How should TOs handle the Gem System? (READ THE OP, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BALANCE)

[Kaiten92]

Suppose you let people use the letters A-Z in their password. If there are more than 676 gems total, you need 3-letters per gem for a total of 15-letters in your code. So players would have to memorize some esoteric pattern like: UYH-JHU-KIH-OIU-YHG-PQZ and enter it without mistakes at the gem select screen. If you have many different gem sets like your anti-rufu-throw-tech-set, you have many patterns to memorize. I’m guessing people will come in with sheets of paper with their 10 gem sets written down and have to copy them into the game.

If you consider that it takes 2 minutes already just for people to enter and check their buttons (are people going to do gem-checks, too? GADS), I can easily imagine this taking 5 minutes or more, which leads you to the “need 40% more consoles” option.

I, personally, would like to hear more from Capcom about how they are making the gem system tournament friendly. I understand they’re not designing the system with tournaments in mind, but they must be aware of this problem, and I’d like to hear how they plan to address it.

There’s plenty of ways to make it so that it wouldnt take long (how about good organizing for one?).

[Master_Chibi]

I honestly agree. Every announcement made about this game thus far has made me wonder if they were really designing the game with tournaments in mind. It’s clear that they are not, so it shouldn’t be forced it into a tournament environment just because it is a Capcom game.

That doesn’t make it a bad game, Smash with items or even Test Your Luck in MK9 are easily the most fun I’ve had with fighting games in years.

I just wouldn’t pay money to enter a tournament to win more for either of them at this point.

[Jamp]

Suppose you let people use the letters A-Z in their password. If there are more than 676 gems total, you need 3-letters per gem for a total of 15-letters in your code. So players would have to memorize some esoteric pattern like: UYH-JHU-KIH-OIU-YHG-PQZ and enter it without mistakes at the gem select screen. If you have many different gem sets like your anti-rufu-throw-tech-set, you have many patterns to memorize. I’m guessing people will come in with sheets of paper with their 10 gem sets written down and have to copy them into the game.

If you consider that it takes 2 minutes already just for people to enter and check their buttons (are people going to do gem-checks, too? GADS), I can easily imagine this taking 5 minutes or more, which leads you to the “need 40% more consoles” option.

I, personally, would like to hear more from Capcom about how they are making the gem system tournament friendly. I understand they’re not designing the system with tournaments in mind, but they must be aware of this problem, and I’d like to hear how they plan to address it.

Gem checks? Oh, the nightmares! Still, that’s only considering a huge number of gems, is it not?

Would it work with the around 200 gems we know are in the game?

That doesn’t make it a bad game, Smash with items or even Test Your Luck in MK9 are easily the most fun I’ve had with fighting games in years.

I just wouldn’t pay money to enter a tournament to win more for either of them at this point.

That’s a fair point. If the game ends uncompetitive I’ll just play it for fun since I love the roster. Still, I think it’s too early to judge that.

[Joe_Yabuki]

If the netcode is good enough, I can see myself playing it even if there are no tournaments for it…

[Cryoh]

So, I wonder if we’re going to be required to fill out a “gemlist” before starting a tournament, in order to avoid gem counterpicks.

[Joe_Yabuki]

So, I wonder if we’re going to be required to fill out a “gemlist” before starting a tournament, in order to avoid gem counterpicks.

Gem counterpicks are cool IMO, yet another layer of yomi

[Mic_Witt]

Can we have a “wait and see” option? I don’t think we know enough about them yet.

What he said…

[Cryoh]

Gem counterpicks are cool IMO, yet another layer of yomi

I like the idea of it, but not when people could be doing an extended gem shuffle at the character select screen. That would be a TO’s nightmare.

[Joe_Yabuki]

I like the idea of it, but not when people could be doing an extended gem shuffle at the character select screen. That would be a TO’s nightmare.

Well that would really suck.

Maybe if the game only gives you 10 seconds to pick your gems? You’d have to work on your builds on training mode and know exactly which gems you’re going to pick even before going to Char Select screen.

[KingofSarus]

#StreetFighterxTekkenNOTforEVO2k12

[Hol_Horse]

At EVO we budget about 5 minutes for an SF4 match with 2 minutes for button config between matches. If we need to increase that budget to allow for another 3 minutes for people to choose all their gems, that’s an increase of over 40% in the time it will take to run the tournament, which effectively means we need 40% more consoles to finish on-time. That’s a tall order.

And still you’d have to stretch the schedule since some matches can’t be played simultaneously.
A top 8 on stream would take longer to play, period.

[Tomo009]

Well that would really suck.

Maybe if the game only gives you 10 seconds to pick your gems? You’d have to work on your builds on training mode and know exactly which gems you’re going to pick even before going to Char Select screen.

1 second a gem with hundreds of gems sounds absolutely impossible. It is 5 gems a character right?

[Joe_Yabuki]

Well, they could give us a better button check, so it would already give us some more time.

[Kaiten92]

Well, they could give us a better button check, so it would already give us some more time.

Dat 3SOE button config

[SynikaL]

I’ve heard you pick the Gems before your character? Anyone know if that’s true? Because that would seem to mitigate the potential Gem shuffling for the first match at least.

[blitzfu]

Even if Gems cannot be disabled, Tourney organizers can just create a rule that Gems cannot be placed in slots, ie leave them empty. And if the game forces you to have at least some Gems already placed in the slots, then prolly each character will have a basic combination (or the same combination) and then this could be the tourney standard. However, if the game places the Gems randomly for you, then that would be really stupid.

LOL at Gem Fighter, I never thought this game would end up like this. I can’t friggin’ wait for Tekken x SF now.

[Hecatom]

about using passwords, imo it would be much better to use numbers so if as ponder said you have over 600, you only need to input/search the id number of the gem without to much trouble

That doesn’t make it a bad game, Smash with items or even Test Your Luck in MK9 are easily the most fun I’ve had with fighting games in years.

I just wouldn’t pay money to enter a tournament to win more for either of them at this point.

you will be surprised of what many people can play at competitive level, having tournaments and stuff
mario party for example, has a lot of tournaments here in my country being even on tv, yeah you heard it

Dat 3SOE button config

you mean the one that they copied from BB?

[Pertho]

about using passwords, imo it would be much better to use numbers so if as ponder said you have over 600, you only need to input the id number of the gem without to much trouble

you will be surprised of what many people can play at competitive level, having tournaments and stuff
mario party for example, has a lot of tournaments here in my country being even on tv, yeah you heard it

you mean the one that they copied from BB?

No, you mean the one they copied from TMNT: Tournament Fighters. They had waaay back on the SNES.

[Ponder]

I have no idea how many gems there will be, but Ono said it’s like SF meets M:tG. As a point of reference, there were over 20,000 cards in Magic at the beginning of this year. Even if SxT only has 10% of that, it’s still an unworkable number for tournaments, IMO.

[Hecatom]

No, you mean the one they copied from TMNT: Tournament Fighters. They had waaay back on the SNES.

im actually sure that there is a game that preceeds that too actually (iirc there was a sf2 on genesis with that feature), though the fact that they implemented it now, its because BB did it before they and people asked for that, it doesnt matter if a game on atari did it first

I have no idea how many gems there will be, but Ono said it’s like SF meets M:tG. As a point of reference, there were over 20,000 cards in Magic at the beginning of this year. Even if SxT only has 10% of that, it’s still an unworkable number for tournaments, IMO.

i understand your concern, but i think that there are ways that can be implemented that can make the gem selection fast enough to not be a problem in tournaments, if they are thatinterested on implementing the gem system as a core mechanic, we at least can ask for a practical and comfortable way of selecting them, like grouping the gems by type and having them sorted by id with presented by pages, like 10 for page, with easy ways to jump from page to page, like 1, 5 and 10 for example