What are these online tactics?
Thank you Overworld. And Kyokuji you are correct, ‘having a life’ is relative to the individual. In retrospect, I had a shitload of good times of blunt filled, ear bleeding, hardcore training nights. But it is true your priorities change. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen anyone over 27 or so at a tourney. Furthermore, I apologize if I insulted anyone.
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I learnt fighting games playing on kaillera, and my moto is if you can pull off crazy shit online then there should be no problem doing it offline.
i don’t think playing online affects your game that much. Its only when you start doing things which only work online that could get you in trouble. But if you good offline then you should be good online as along as pings are low and theres no noticeable delay. With these conditions only very frame specific stuff could be abit tricky.
But as someone said earlier none of the big current games are played on kaillera anyways, with the exception of ST, which susprisingly gets very little play despite it being included in most major tournaments.
Most popular games on kaillera in the western part of the world, are A3, MVC, KoF98/2002, smash and weleague it appears. Well A3 is has died down alot as far as offline scene goes, so kaillera lets the a3 guys continue to play. MVC2 is not on kaillera yet so MVC is the next best thing i guess. Kof has a somewhat cult following, and kaillera gives the players spread out a chance to get some games in. Smash melee is a big game and brawl will no doubt big a huge hit, so its only natural there will be a following for smash bros. Finally weleague is a football game, for you yanks thats soccer. Biggest sport in the world, nuff said.
As long as its not much, the delay is a privilege…not a deterrent. You need skills for not just for the gameplay, but anticipating your opponent as well to some extent. Of course, unless your connection is totally shit that you are better off not trying at all, the lagg is never that much. Those who sucks, sucks everywhere!
Online =/= offline. Online has it’s own styles of play etc., which MIGHT…(MIGHT)… (keyword: MIGHT), work in lower levels of offline play, but once you even get intermediate, online play just goes out of the window. Don’t jump nigga.
Those of you claming offline and online play are the same…do you people even play offline? Seriously.
The only people in this thread that I KNOW are qualified to speak on this are myself, Nagata and Slide, because I KNOW all of us have played on both. And ALL of us agree that offline and online play are different.
I don’t know how the fuck it happened, but somehow kaillera warriors have been able to push their kaillera way into the general mindset of this site. Just a few years ago, when kaillera was actually playable, it was laughed at. Yet now, when it’s so laggy that Slide gave up on .64, and I absolutely refuse to play on good, suddenly, kaillera is legit? That’s a joke right?
Hey I got an idea, instead of having Evo, lets have everyone meet on a kaillera server, and run a tournament that way instead! Since it’s the same, why waste money? The title of best player in the country can go to whoever wins online! Give me a break. The only way to make kaillera even PLAYABLE is to turn the clock back to Mame .58-.61, set up great servers, get companies to make good pads again like 5 years ago (for those of us that aren’t about to buy a stick just to play kaillera) and probably play on excellent. That stuff is not going to happen.
Dont think there was much of kaillera exactly 5 years ago but anyways…nothing is the same as playing on real arcade… the motivation behind kaillera was not to replace arcade…it was to allow those emulators to play online. Emulators…They run on your computer, is not the same as real arcade. You can feel the delay when you press buttons. You are looking at that + some added delay. It does not compare to original game program directly reading port values from hardwired switches. Turning the clock wont help much 
Nothing beats the originals. Does not mean its not playable. People can and do play and have fun on the fakes.
Does not mean if you play good on real arcade, you would suck on kaillera. Sure its different and annoying if you still think your connection isnot good enough to play on lan or excelent really goes at 30fps…but being good on kaillera or real life does not imply you suck on the other. Scrubs scrub everywhere and suckers suck everywhere.
I just played in a real offline tournament yesterday, with some extremely good players, including players like Ryan Hart. I made it to the quarter finals in a 32 man competition. And i played exactly how i play like i do online. No lag no difference as far i’m concerned. People prefer offline, cause its just better, putting aside all the lag, delay, etc. Offline lets players met eachother in person, and it just creates a great atmosphere and its much more fun.
First of all Kaillera has never been better. The mass broadband availability made my games MUCH smoother than when I tried it 3 years ago. Whoever thinking .64 has problems need to look into your end. The singular version of emulator makes it so much easier to maintain.
I consider myself to be very good (but not great) at old school games like CE and HF, whenever I find someone online that can beat me by an overwhelming margin (for example in CE a guile player can lower forward -> low strong -> flash kick me every time I whiff a dragon punch) I ask them if they play in tourneys, the answer is always yes.
The bottom line is if you are good you won’t lose to lag friendly tactics. People who are better than me online would most likely beat me badly offline, and vice versa (assuming the quality of the connection is good of course).
There are so many top players on Kaillera. I used to play in Chinatown Fair when I was a kid, I would say with the exception of Friday/Saturday Nights the competition online is VERY comparable to CF. 1 out of 3 players online would beat me badly in games that I used to dominate in CF (A2, CE, ST) at least during normal hours (not when Jwong and friends are in town).
Arcade is dead and it is never gonna come back. For fighting games to survive, ONLINE play is the key, not offline. Games like CS, WC3, SC are immensely popular BECAUSE of online play, it creates a large community of players and some of them WILL eventually go to OFFLINE tournaments.
Like someone said, 3S, MVC2, CVS2 are not available on Kaillera, you can’t get good at games you don’t play. I have all of those for my console but I don’t remember the last time I touched them because there is NO OFFLINE COMPETITION.
Kaillera gives me competition 24/7. I can wake up in the morning and put in 20 minutes before work if I want to. Online > Offline for 90% of the players out there. I guarantee you far more people play on Kaillera/XBL than offline tourneys. Casual players determine the success of a genre, NOT hardcores.
i try. I just have alot of the rest of my life. every tournament is at least an hr away from my house.
I used to assist to tourneys here. Not big ones like Evo, but the ones in little stores around the city. You came up to downtown to see the anounces of these tourneys every week. And believe me, some of them were very high level matches. There aren’t prices, just honour and knowledge to be the best 
Agree with luxxx. Life changes and games go to a deep second term.
The only thing I would disagree with is the idea that kaillera was better before.
“MAME” was better before, not kaillera. Shit used to lag like hell a couple years ago. It’s much, much more stable now because we have better servers and better connections.
That being said, playing certain games on good is seriously frustrating. Jump-ins become total bullshit on good in Alpha 3, because anti-airs tend to have very specific timing in that game.
It’s also made worse by the fact that if someone jumps in, and they get knocked out of the air, instead of deciding that it’s a bad idea to keep jumping, they’ll usually just do it even more rapidly and sporadically in the hopes that you mess up or it lags.
I dont have the knowledge or resources for tournaments. I am completely unaware of them.
If people were saying that Kaillera and arcade play were exactly the freaking same, and if the top kaillera players (the real ones, not deluded lunatics like JaketheSnake) were going around saying they were equal to Alex freakin’ Valle, you would have a point. As it is, you’re simply twisting the position of your oposition into a bizzare and burning the flimsy straw man you’ve assembled to resemble the other position. Why? Well I’m tempted to say that it’s because you’re a nasty little sod who feels like asserting your supiriority over those who aren’t lucky enough to be able to go to tourneys reguarly, but you don’t seem like that kind of guy. Maybe it’s a perfectionist streak?
Nobody (that is, nobody who is sane) is claiming that Kaillera is exactly the same as the real thing. Delay and lag are pains in themselves and create unbalancing bullshit (Splash Zangies, how i hate you) and cheap tricks. But it’s not supposed to be exactly as good. It’s an eratz arcade that acts as a substitute for those who can’t go to the oh-so-high-and-mighty evo (and from perspective, there’s little sarcasm in that) but, amazingly, still want to play fighting games! Isn’t that amazing, that people want to do something that they enjoy in a manner that doesn’t meet your exact freaking approval, oh gre - wait a moment, who made you the god the fighting game?
This wouldn’t stick in my craw so much if you didn’t make online players sound like freaking fascists. “pushing their Kaillera way”? Are you on something that induces parinoid fantasies and under the dullusion the kaillera top brass want to obliterate all arcades and consoles and move all play to the internet. Hey, if that happened, maybe online fihgters wouldn’t be so shit!
Maybe I’m not the right man to say this, since I’m so very, very bad that online or offline play wouldn’t make a difference to me. But damnit, my crap detector would only take so much.
The reason I say it was better before is that a lot of us did have broadband 5 years ago anyway. Snausage fingerz and fugu were great servers that haven’t been matched to this day, atleast I don’t think so. Obviously also, MAME was indeed better before. I think it’s both though. I also disagree with someone saying they can get games 24/7, I don’t see people on most of the time. I usually only play people I know, but back in the past when there were lots of servers with lots of players I used to play quite a bit.
Most good players consider kaillera a joke, and most won’t even play on it because of how it messes with timing and gameplay. You have to get used to the lag, and then you have to play a different style. There is no question to this. The fact that people are arguing this is frankly ridiculous. There are posts on SRK where this issue was discussed before. I agree with guys like DGV and JumpsuitJesse and Apoc and others (other people offline that I don’t want to name) that kaillera is simply not playable in any serious way, I think zbattle and kega though are a lot better. I also trust my own abilities and observation much more than random people on this board. Whatever, I’m through with this, if you want to believe kaillera and offline play are the same you’re free to believe that.
Rabbit: Read some of the posts above mine. There are CERTAINLY people on this thread that claim it’s the same, and those are the people I’m addressing my comments to. I’ve beaten players online that are better than me offline and lost to players I’m better than offline, although I try not to abuse delay sometimes I just do it anyway. The difference is that by playing offline I can tell when I’m getting away with certain bullshit online, but if I had just played only online I know I wouldn’t have known. Some things are rather subtle, and as I’ve mentioned way back a lot of it has to do with block stun and punishing moves. There is a LOT of stuff that’s a lot safer to stick out online than it is offline. Online play also almost completely nullifies good footsies. Good footsies/poking are frequently the difference at high levels of play offline, but online almost completely removes that. This is one of the reasons that very good offline players can be complete crap online, yet some very weak offline players become studs online. If you ignore footsies, don’t care about hit confirming, and are perfectly happy just basically executing a pattern, you’ll usually go far online. Try it offline, and you’ll run into players that will take you apart more often than not.
You seem to have forgotten what site you are on lol
the input thing could have been well solved but 0.64 source has almost completely disappeared off the planet for some odd reason.
Offline is already dead for 99% of the people out there. Be happy online play is around, keeping the genre alive. There are more players playing online than offline any day of the week.
ONLINE KEEPS OFFLINE ALIVE. If there is no XBL and Kaillera there would be even less people in North America playing fighters. Any given hour there is more action on XBL and Kaillera than arcade/offline console combined.
I can log onto Kaillera 24/7 and find a ton of competition. I don’t have a friend list and I don’t want to play the same people everyday or I play the same games everyday. I play against whoever is on. The only thing Kaillera is missing would be a ranking system (although I guess we can’t have everything).
Godweapon >>>>>>>>>>>> Sausage fingers. I get <30 ping and high quality play all the times. I never had offline-like play on Sausage fingers, ever. Late night games on Godweapon against 30ms folks I can’t feel lag at all.
95% of the players for any competitive game would never, ever step into a tourney ever. Yet THEY ARE THE ONES KEEPING THE GENRE ALIVE. The hardcore 5% will never be mainstream. A lot of people don’t give a damn about Daigo or Jwong, they just want to beat eachother up online.
It is a dying genre, don’t bite the hand that is keeping it alive.
Oh god no. People would be abusing shit and dropping left and right.
Also, kaillera is definitely ‘not’ the reason why the genre is staying alive. Most of the gaming population doesn’t even know it exists. It’s really just a small community of maybe a couple hundred people. If you go to places like California or Toronto, there’s tons of competition everywhere.
What do you nerds usually ping at 150 or something daaaamn:arazz: . My ping is generally 20-40 and I absolutly cannot tell the difference. But you can tell when some dumbass is getting de-synced though. General rule of thumb-s , don’t pause ever…you get de-synced and if you are pinging over 100 never play online.
I play offline “cvs2” with my friends about 4 times a week and almost every day by myself. If you are pinging good on Godweapon the delay is totally un-noticeable, and make sure you are playing people with a ping either tied or lower than yours.
I mean I guess there is a very very very small difference in timing , and there is lag sometimes. But alot of you who complain about it must have a bad connection:wink: .
Also It really is a casual environment on kaillera, even the tournaments. Thats another huge factor.
Something tells me you aren’t really a reaction player, if you say the delay is un-noticeable. And I ping at 28.