d use it at times when people might go for a hitconfirm or something, like say as part of a mixup after a reset.

Also, I like how you completely ignored the other point in my previous post.

You are right, i didn’t read this one sentence carefully enough.
At least i gave you a reason to use CAPS and big letters.

You never mentioned Alex in those 3 sentences and guess what, Remys SA2 is also more versatile as his SA3, at least that is what i guess, but then again what do i know, i don’t know anything about this game. Would it really be that hard to write: “This isn’t like Remy’s counter super which is essentially useless against someone with half a brain.** Hyper Bomb** has no single flaw that makes it awful it’s just not as all around versatile as SA2.” I’m gonna ignore the fact that Hyper Bomb actually has a big flaw this time.

Good job.

I think something about Alex fast dash and using Hyper Bomb in combination with the latter has been said a few posts ago.

What point? That people might change their opinion and consider Chun shit tier or “Worst rap ever.”?