3000-4000 is too inconsistent, there are some good players in that range, usually when they have near 4k pp, but a lot of mediocre players too. However from my experience anyone with over 4k is almost always good.
omfg…will ppl ever get it thru their heads that points dont mean shit?
You must be joking. This is some elitist nonsense right here. Points don’t mean shit? Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater, gents.
Yes, offline play is somewhat different depending on your connection, the game is more precise. And yes, minor lags in online play reward gimmicks ( hello Bison and Blanka I’m looking at you).
But to say that PPs mean NOTHING, that is absolute nonsense. Someone MIGHT not have many PPs and be good, be it by fighting in Endless or offline. But that was not the question the question was: how many PPs must a guy have for you to consider him a threat.
Well shit, Sako might have 0PP or whatever, but 2000PP is decent fundamentals and 3000PP is very advanced in the game. You don’t get to 3000PP, much less 4 or 5, without being familiar with all the basic dynamics of the game and being able to use them effectively.
Beyond that you might have to learn character-dependent option selects and strategies and whatnot, but seriously, don’t you all waltz in here and say that a guy with 3000-5000PP is not VERY GOOD at this game.
It’s like saying “unless you’re an ATP tour winner you’re not good at Tennis”.
Come on now. You got a little more sense than that.
In the US points are now completely irrelevant. I see 4k+ players who suck.
I think we have a different understand of what it means to “suck”.
At a certain point it does mean something, if you’re at 6KPP your winning pourcentage is above 90% and you only get there by beating high ranked opponents. If it’s that easy, try to get to 6KPP yourself and maintain it.
For sure. “Points are irrelevant etc”.
They’re a measurement of something, that’s for sure. They aren’t always an accurate measurement but if we accept the fact that online is imperfect we can use points as a starting point to gauge whether or not a player has a solid grip on the game.
Whether points are relevant to your self-esteem or self image is another question altogether. Some people get salty about losing them and so declare them as useless/inaccurate/irrelevant etc. Some people pick up a bunch in a day and enjoy the feeling of pride/accomplishment.
We all play this game for different reasons but to dismiss the value/purpose of points out of hand is a bit… well… pointless!
You can’t even say that any more. It use to be that if you could get above 4k you were usually good, but now all the good players have stopped playing ranked and as a result the players below them have floated up.
What’s nonsense is comparing an online street fighter player with 3-5k PP with an ATP tour player.
Saying that PP doesn’t matter isn’t elitist. It’s common sense. SF4 sucks pretty badly online. A lot of good players don’t play online often or even at all. A lot of good players that do play online don’t touch ranked. As a result, PP is pretty goddamn meaningless.
When I do play online, when do I think someone is a threat based on PP? Never. I think they’re a mashing, full screen random ultra’ing retard until they show me otherwise.
Fair enough, that’s one way of looking at it. Maybe the zeitgeist has passed. If a generation of players have moved on and the lower ranks have ascended, isn’t it surely the case that the plebs may slowly get better?
They many not be able to rival the best, but then again, better younger newer players may well arise (in fact even be here).
The scene might suffer from entropy, but if the best of the best are no longer around, then what are they best at? SFIV circa 2009-2011 or some other historical time frame.
I know that I play now and not in a kind of nostalgic past. Which means, however flawed they are, points still have relevance to me.
I think you missed an important point. It isn’t that the best aren’t around; they just don’t play ranked.
XBL: 5000 is pro (there are only maybe 10 guys over 5000 and they are all well-known like Latif aside from the cheaters)
4000 you can do well at a tournament like top 100-200 in EVO
3000 is "good"
2000 is average
<1000 is free
I have played against someone who is 4000PP+ on PC and they were pretty free so I would say 99% of people who play on PC are trash and probably 95% of people who play on XBL are trash. You can get “good” online for sure but you will only get to a certain point then you need to seek out the offline cats to get to that next level… guarantee you most people over 4000 are playing offline.
I played against 4000+pp on pc and they were mostly free to me too (there was one Italian Rose player who beat me, and someone called ‘Alioune Sensei’ made short work of me with his Cammy) and Im far from good at this game because I still dont have a grasp on how to handle every matchup with my mains (YET! :D) so I will often lose to lower PP gimmick blankas and hondas/bisons, while I will beat high PP oni, guy, ken, ryu, etc. players with ease
I only have 2000pp though
Which again, brings us back to the ‘points dont mean shit’ point
I’m getting dizzy with all deez circles.
I don’t really think points means anything,there are incredibly good players with just 1000 pp and mid players with 3000 pp,I’m choosing 1000 pp just for choose something but I don’t really think that pp are important
If I ever see a 3k Bison player I usually assume they aren’t going to be good because Bison is a scrub killer, but when you face someone who knows how to deal with the shenanigans all of a sudden these players get exposed.
You use to be able to say “Ok if they have 4k points they are generally good”, but any more with good players sticking to endless battle, it has never been easier to collect PP.
And in that sense, I suppose what I was trying to say was this:
Points are not a universal determinant of ability. It is not about whether someone with 2K, 3K or 4K+ is at pro/god/tournament level. Points are not a fixed determinant of someone’s offline/arcade/same living room abilities.
Rather, and let me be clear, because this is very simple:
They are a qualified (meaning imperfect) measurement of an online player’s skill level. It’s about who plays online. Who are the best online. If the pros or other enlightened hyper beings don’t play online yet are better than everyone else, who cares? They are irrelevant to the field of players with points and rank who play the game online (or vice versa if you take the elitist angle…).
Anything else is just salt, self-esteem issues or argument for argument sake.
Points are a measure of progress and win rate, not actual skill.
And win rates are not a measure of skill? The best guy loses more you say?