How to Stop Worrying and Love the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth - The Ultimate Doctor Strange Thread

serpentaurus · April 3, 2012, 2:28am

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So i finally uploaded a TC video featuring Thor/Strange/Ammy, includes a preview for some of the best THC technology that there is.

BEWARE, the quality is not as good as the original, Youtube rushed the whole thing with the codecs compression, etc. but i’m done with editing and youtube for this week. The Strange stuff starts at min 0:50.

TimTim · April 3, 2012, 3:27am

Damn that makes me want to use ammy

DominicanFury · April 3, 2012, 7:40pm

awesome synergy! good stuff.

Sketchspace · April 3, 2012, 9:49pm

Leaving this link here from the front page:
http://shoryuken.com/2012/04/03/umvc3-throwing-through-block-stun/#disqus_thread

Dr. Strange has plenty of ways to keep an opponent in blockstun when an opponent comes in, so I try for the throw when the opponent’s blocking an Eye of Agomatto. Something to make Dr. Strange even more cheap.

maziodyne · April 11, 2012, 6:03pm

I thought I’d quote my post from my local scene’s forums. I don’t play Marvel anymore, but I hope this helps any beginner/intermediate Strange players.

On maneuverability:
Like I said before, Strange is not your typical rushdown character. He CAN rushdown in a sense that it’s possible for your opponent to be put in mixup after mixup, all leading into a ton of meter and damage. That’s the “Marvel” definition of rushdown: being downright OPPRESSIVE. Stange has that, but he needs time to set-up. That’s why I don’t like him on point position because he just straight up loses to the majority of popular point characters. Personally, I don’t like dashing forward and hitting cr.L like you normally would with a character like Wesker or Magneto (anyone with a good wavedash and a low-hitting cr.L, really). That just gets you into bad situations because Strange is ironically VERY weak to up-close-and-personal rushdown with little to no escape options (7 Rings has invincibility on startup, but for you to be able to beat something like Bionic Arm, you a very fast projectile super like Hailstorm immediately after Strange).

So in essence, I’m pretty much playing a gimped FChamp-style defensive Dormammu most of the time. Smart Daggers of Denak M placements, Eye of Agamotto out at all times, Mystic Sword M for chip and fireball wars (which you SHOULD win; no reason you shouldn’t, given all the zoning tools Strange has) occasional teleport + horizontal assist to apply pressure, mixup, and force the opponent to block, giving you some breathing room. Try doing TK stuff too in both the neutral game and for mixups. TK M Daggers, call assist, TK M Daggers, EoA makes Strange put a TON of projectiles on-screen that will make it very difficult for your opponent to move around. I demonstrated TK Flight in the video as well, which is essentially cutting out the rising/floaty part of Strange’s Flight when used from the ground. This makes it faster and harder for your opponent to see.

On assists:
Horizontal assists are a MUST, especially the ones that leave the opponent stationary (for confirming into Impact Palm crumples) and don’t cause ground roll state upon contact. IMO, Strange without a horizontal assist backing him up is like Doom without a foot dive. Notable ones are the following:

Hawkeye: Greyhound (Triple Arrow)

Taskmaster: Legion Arrow (Horizontal Shot)

Zero: Hadangeki (WAY better in Sougenmu)

Dante: Weasel Shot

Trish: Low Voltage

Sentinel: Drones

Amaterasu: Cold Star

Captain America: Shield Slash (slow, but tricky and pulls your opponent out of the corner)

Beam assists like Disruptor and Plasma Beam are also workable, but you will end up with less damage and meter because you can’t detonate red Graces midscreen at the beginning of the combo; no Impact Palm crumple.

From here, once you’ve narrowed down your choice of a horizontal assist, you’ll need to narrow your options down further depending on where you put Strange in your team.

On point:

Vertical/anti-air assists such as Hidden Missiles, Jam Session, and Strider’s Vajra help with zoning, lockdown, and in the case of Vajra, Trish-style up-back zoning. Also deals with pesky Weskers that like doing super jump, gun, teleport down, repeat. You can then confirm a Vajra hit into Spell of Vishanti, then XF cancel into your ToD combo of choice. Strange has a least 8 of those in XF2/3. No lie.

GTFO assists like Lariat, Shopping Cart, LOG TRAP!, and Akuma’s Tatsu to keep pressure off Strange. Good vs. the many rushdown characters Strange does not like fighting up-close, and you can easily confirm into Palm loops.

2nd spot:

Personally, I like putting Strange in second with Bolts assist. The point character then is usually one with a teleport of some sort like Zero, Dante, Dorm, or Wesker. Eye of Agamotto is also usable but Bolts is Strange’s best assist IMO. Essentially, you’ll want the same assist types backing up Strange after a DHC, which are vertical and horizontal assists. The anchor character doesn’t necessarily have to have good DHC synergy with Strange, because what’s more important is if the assist can complement BOTH the point character of your choice and Strange. The team I played last, Zero/Strange/Dante, is a good example of this. Sometimes I’ll end my Zero combo with Sougenmu into SoV if I know Rekkoha into SoV is overkill; this way, I get double Hadangeki for mixups and a ton of added damage. Strange/Zero (on Sougenmu)/Dante (Jam Session) then basically gives you your bread-and-butter point Strange team setup, with Zero’s assist getting even stronger thanks to Sougenmu.

A_Member_of_STARS · April 17, 2012, 4:55am

simple question really, just wondering if Strange is a meter dependant character…and does he have a good zoning game. Like…can I drop a bnb where the finishing super should be and still be in good position for zoning / etc. Thanks yall

mozart0341 · April 18, 2012, 11:02pm

Its good for strange to have meter so he can punish mistakes, Dr strange is designed to shut down zoning his mystic sword has high durability and his FoF regular no glyph eats up beams his light DoD has fast start up so you can jump over your opponents projectile and shoot them it will force then to come to you then pay attention to see a mistake when they are trying to close in and look to see if they are going to use an assist to close in then punish with the seven rings or the pillar. what i like to do is shoot the mystic sword M followed by a FOF that will make it nearly impossible to out zone you.

X_Sword · April 27, 2012, 8:21am

yo…why the f**k aren’t people using the Strange One? I just started to use him a few days ago(in the lab), but wow. people who zone should have a lot of trouble with this character…

mozart0341 · April 27, 2012, 10:17am

I know right, hes designed to win all zoning wars, i dont like to use him online cuz the lag make his most basic loops impossible to connect but offline i love using him.

mozart0341 · April 27, 2012, 11:50am

Wow i was looking for this thanks.

mozart0341 · April 27, 2012, 11:54am

you gave up marvel? thats sad to hear

insanelee · April 28, 2012, 11:04pm

god strange sucks, but i want to make hin work. at least both my teams are shitty so i dont feel too bad when i pick him.

tortonon · April 29, 2012, 6:54am

Well, I’m still trying. This is my new team with our beloved sorcerer. Hope you guys like it.

@Ryan I tried to go purification, its just not for me though. Dorm is a beast.
@Serpentaurus I gave up on Ammy too. I think I can make this team work, so who knows, I’ll keep it going at least for now

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serpentaurus · April 29, 2012, 9:43am

Nice work. I also play a Magneto / Doom (missiles) / Dorm (black hole) team. Dorm has some nasty +1000k combos when aided by the missiles and dark spells. I could make a vid, but i’m still working on my scrubby Magneto

And too bad you didn’t give a better chance to Ammy, she is so good with Strange…

tortonon · April 29, 2012, 4:45pm

I will do Serpenaturus, I promise But Dorm is SOOO siiick :3
Now that you’ve mentioned, I just noticed that I forgot to record the 2D1C combo from my team which goes over 1mil

insanelee · April 30, 2012, 12:20pm

need to get more comfortable with strange. hulk/strange/sent is fun and works surprisingly well.

maziodyne · April 30, 2012, 12:22pm

Strange/RR sounds VERY interesting as well. He can confirm off Log Trap easily into straight IP loops.

insanelee · May 1, 2012, 7:06am

how do i get better with straaaange. i suppose i just gotta play more patient. he doesnt get much practice so i tend to panic a bit.

maziodyne · May 1, 2012, 7:08am

Since PR Rog’s playing RR, maybe you can try out Log Trap too? It could work really well though, seriously.

insanelee · May 1, 2012, 10:12am

drones really help both hulk/strange. log only really helps strange and is whatever for hulk. i rather have drones.