if your opinion is that KOF had a ton of bad games then whatever, my competitive scene played most iteration of the series so I don’t know your problem with series nor do I fucking care. is KOFXIII the best in the series? thats debatable…like everything else. Old vs New isn’t the direct problem but it’s a factor, to neglect it is fucking stupid.
Why isn’t their majors for all these old fighters if it was a matter of good vs bad? besides ST and 3S their are few and far between tournaments for old games. I guess thats another bad example? STFU
not other company had their main and best series on a legal limbo for years, that is why
also is not like capcom or snk didnt made other games outside their main series
the difference is that ASW is smaller than capcom and classic snk
and im pretty sure that the GG players who see BB as a “dumbed down” GG, are more happy that they decided to “dumb” GG on another and new series instead of “dumbing down” GG, like many playes felt with mvc3 or sf4, just saying
oh god, how much i laguh when people claim that the sf4 series is the best game ever on the market when usually they have not played any other game made before sf4, or any of the new ones that came with and after
First off its a game, not your mom, family, or your girlfriend i insulted. Stop being so serious
Secondly, like i said. People don’t shit on games becuase they are new. They shit on them becuase they are bad. There may be people who refuse to adapt when they have thier favorite in a series, especially when they are radically different. But KOF 98-2002 are the perfect examples of why what i am saying is true.
If i am correct, 98um and 2002um still have tournaments in south america/mexico thanks to darkgeese and others i am not aware of and am sorry for not knowing thier names. New games are played becuase they are new, and the community is trying it out., and consumers usually are more likley to play new games too.
one last statement becuase i hate to be apart of debates, why did you choose 2002 and 98 as examples of your fond memories? Why is 2002 even included in that sentence. Why is KOF13 praised today. They are all good games, that the point.
I like how the term “bad game” is thrown out carelessly…but can i expect from the people who initially shit on games and give no real clear reason in why they do, quote on quote “good games” are not widely played at majors, they don’t turn out the numbers like these “bad games”.
Apparently SFIV was a bad game…it’s still at EVO in it’s newest iteration, Marvel 3 was a bad game…it’s at EVO in it’s newest iteration. SFxTK is a “Terrible game” why is it at EVO? Soul Calibur V? Apparently the “worst in the series”…Really now? Where are all these Good games?
This goes back to me saying, a large % of people don’t know what the fuck they want in a fighter…if we go back to figuring out what makes a fighting game good then maybe we’ll get somewhere, not mindlessly saying a game is bad because you don’t fucking like it…grow the fuck up. so yes lets get back on topic…how can fighting games change for the better?
the reasons those games suck have been discussed for several hundred pages whenever a game is released in their specific sections. It would be stupid to constantly post why those games suck in every thread like this. Its already on file
grow the fuck up and do some research or @ least stay in tune with the games. No one is being childish here except for xes and maybe you
how can games get better? scrubs should stop posting on forums that way there is no way they can interfere with the quality of the games. SG almost gets rid of the BS problems found in other games like marvel. No jumping around mashing j.h all day for an OS that is also 1f death throw. There is no xf3 magic comeback. The whole goal in fighting games is to deplete someones life but in mvc3 by doing that, you give your opponent the strongest tool in the game automatically in xf3.
These simple things have been discussed per game for yearsssssssssssss in their specific forums. Go do some research and then comeback. Don’t ask for people to spell it out for you when the rest of us have had to look them or were even part of the debates. There are some of us who actually know why those games are “bad”, I don’t even think YOU do
sigh I’m going to be serious if im talking about something I care about, anyone would.
People shit on games regardless, it can be a fucking masterpiece and people will still call it shit because they may not like it, that’s peoples opinion, more times then enough once enough people say that it paints it out to be true. but we all know that to be BS.
why did I use 98 and 02 as examples? because my local arcade had them and thats where my FG scene was at, playing KOF 98 and 02. Were they Good KOF games? debatable, I enjoyed playing them though so regardless what you or anyone else say about it i’ll stand behind those games. why is KOFXIII praised today? mostly due to them actual going back to older games and reinventing the series from that standpoint, it’s nostalgic but new all at the same time…plus it was rolling off the major distaste for KOFXII…that being a major factor in it. Im not going to debate whether or not everyone liked or disliked older KOF games, that’s not my problem…everyone has a different opinion on it so i’ll leave it as that.
Every series has its good and bad titles. The new players who check these forums and believe people from the nineties love old games just because they are used to them and because of nostalgia are completely wrong. And they are missing the whole point, too. Most old games suck bad, even more than the new games. What frustrates old players is that the companies stopped learning from their previous games so as to cater to casual players, and it is really not needed.
If you did not live the nineties, let me tell ya: they did release crap games. For every game that stood the test of time, there were hundreds of absolutely regrettable titles, such as Fatal Fury and Double Dragon V, and others which had a chance but went wrong, such as Fatal Fury II and the Neo Geo Double Dragon. Due to the success of SF2, every company gave it a try on the genre, with the most hideous results, usually. People recall the good games, and there were a few very very good games from that decade, that’s all.
While it is true that adding this long combo hit-confirm flashy and shiny crap to fighting games amuses the youngsters, it is absolutely false that it is needed to succeed. Especially for Capcom and SNK, which have the most famous franchises and have established a fan base from previous years. For instance, SF4 would do just fine, thanks, even if it was 2D, just ST with new graphics, sort of like KoF 13 went. Some more characters, basic gameplay, done. Why would it do fine? Because the marketing was there, the characters people wanted were there and it was the time to release it. In fact, it was past time to release it. They only had to not screw it up. To the most critical players, they did; to others, not quite. That is to say, some hated the gameplay and the guidelines, while others either liked it or thought they hadn’t completely spoiled the game.
I would go as far as to say SF4 could be another game that would stand the test of time, and remain played years from now. On the other hand, from a business perspective, I feel Capcom is afraid of it. They do not want another monster that will raise the bar too high: they would rather be able to replace their titles yearly so as to maintain a profitable future. I do not agree this is needed: they could do with a new great title and a couple of renditions to better refine it. Instead, no-one really understands why, they actually released a purposely unbalanced sequel, just for the sake it. Why? And the worst part is that the part of the FGC who embraced the series has completely lost its will: instead of sticking to the previous, better title, they moved on, no questions asked. I can not support this, ever. One can find excuses for it, but no real justification, ever.
People should actually stop playing the “new” (US football) and go for the classics (soccer and rugby). Just saying.
faceplam ok, im sick of people not giving me the benefit of the doubt…
Everyone is going to have a different opinion on a game, it’s why we have such a diversity in the FGC, If you believe Marvel 3 is a bad game, you don’t have to play it, play SG. but that doesn’t stop the thousands of people who play marvel 3, nor does it effect any other community for their specific game.
This is just going to keep going in circles though…so i’ll just say don’t bother replying…this conversion is over.
Dude you do realize online is where people have the strongest opinions rather if it’s wrong or right, Forums have a lot of Mancows so don’t get upset just disagree. But there is a a division occurring in the FGC, I think it’s more Vets vs The New Generation, Competitors vs Casual, Newbies Vs The World you can thank UMVC3 and SF X Tekken for that, when it was just SF 4 you aint never seen shit like this. I’m just saying FGC among people is getting hostile. The next Venue I go to I’m a make sure I grab some heat lol!
I find the amount of hostility dumbfounding, that and you can never have a different opinion on something, if you do your the fucking devil.
I’m honestly sorry if I offended anyone but for fuck sakes…the amount of people who come at you side ways here is alarming. thank god tech talk isn’t like this…well i haven’t posted enough there to know for sure >_>’
Man look SRK is full of haters, but people who want to be entertained just by hating alone you gotta a Opinion use it dawg fuck what other say it’s why people are scared to ask for help for now. Dude say what you got to say it’s a forum fuck it.
That whole people being scared to ask for help shit needs to stop though… honestly thats a bad trait that the FGC has, no one wants to say anything because they fear being told off…it’s fucking stupid.
I’m over it, i’ll just be a douche bag for now on(not really). but honestly I think that more fighters should adopt that VF5 styled button check, it’s rather god like…but what do I know?
welcome to the internet, this is something that is not only a trait of the fgoc, but any online community overall
also dont judge the community by its online counterpart, you wiil find how nice it is if you interact with people irl
and how do you expect people would react when instead of searching for the info that it is avaible, every fucker decides that they need to make a thread to ask a question that has been asked million times, post in the wrong sections, and overall, post a lot of dumb stuff, notice how many people who dont understand how fighting game works think that they know what has to be done to make the fg better, not to mention that many have traces of scrubby mentallity
why?
when you can have the better method to assing buttons like GG or BB has
I didn’t want to be the jackass to bring up, “WTF is this GameFAQ’s?” I’m not ignorant enough to believe that the online community is the same as the offline one, I know first hand by going to events and tournaments and getting to know people in the scene…same with being on forums, but usually it don’t get this stupid.
I know this thread and others like it are the kind of shit has been beat like a dead horse, the still doesn’t justify that kind of behavior. It get’s annoying to constantly link certain threads or redirect this kind of stuff as i used to moderate some FinalFantasy boards before so I know it can get pretty damn stupid…but still.
