How on earth sf3 sequels going to be like without ryu/ken(and other classics?)

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I’m the only person who’s said this so far, but I love the Street Fighter 3 cast. Especially the 3s ones. Designs I didn’t like at first were Necro, Oro, and Q but they’ve grown on me. Remy, and Makato are like the coolest fucking designs. Twelve looks like some crazy scary thing outta some weird ass anime. Everyone else is just insanely defined and mad fluid.

Shit the whole game looks like an anime, really. The game is really animeish, and just the mad creative/crazy desings I think throws alot of mainstream people off.

If you look back though, Street Fighter was never “Realistic”. A green monster that electrocutes you? A dude who’s limbs extend 100 feet, whats realistic about that? The designs in SF2 were just really soft and like, kinda kiddish really if you think about it. SF3 was made with the freedom that Capcom wanted. It was Capcom at their unrestricted, creative high.

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I prefer the SF3 cast to the SF2 by a whole lot. Makoto, Dudley, Yun, Necro, Elena, Q, Ibuki. Looking back the SF2, cast is pretty lame. Vega’s cool tho’.

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In SF4, I’d like to see a blend of SF2, 3, and Alpha. Ryu is a hidden boss, and plays a lot like his SF3 version except his normal Joudan behaves like his EX Joudan and he has a goddamn air fireball. It’s been twenty years, it’s about freaking time Ryu got an air fireball. Akuma would play a bit differently, with his normal attacks doing less damage (to represent his aging) but his fireballs and supers doing ridiculous damage and making the Shun Goku Satsu instant kill (but slower, to once again show his age). Chun-Li should be retired, but one of her students should be in the tourney so you ahve that same kind of jumping, eclectic style. Sakura and Sean would replace Ken and Ryu as starting Shoto characters, though they would each play a little differently. Yun and Yang should be in it, with Genei Jin, etc. and Fei Long should be in it as their objective in the tournament. Urien should be in it as well, and I think he should lose the Aegis Reflector (or be able to use it fewer times in a match) while getting a big speed boost. Remy should be in it, facing off against an aged Guile (who has re entered the tournament upon hearing rumors that M. Bison/Vega still lives). Q should be in it, as should Balrog, and at some point it should be revealed that they are the same person (though Balrog would play differently than Q, obviously). Dudley returns so that he can fight the American boxing champion (Q/Balrog). M. Bison/Vega makes a comeback, and I’m thinking he should be the uber boss of the game, and make Shin Bison from SFA3 look like a pansy.

Basically, a blend of SF2 and SF3, with a nod to SF Alpha. It should of course remain 2D, as I remain firm in the belief that, bar some exception (Rival Schools), the SF “style” does not translate to 3D, at all.

As to the SF2 v. SF3 cast, honestly, they’re both damn good. Elena’s fighting style just looks beyond awesome (even if she isn’t a terribly effective character), Hugo’s moves look painful, etc. The SF2 characters in SF3 make it, IMO, a better game, as you have characters that people are already familiar with, and maybe after they see what new tricks Ryu has they’ll give Oro or Alex or Yang a try. Heck, Akuma may be my best character in 3S, but I’m none too shabby with Urien either. I don’t think the SF3 cast is maybe as “classic” as the SF2 cast, but when you follow up a game that has absolutely mindblowing success worlwide it’s difficult to have lightning strike twice, if you catch my drift. For my money, I like Alex much better as a grappler character than Zangief.

To be completely honest, more SF3 characters need to be in Capcom games. They won’t ever get as popular as the SF2 cast (who’s in a dozen games besides just the SF2 series) if they stay a part of the SF3 series. CFE doesn’t fucking count, because they destroyed Chun, Yun, and Urien in that game…

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its fanbase. in dragonball Z gohan originally was suppose to be the main hero to beat majin buu, but the goku fans complain that they should bring him back in the majin saga and thats what akira did.

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Actually a lot of the SF2 stuff has been resolved already. Although it isn’t know who beat Bison it is believed to be either Chun Li or Guile (probably Guile from his SF2 ending). Bison himself is ultimately killed by Akuma (ST). Sagat lost his grugde against Ryu in A3. Balrog is just stupid and hopefully never returns even as Q.

But really the reason I think SF3 failed originally was that Capcom basically did a rush job to get it out. Sure they ultimately ironed things out but if Second Impact was originally released as SF3 NG I’m sure it would have gotten a lot more attention then the original SF3 NG game got.

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I can understand why you like Elena, Yun, Ibuki, Dudley, and Makoto because I like them. However, why are the SF2 cast so lame? What’s so great about Q and Necro? Necro is just a really bad Sim ripoff design wise. He looks like Sim only he has bleached skin and loves the color purple added with some stolen electricity from Blanka. Even from a gameplay stand point, He holds nothing really impressive. Q is an Inspector Gadget fuck-off… I can’t find what’s so special about him from either perspectives…

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Street Fighter 3 series is ass to me. People have already touched on how bad the character designs were, etc. When SF3 came out in Arcades here, nobody played it. Everyone kept playing Xmen vs Streetfighter. Only the most dedicated capcom gamers like 3S is what i’ve found out. Everyone else has moved on to other games.

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I think Q is one of those cyborg’s M.Bison had on Streetfighter the Movie that searches/collect data on strong fighters around the world. That explains why you can only fight against him if you don’t lose a match before you reach your rival match before gill. You have to do really good to make him fight you. :karate: Thus proving that my threoy of Q is correct because he only shows up around strong fighters. :tup: Necro is an bio-experiment gone bad. He use to be human. Kinda how the comic’s explain how Capt. America got his powers. Character design is never good or bad IMO. It depends on the person. I know old school capcom players that don’t play any marvel game because he doesn’t like comic books, so he doesn’t like playing with as he would say “Men in Tight’s fighting game”! IMO that the main reason the USA dominates MvC2 in the world, because we really like the characters because we grew up with them and always wanted to play with them in a fighting game. It’s one of the few fighting games the USA dominates the world in over all skills. It’s just another game to the japanese.

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sf3 would have been better with a mix of old gen and new they should of upped the roster count characters that should have come back guile, sagat,vega,fei-long,guy,cody,sakura,bison and perhaps get rid of some of the mist fits aliens and robots. that would of sold sf3 and not left the arcades were they are now.

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Uh, I hate to seem obvious. But if “Street Fighter 4” would suck without the main StreetFighter guys, here is a great idea.

a NEW fighting game.

Thats right! A new fighting game! A Capcom made 2-D fighter that had NOTHING to do with SF.

Nothing to expect, no let downs, only something fresh.
They did this with DarkStalkers, but it just didn’t have a good feel to some people, to cartoony.

Capcom needs to wipe it all clean, and start from scratch. SF4 would be great, but if they want to “move on”, they would make a new fighter. But the title “Street Fighter” will sell no matter what, so thats probably not going to happen.

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Yeah, a completely new game wouldn’t be much of a bad idea. . .

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I say if Ryu and Ken and other classics were in 3S, they should have been secret. After all, this is a “new generation”, not “same old, same old”.

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That’s right, Alpha 1 was also a rush job, and boy does it show. If Capcom do make a SF4, I just hope their heart is in it.

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capcom were still idiots

how can you give fans one of the best seling and popular games ever and then take out all the characters that helped make it great in it’s sequel

it even plays completely different than sf2

they totally revamped the system and characters without ever giving the fans a true follow up

basically something that looks like sf2 (character wise, not graphics wise), and plays like sf2 except alot better

sf3 seems more like a alternate future thing more than anything

it even takes place around what?.. 10 years later?

I think sf3 would’ve done alot better under “Sf X - Fight for the future” or w/e

to show what happened to the powerful fighting styles of sf in the future or w/e

but if they had released a sequel that stayed closer to sf2

think of it this way

how well received do you think the matrix 2 would’ve been if they took out neo, trinity and everyone from the first one and never resolved what happened to them?

you still want to see more of the first one

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There seems to be a lot of back and forth comments on the characters.
IMHO, if Capcom brought back more classics in 3rd Strike such as Cammy and Sagat, I believe that it would have had a positive effect on 2-d gaming today because let’s be honest why was Akuma, a “clone”, brought into the SF3 series over these two? Many of you would not agree with me on this but there were really only two characters brought back in the SF3 series, Ryu and Chun-Li. No matter how you look at it, as unique as Ken and Akuma are, they will always be known as clones in the Street Fighter universe.
At the same time however, I agree with many of you who said that none of the SF2 cast should have been brought back with the only link to SF2 being Ken appearing in Sean’s endings. After all, it’s called NEW GENERATION for a reason you know. If Capcom did this, what would you have done? Not play the game?
What I think is that Capcom fans have been spoiled by Street Fighter because let’s be honest, when something new is added, some fans will get used to changes but most will complain and unfortunately, Capcom listens to the complainers.
When Tekken 2 came out, there were so many characters in that game and at the time it was perfect. When Tekken 3 came out, like Street Fighter 3, many people were missing as it was a 20 year gap. Did fans complain? Probably, but did they abandon the game? No, they continued to play the game while trying out the new people.
Unfortunately, when Capcom tried the same thing, the fans were a lot less forgiving for the missing characters. This is probably why Capcom
themselves have given up on even trying something new in 2-d fighters.

On a side note, people cannot understand why fans like the SF3 cast as they think that they are pretty much, well, “****”. It’s probably the same reason why fans hate the shotoclones. It’s called having an opinion. People have their own opinions and if Capcom fanboys can be more aware of that and not give such negative criticism for the dumbest things, we can all be one big happy family. :clap:

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Fuck that happy family, carebear bs.

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It was alright that they had Ryu/Ken/Chun-Li in it but they did’nt really need Akuma.

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The same way Fatal Fury is defined by Terry Bogard? Hell, even that game had Terry, even though he wasn’t the main character.

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Yeah it has some stupid fighters in it but what the hell else is wrong with it?

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Burning Ranger; But that’s it. Terry…and that’s it. He’s just some guy who’s obsessed with fighting. Everything else was nods to the past. No other characters got nerfed to hell because of him.