The old games will always be considered better than the new ones by their devotees, its hard to separate the game from its history and your own memories.
$8,000 is a good sum of money right? If I walked up to you and just handed you $8,000 you’d probably be happy as all hell.
Now imagine you are holding $10,000 in your hand and I walked up to you, took your $10,000 away and handed you $8,000.
At the end of both scenarios you are holding the exact same amount of money, but in one you are ecstatic and in one you are pissed, do you see the difference now?
Wrong.
SF1 was worse than SF2. MvSF is worse than MvC2. MSH is worse than XvsSF. SvC is worse than CvS2.
Instead of making dumb statements like you usually do, why don’t you try thinking for a minute that a game might actually be bad and it’s not just someone hating on something because it’s new.
The players stop complaining.
Wow, that is SO not what I mean.
Excepting SF1, which didn’t get the play and was really more of a prototype, generally the transitions in your examples were actually pretty fast, and there was a whole different thing going on with the arcades.
Take a game like GG or MvC2, which had 5-10 years of being THE game (for its particular devotees), with all the lore around it, and all the culture-love, and the personal experiences, that’s the idea.
You said the old games will always be better. I only needed one example to counter your argument and I gave you several in my previous post. The games weren’t just better after 10 years, I am comparing how they were received within the first one or two years.
You missed his point and the intention altogether, that’s what he meant…how did you misunderstand him is beyond me.
Instead of trolling or adding a post that has nothing of value, why don’t you translate for me what he actually meant then? Please tell me what the following statement means:
I think both of you guys are mistaking people who actually understand why a game is not as good for some kind of delusional devotee.
lol at this post/av/title combo
im not trolling, try to think before you submit this random blurb you call a post please.
He was saying how older games have the player(s) fonder memories or nostalgia held with them. For Example:
KOF 98 or 02 i would say is better then KOFXIII because of all the fond memories I had tied to them, the small insignificant things weigh peoples opinions on games. I spent no where near as much time with KOFXIII then with those previous games and those games have cult followings like with MVC2, GG, ST…the list goes on.
Sometimes newer games or iterations are better, I agree with this when it comes to VF as final showdown is the best version of the series, it’s debatable when it comes to tekken as die hard Tag1 players still love that game and people who stay playing DR will keep playing said game…or were turned off by T6 bounds for whatever reason…it is what it is, and that is the point.
I believe people shouldn’t always overshadow games by their previous incarnations but sometimes it’s necessary…
Oh c’mon, try to actually read intent, rather than getting offended right off the bat…
Just remember this in the future. I never mean anything is 100% black and white binary truth, the world doesn’t work that way.
The idea I’m talking about isn’t exactly a novel one, nor is it exclusive to fighting games. People do the same thing with cartoons, sports, cars, how safe it is to be on the streets, you name it.
There’s a part of the established fan base that absolutely won’t give the current crop of fighting games a chance. And you know something? I like the old ones better too… but that doesn’t change how the culture (ANY fan culture) works.
There is a group that holds onto memories, but, in this FGC community, I am seeing the argument that people are holding onto memories used too often to justify games that just are not as good.
There are many players that actually break down mechanics and analyze the games. An example was when MvC3 was just announced and experienced video game players were making valid arguments but newer members with no understanding of game mechanics tried to justify their stance with “you like old games and just don’t want to give new games a chance.” Fortunately, Capcom did listen to an extent to people who actually knew what they were talking about and did remove some of the crap they were going to put in such as UAD and MvC3 didn’t come out as bad as it was originally going to be.
My point stands. Simply put:
I think it’s not that older players are not giving newer games a chance but newer players are not giving older games a chance.
hahaha, you still haven’t learned a FUCKING thing!! jesus christ, why are you so argumentative about this shit? Its not about old vs new, its about good versus bad. You always want to tie into that shit. Logical fallacies?
skullgirls is pretty fucking raw, its a good game and its NEW!!! kof 13 isn’t that bad either again another new game!!!
its not like if you liked the old games, you’ll never like the new ones again. Its hardly the case.
I wish someone would just ban your retarded ass once and for all. I give all games a chance and break down their mechanics @ their core. If I can’t spot anything wrong with it, it’ll mostly be ok as a fighter. sf4, umvc3 and sfxt all have MASSIVE design flaws that don’t need to be there. Those games are actually designed terribly. I’m not hating on them because they’re new games but because they’re bad ones. umvc3 is the best of the lot but still, xf3 is just too strong. If the whole goal is to beat the opponent, you end giving your opponent the strongest tool in the game, xf3. GREAT IDEA!!! the more your lose the stronger you get!!
I think what Xes is trying to trying to explain is why so many street fighter 2 players decided to quit when Ryu got a super jump and and his shinkuu hadouken became a beam…oh wait
Or maybe hes trying to explain why so many old school KOF players think KOF 12 was garbage…oh wait KOF 13 isn’t. how does this work again?
Or why tekken 4 is generally considered whack, Tekken 5 as good and tekken 6 meh.
All of those series had years of devoted fans by the time these games came out and the games were still judged on their actual merit.
The Blazblue situation doesn’t really have a comparison because, what other company was stupid enough to flat out replace their best title with another series? Capcom kept SF and Marvel. Namco kept Tekken and Soul Calibur.
Actually there is one, which is when capcom tried to make TvC part of the versus series and then model so much of MVC3 off of TVC. The thought of Marvel being replaced by TvC caused the same type of reaction, actually worse.
I forgot to add this to my previous post. Thank you. This is the main point. Is the game good or not is more important in my opinion than if the game is new or not.
You know what? Basketball, handball, chess, tennis, football, soccer, baseball, etc, are old, so should we just stop playing them because they are old?
shit, fucking pussy is madddddd oldddd.
like man, its prehistoric!!! I think xes is going to stop fucking pussy now because its too old of a concept. You think he would stop eating too? or breathing? those are all old YET good things lol
xes can’t identify good\bad mechanics because he can’t play the games. Its why his opinion 99.9999% of the time is fucking AWFUL so he resorts to shallow ass comments that only prove his player skill and intelligence level.
People get so defensive lol.
You’d rather be angry, that’s fine. I’ll let you guys get on with that then.
Ultimately I don’t have time to coddle people who only want reinforcement, not discussion.
So why did people shit when 99 came out? or when 2000 came out? Why didn’t this happen with 2002? They were played becuase they were GOOD. Kof, a series with 4 good games, and 10000000 bad ones, was the WORST possible example. its good vs bad, not new vs old.
If I want to have a discussion with a retarded POS, I’ll talk to the turd I’m about to leave in the toilet. Anything that turd spits back @ me is going to be shitty anyway, just like your posts
remember you “discussion” with mike z on how GGPO doesn’t work on consoles? lets analyze that argument. You don’t have a degree in game design\programming, you’ve never worked in the field nor have you have ever designed a GGPO system for a console release. YET, you were willing to argue with Mike Z that it couldn’t be done and it can’t work. Even though it clearly works veryyyyy well online.
That is how you approach arguments. You could have 0 experience in the field and you will argue with someone who put in 4 years in college, worked in the field, then worked endlessly on a console release and call them WRONG.
its moronic the way you try to “discuss” things in fact I would even call it discussing because to have a discussion, 2 people have to be on the same page about whats going on and you will argue about some pretty deep technical shit and have 0 fucking clue
I have no need to get defensive or angry nor do I want any kind of reinforcement, and I am willing to listen and learn.
Please address my previous post and let me know if I am wrong:
Also, please be specific in your reply in regard to which information in my post you find to be incorrect so we could make progress in this discussion. Thanks for your time.