How to Squash Your Meat: Hugo Match Up Thread

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Overall Strategy for Hugo:
Quote from Combofiend Hugo Overview video: Hugo should be played as a rush down character always in your opponent face, and making them think twice about doing certain moves.

Things to Learn:
How To Catch wake up Backdash’s with EX & Heavy Shootdown Backbreaker
How To Avoid Fireballs with Flying Knee Attack & HP ELBOW
How To Kara Ultra Throw correctly | LP.Clap Canceled in to Ultra Throw

Characters

• Abel

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Punishes:
Mix Up Roll is Punishable by Ultra Throw.
Light Wheel Kick up Close Punishable by S/C.Light Kick xx H.Giant Palm Bomber,M.Giant Palm Bomber,L.Giant Palm Bomber Or Other Various
C.Light Kick Combo. M. And Heavy Wheel Kick Also punishable by Shootdown Backbreaker [/details]when able leaves the ground.

• Adon

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Punishes:
Jaguar Kick:
Close Range On Block: Punish with with Moonsalt Press or C.Light/S.Light Kick xx Into Clap Combo
Note: If you time it Correctly, Heavy Jaguar Kick also get beat clean by Shootdown Backbreaker. As soon as
you hear Adon Jaguar Kick noise or see him hit the wall your response should be a Heavy ShootDown Backbreaker
If time correctly, Hugo will beat it clean grabbing Adon out of the air.[/details]

• Akuma

• Balrog (Boxer)

Spoiler

Punishes:
Rush Punch & EX:
-On Block: Moonsalt Press

Headbutt:
-On Block:Moonsalt Press or BNB Clap Combo

Set Ups:
Meaty Clap OS Ex BB
-Beats Ex Headbutt
-Safe Meaty
-Ex Armor moves will beat any meaty attempt[/details]

• Blanka

Spoiler

Punishes:
All Slides On Block
-Moonsalt Press

Blanka Balls On Block:
-HP Clap & MP Clap
-C.LP Stuff Blanka Balls

• Cammy

• Chun-Li

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HP (Elbow) Stops J.HK

Spinning Bird Kick On Block:

  • C./S.Light Kick xx BNB Clap Combo
  • HP Clap xx MP Clap xx Light Punch Clap or Other Various Clap Combos.
  • C./S.Light Kick xx Lariet

Fireballs
-D,D,MK To Avoid
-EX Lariet to avoid and punish if time correctly

• Cody

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Punishes:

Set Ups:
Lariat, Empty Jump DD+Mk
-Trades with Ex Criminal
-Passes through Zonk to give free punish and if it doesn’t it’s safe
-Gets hit by U2 but falls out for a punish[/details]

• C. Viper

Spoiler

Punishes:
Reg Burn Kick on Block:SPD
Note:If They Use Wake Up Burn Kick on Hugo you can easily stop regular burn kick with ShootDown Backbreaker on wakeup

Set Ups:
Credit:ShADoW_NoBODy
Meaty Cr.HK on her wake and it will beat most of her options.
Wins: Ex Seismo/Ex Seismo Feint, Burn Kick, Super, Ultra 1, Back dash, Jump
Trades: Ex Burn Kick, Hp Thunder Knuckle
Loses:Focus attack/Focus Backdash, Blocking
Ex Seismo and LP Thunder knuckle can beat it out depending on your timing. As long as you’re not doing it too early. If you do it too early Ex Seismo will hit you and LP Thunder Knuckle will pass right under and beat it. [/details]

• Dan

• Decapre

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L.M.H.EX Psycho Sting -> H.Clap
L.M.H.EX Psycho Sting FAFC Forward -> H.SPD/EXUT
Spiral Arrow -> Depends on placement but you can get a MS if it’s horribly placed
EX Spiral Arrow -> Depends on placement but you can get a H.SPD if it’s horribly placed
L.Rapid Dagger -> M.SPD
M.Rapid Dagger -> M.SPD/EXUT
H. Rapid Dagger -> H.SPD/EXUT
Scramble L/EX, RES-> L.MS/UT
Scramble M.H, Break -> L.MS/UT
Scramble EX, Break -> UT (L.MS only works Point Blank)
Scramble CS -> Depends on placement but you can get a MS if it’s horribly placed
Target Combo 1 s.MP S.HK-> UT
Target Combo 2 s.MP s.HP -> L.clap/UT if close enough.
Fox Tail (df.MK Overhead) -> H.SPD
Super -> H.clap
U1 (Psycho Stream) -> If you opponent isn’t very bright and does this next to you, you can EX UT or H.SPD him out of it.
U2 (DCM Ground) -> H.clap
U2 (DCM AA) -> U2/H.clapPunishers
L.M.H.EX Psycho Sting -> H.Clap
L.M.H.EX Psycho Sting FAFC Forward -> H.SPD/EXUT
Spiral Arrow -> Depends on placement but you can get a MS if it’s horribly placed
EX Spiral Arrow -> Depends on placement but you can get a H.SPD if it’s horribly placed
L.Rapid Dagger -> M.SPD
M.Rapid Dagger -> M.SPD/EXUT
H. Rapid Dagger -> H.SPD/EXUT
Scramble L/EX, RES-> L.MS/UT
Scramble M.H, Break -> L.MS/UT
Scramble EX, Break -> UT (L.MS only works Point Blank)
Scramble CS -> Depends on placement but you can get a MS if it’s horribly placed
Target Combo 1 s.MP S.HK-> UT
Target Combo 2 s.MP s.HP -> L.clap/UT if close enough.
Fox Tail (df.MK Overhead) -> H.SPD
Super -> H.clap
U1 (Psycho Stream) -> If you opponent isn’t very bright and does this next to you, you can EX UT or H.SPD him out of it.
U2 (DCM Ground) -> H.clap
U2 (DCM AA) -> U2/H.clap[/details]

• Dee Jay

• Dhalsim

• Dudley

details=SpoilerPunishes:
Machine Gun Blow On Block:Meat Squasher or Moonsalt Press
Uppercut: On Block: Shootdown Backbreaker, or C,Light/S.Light xxx BnB Clap Combo or can start off with HP Clap Instead.

Set Up that work:
cr hp , dash in to hp clap whiff, EX ultra throw(can not walk or jab out of it)[/details]

• E. Honda

details=Spoiler Punishes:
Credit:Angerus
HP Headbutt is punishable by Super and sometimes reversal LP Clap
Far EX Headbutt is punishable by light normals, cr.MP and Kara EX UT. Cancelling into L.Lariat as a punish only works from cr.LK.
Close EX Headbutt is punishable by light normals, cr.MP, Ultra 1, all spds and ultra throws if stand blocked.
Close EX Headbutt is punishable by light normals, cr.MP, Ultra 1, LP, MP, EX spd and EX Ultra throw if crouch blocked.

All buttslams are punishable by Ultra 1, LP, MP and HP SPD.
If you stand block buttslams while they’re descending, they can be -4 to -5, making it also punishable by cr.jab, EX SPD and EX UT.

Honda’s s.HK poke (-6 on block, -2 on hit) is punishable by cr.LP, st.LP and cr.LK on block and Ultra 1 on hit (spacing dependent).

Set Ups:
Meaty Clap OS Ex BB
-Beats Ex Headbutt, Ex Ochio, Ex Buttslam
-Safe Meaty

• Elena

• El Fuerte

• Evil Ryu

details=SpoilerHurricane Kick: C.MP stops Hurricane Clean. On Block:Moonsalt Press
Shoryuken: On Block: Moonsalt Press or C.Light/S.Light Kick xxx BNB Clap Combo(Universal for all shotos)[/details]

• Fei Long

Spoiler

Reckas on Block
-SPD Or C.Light Kick xx BNB Clap

Flame Kick on Bloc
-Moonsalt Press
-ShootDown Backbreaker

• Gen

• Gouken

• Guile

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Punishes
Flash Kick On Block
-BNB Clap Com
bo
-Moonsalt Press
-S./L.Kick xx Lariat

C.HK(DBL Sweep)On Block
-C.HK
-HP (Elbow)
-C./S.Light xx BNB Clap Combo[/details]

• Guy

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Bushin Flip: His regular flip off the wall can be caught by Heavy ShootDown Backbreaker
Bushin Senpukyaku is punish by C.Light/S.Kick xx BNB Clap Combo Note:Guy get push to far for SPD
Bushin Neck Flip: Get beat Clean by S.HP (Elbow) as soon as you see his kick or him flip in the air hit
HP
Bushin Shadow Kick -C.Light/S.Light Kick xx BNB Clap Combo

Note: I played a good guy online and this is what I was able to do with him.[/details]

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  • Bushin flip/elbow can be punished by spd on block
    Note: If close enough Heavy Shootdown backbreaker as he hit the wall free
    punish
  • same for hozanto’s ex/hp/mp punish with spd
  • hozanto lp is -1 on block so U1 should be fine[/details]

• Hakan

details=SpoilerPunishes:
Hakan Tackle + Hakan 360 Dive (Use Ex ShootDown Backbreaker right after you block their tackle as Hugo
will be invincible and hop in to the air to catch hakan dive)Note:Only high rated hakan know the hakan vortex.
So don’t do this unless u see him trying this reset constantly.

All Slide on Block: Can be punish with Moonsalt Press or The more damaging Combo of C.Light Kick/S.Light Kick xx Clap Combo

Hakan Vortex can not be punished. Hakan hands down win everytime.
Note: His moves were to slow when I try to mix him up with hakan. Everything got beat even EX BackBreaker so try not to get trapped in the vortex.[/details]

• Hugo

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Lariat On Block: Moonsalt Press or BNB Clap combo
Claps on Block: Throw or Moonsalt Press?[/details]

• Ibuki

details=SpoilerPunishes:
Ultra II On Block-HP Clap xx MP Clap xx Light Punch Clap or Moonsalt Presss[/details]

• Juri

• Ken

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Shoryuken: The BNB C.Light/S,Light Kick xx Clap Combo or ShootDown BackBreaker
Hurricane Kick On Block: SPD or S.Light Kick xx Clap Combo (C.Light always got stop by a throw)

Note: Avoid Fireballs with Flying Knee Attack(D,D,MK) Or S.HP[/details]

• Makoto

Hayates:

  • On Block:All Versions Hp SPD/U1 punishable
    -Level 1 versions of Lp/Mp/Hp Hayates are Cr.Lp xx Lk Lariat punishable
    -Lp/Mp Hayates UT Punishable
    -Hp/Ex Ex UT punishable

Axe Kicks
-On Block:SPD/U1 punishable

All Oroshis
-On Block: Ex UT/SPD/U1 punishable[/details]

• M. Bison (Dictator)

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Punishes:

Set Ups:
Meaty Clap OS Ex BB
-This one is really weird because depending on when you input the OS or the spacing you can beat/trade/whiff BB against EX Psycho Crusher
-Beats Ex Devils Reverse
-Can lose or trade with Ex Head Press
-Might not be worth it with all of Bison’s reversal options and just Meaty, block and react.

Lariat, Empty Jump DD+Mk
-Safe meaty
-If you don’t block Ex PC then you should beat it[/details]

•Oni

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Punish:
Hurricane Kick
-C.MP (Stuffs it Clean)
-Moonsalt Press(On Block)

Shoryuken:
-Moonsalt Press
-BNB Clap Combo[/details]

• Poison

Spoiler

Punishes:
Kiss By A Godess:
-On Block: Medium & Heavy Kick Version- HP Clap xx MP Clap xx EX Clap xx LP Clap
Light Punch Version - Moonsalt Press
-Whiffed- ShootDown Backbreaker

Love Me Tender with out grab
-On Block:Medium & Heavy Kick Version- HP Clap xx MP Clap xx EX Clap xx LP Clap
Light Punch Version- Moonsalt Press

Whip Of Love
-On Block: Moonsalt Press

Note: Aelous Edge aka her Fireball can be dodge by D,D,MK but a good zoning poison still will
cause trouble for Hugo

• Rolento

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Punishing Non-EX rolls:

  • I could not connect any medium attacks, if it is possible the timing is very tight
  • cr. lp/lk both work reliably, too far to connect lk lariat though. you’ll still deal more damage than rolento chips
  • st lk is too slow, and st lp goes over his head when he’s recovering
  • reversal BB or U2 both miss, Super is too slow

Punishing EX rolls:

  • he lands further away, so your jabs and cr.mp don’t even reach
  • st. mp is too slow ( or the timing is very tight )
  • cr. lk connects, timing is a little harder than non-EX versions.
  • reversal BB or U2 both miss, Super is too slow

Stuffing Non-EX rolls:

  • if he does it right in your face, you can react to his backflip and get a CH on him, but chances are he won’t be doing it in your face ( same is true for EX )
  • cr.mp, cr.lk, and cr.mk all work, but the timing is tough and trades do not go in your favor in terms of damage ( except for cr.mp )
  • best to just block

Stuffing EX rolls:

  • the timing much harder, the only things I could get to work were cr.lk and cr.mk, both trade in your favor damage-wise, but again the timing is still tough and you’re super prone to getting CH
  • best to just block

Note:

  1. Leap attack works very well to stuff it, and confirms into a lariat knock down if you are on top of your confirms[/details]

• Rose

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Punishes

Set Ups:
Meaty Clap OS Ex SPD
-Beats Ex Spirals (you can also just do meaty claps and block if you don’t want to try and risk a backdash)
-ONE time I had Ex Spd punish backdash but that was a fluke[/details]

• Rufus

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Punishes:

Set Ups:
Meaty Hp Clap OS Ex BB
-Beats Wake up Messiah/Snake strike (because some do it because damage)
-OS doesn’t activate against EX snake strike but you can block it

Lariat, Empty Jump DD+Mk OS Ex BB
-Beats Ex Messiah, Snake strike/Ex SS
-Regular SS gets hit out of the Air. Ex Gets BB
-Safe meaty[/details]

• Ryu

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Tactics:
Fireball Avoiding:Down,Down,MK -Hops over Ryu Fireball also Back+HP Standing Elbow Focus absorb.

Punishes:
Shoryuken: All shoryuken are punishable by ShootDown Backbreaker on Block. Light Shoryuken punishable by S./C,Light Kick xx Clap Combo [/details]

• Sagat

• Sakura

• Seth

• T. Hawk

• Vega (Claw)

Spoiler

Note:
All Vega Wall Dives Can be caught by EX BackBreaker

• Yang

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Punishes:
Dive Kick On Block-Moonsalt Press
UP Kicks - EX ShootDown Backbreaker[/details]

• Yun

details=Spoiler
Punishes:
Dive Kick On Block-Moonsalt Press
UP Kicks - EX ShootDown Backbreaker[/details]

• Zangief

Spoiler

Green Hand On Block:
-Moonsalt Press

I am going to start testing out some punishes for these characters, and guys let’s start putting up tactics were the only forum with out a match up guide.

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Have nothing of note to add other than Hugo against Akuma/Gouken is not fun lol, if someone figures something out here let me know, I like Hugo though despite his struggles, great troll character :stuck_out_tongue:

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For Vega: http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190532/vs-vega-claw

For Yang: http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190531/vs-yang

For Yun: http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190523/vs-yun

For Zangief: http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190522/vs-zangief

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OP you should create separate threads and link to the threads that Reipin is creating.

Also, out of respect for Mr Pavy and Shadow Nobody, you should change the title to How to Squash your meat or How to beat your meat.

One or the other.

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headbutts and balls how do you handle them…

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It would be really nice if other people could help create threads, you can only do two new posts per 5 minutes and I am at work :stuck_out_tongue:

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I think this match will end up being a lot like ZangiefxYun but multiply the patience by 10 (Actually, that may be all Hugos matchups, but nothing wrong with patience!)
ST. HP of course helps but Yun has many armor breakers so you can’t really throw it out much when he’s on the ground, and the number one thing to look out for will be being whiff punished when Yun has 3 meters or more.
I think correct spacing with claps will be important for most non fireball character matchups

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In match-ups I like I would put Viper, Decapre, Grapplers, and Ibuki. These are probably the ones I don’t really ever worry about.

And as I said in another thread vs Viper Hugo can do Cr.HK on her wake and it will beat most of her options.
Wins: Ex Seismo/Ex Seismo Feint, Burn Kick, Super, Ultra 1, Back dash, Jump
Trades: Ex Burn Kick, Hp Thunder Knuckle
Loses:Focus attack/Focus Backdash, Blocking

Ex Seismo and LP Thunder knuckle can beat it out depending on your timing. As long as you’re not doing it too early. If you do it too early Ex Seismo will hit you and LP Thunder Knuckle will pass right under and beat it.

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thanks for the info I added it under c viper and credited you. Able is pretty useless with Hugo his ultra throw autocorrects for me when I tried to do Able mix up where he uses his roll to trick you on wake up.

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We all know that hugo is incredibly susceptible to instant overheads. Whether they are like most instant overheads after a fuzzy or they’re on crouching hugo we’ll punish them.
Character:
-Move| Hit| Block
•Notes

Decapre:

Spoiler

-Jb HP | U2/Ex BB | U2/Ex BB
•Ex BB on hit is corner only

-Jf. HP | Ex/Lk/Mk BB, Jab (airhit

Ryu:[details=Spoiler]
-Jb. Hp | U2 | U2[/details]

Edit: There is probably a better way to do this. I’ll work on how to write it up but for now I’ll just say Ex BB doesn’t actually hit everyone on block or hit, but at it can punish several people even on hit. U2 seems to work on block AND hit for a lot of characters. If someone ever does Jf instant overhead usually EX BB will punish it and it might require a hcb (from current position) to get the bb to come out. U2 will not hit a Jf overhead as they’re right above you.

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**VS. Decapre **
Punishers
L.M.H.EX Psycho Sting -> H.Clap
L.M.H.EX Psycho Sting FAFC Forward -> H.SPD/EXUT
Spiral Arrow -> Depends on placement but you can get a MS if it’s horribly placed
EX Spiral Arrow -> Depends on placement but you can get a H.SPD if it’s horribly placed
L.Rapid Dagger -> M.SPD
M.Rapid Dagger -> M.SPD/EXUT
H. Rapid Dagger -> H.SPD/EXUT
Scramble L/EX, RES-> L.MS/UT
Scramble M.H, Break -> L.MS/UT
Scramble EX, Break -> UT (L.MS only works Point Blank)
Scramble CS -> Depends on placement but you can get a MS if it’s horribly placed
Target Combo 1 s.MP S.HK-> UT
Target Combo 2 s.MP s.HP -> L.clap/UT if close enough.
Fox Tail (df.MK Overhead) -> H.SPD
Super -> H.clap
U1 (Psycho Stream) -> If you opponent isn’t very bright and does this next to you, you can EX UT or H.SPD him out of it.
U2 (DCM Ground) -> H.clap
U2 (DCM AA) -> U2/H.clap

General rambling:
DeCrap is really unsafe on a lot of her shenanigans and if you demonstrate that you have a good defence and know how to punish they’ll have no choice but to try to poke you. s.MK and s.HK are popular. cr.MK works really well against s.MK and s.LK xx clap works when counterhit fishing against s.HK.

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I think the idea is to have a post for each character ( for “endless” discussion ) and then a master post which will link them all

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This is a good idea, much easier than OP needing to update the first post and allows for comment sections to be dedicated to one character…that being said:

DeeJay - http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190573/vs-deejay
Poison - http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190574/vs-poison

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I know this is a very hard matchup for Hugo, and I’m sure A LOT of people would like some help here, so I’ll at least add a few things I’ve picked up here and from experience to get some discussion going:

  • PLAY PATIENTLY; cannot stress this one enough. Mindlessly jumping in and careless EX lariats/meatsquashers will get you killed quickly. Remember all that matters is who wins over 99 seconds, not who kills faster.

  • Ultra 1 seems to be the best choice; a lot of her specials can be punished on block, and in this matchup you really want to get the most bang for your buck

  • Keep in mind she has a Backflip ( like Claw ), which as far as I know does NOT get grabbed by Backbreaker or U2 ( please correct me if I’m wrong about that but I’ve had no luck )

  • As far as pokes go, I’ve had much better luck just sticking to jabs and shorts, the MP’s seem to get beat out or whiff punished a lot, at least in my experience.

I know this isn’t much and both characters are very new so there’s a lot to still be discovered, but hopefully this can help a few of you guys not cringe when you see you’re going up against a Poison

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If you guys make them, I will link them here.

No OP stick around forever and updating a first post with all the new info is time consuming to say the least.

EDIT: I should also say, we did this in the Gouken forums and the matchups no one wanted to discuss drop off the front page (yet can be found through the master thread easy as pie) and the ones people want to discuss have all of the relevant info for a single character in a single thread with no weeding necessary.

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Two matches to get started

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I personally really dislike this match-up because for some reason when I corner deejay I feel he fights better than other zoners there.

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When DeeJay is in the corner, he really needs to commit to something on wakeup, and most of his options are unsafe or get beat by meaty pressure. A smart DeeJay will most likely just block.

It’s probably best to just let him wakeup and maintain footsie pressure keeping him in the corner. Not worth the risk to get over-aggressive when DeeJay really needs to work his way out ( like Guile )

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I believe this is a pretty bad match-up that doesn’t involve projectiles. Hugo absolutely cannot afford to whiff anything.

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Vs Akuma - http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190585/vs-akuma
Vs Balrog - http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/190586/vs-balrog