If it’s common ground you can always just add an extra wire to each button. Though you wouldn’t get any of the remapping capabilities.
And of course you’d void the warranty.
ShinJN finished his review.
He should be posted next Wednesday.
Final parts, instead of my prototype stuff.
Laugh.
I meant to include in my Post saying that I do not know how much has changed.
Probably has the V Cut, whereas mine does not?
I don’t know.
Overall Weight: 7.7lbs
We developed the Hauyabusa stick lever and Kuro buttons for over a year compiling top player feedback from the US and Japan as well as users, and compiled all of this to create a stick lever and buttons that incorporates the collective opinion of the fighting game community. We do not want to say that it is better but we believe that we created a stick lever and buttons that has been developed to be a stick and buttons that caters to all players. The V-cut housing structure of the stick lever creates less friction and allows for more precise and smooth execution. This structure also minimizes friction between the cam and housing which means there is less friction resulting in less deterioration. SAKO (pro player from Japan) uses the stick and he believes that this stick is one of the best he has played on. Check out the video link below where SAKO plays on the Fighting EDGE. Reviews should start to come out soon so stay tuned for a more in depth analysis.
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I don’t see why it would be that hard to get it working for both systems in a dual mod.
Challenge excepted?
Not that we’re ever going to agree on this matter, I’ll respond anyway ->
Of course people will swap the buttons out, but that’s still irrelevant to the point (which I’ve already beaten to death) that, as far as we know right now, any part malfunctioning (or in the case of fugly buttons, modification) on a FE beyond the warranty is either irreplaceable or must be swapped out with another brand.
Now, as nice as the THOUGHT would be that in the future that might change is, that doesn’t help with purchase decisions in the slightest. Unless Hori comes out and says there’s an actual chance that the Kuro buttons, Hayabusa stick, and touch panel part could at least become available, no amount of sidestepping, hopes, dreams or hearsay makes the problem any less than just that… a problem. Even then, them saying that it “could” happen wouldn’t exact remedy the problem, but it would at least be somewhat of a comfort on the matter. There’s no speculation about it. That’s just a cold hard fact. The speculation here would be that they’ll potentially offer replacement parts one day.
And no, it’s not too early to rant about replacements. Considering the incredibly long process I had to go through with my SCV stick, I know a whole lot about the necessity of having replacements parts on hand when using a stick. I’ve got an extra JLF on hand for my SCV stick -right now-. Hell, if ya want to get literal with things, the stick on my SCV unit needed replacing after less than 24 hours of use, heh. By day 91 at the latest of owning this thing, I’d be doing my best to make sure I had a replacement Hayabusa available if it were offered.
OMG HORI LIKED MY POST!!! I think that deserves a free Edge right? RIGHT???
I think one of the bigger concerns is how many button presses are the switches rated for? In a lot of the hori sticks that did not use Sanwa parts, the buttons that would be pressed the most such as LPunch or LKick would go dead after 6 months.
I’m very skeptical of these Hori stick & buttons. While in the past Hori’s own entry-level stock parts have been more respectable, than say, a mad cats stick. They still didn’t compare to genuine Sanwa or Seimitsu.
If one is going to be expected to fork over $200 for this stick, it better have top-quality parts that aren’t going to crap out after a mere 4 months consistent usage and need to be replaced.
Sanwa parts can last years and YEARS before needing to be replaced. So should these, for the price.
Will the case be able to properly fit & install Sanwa stick & buttons? From what i’ve seen on the hori site, among others, it almost seems as if the interior will be shaped differently.
The majority of fighting game fans worth their salt(the audience for this product), don’t care about the warranty. Should the hori proprietary parts prove to not stand the test of time(putting it nicely), why bother with the headache of sending the stick back for fresh Hori parts, only to have them die again later?
Not when we can just install quality parts ourselves, that are nearly guaranteed to last through a handful of years.
Edit: Cam?
As I see it there is no other cost effective way to introduce a new button or stick that is untested. Putting in there new top of the line stick is the best way to get some feedback. I’m sure they spent some money in R&D so it may be cheaper for them in the long term having their own line of buttons but it will take time before that happens.This how it is for early adopters of electronics it get smoother as time goes on and all the kinks are worked out. Like I said they don’t know how successful this whole thing will be and for them to offer replacements parts before the stick is even released would not be a smart business. People could hate the Kuro/hayabusa replacing all their buttons with S&S then Hori’s stuck. Besides if you have issues with your stick or buttons Hori is good company and stand by their stuff and will send you replacements even if its past 90 days I know from experience they may not say it but they will work with you.
What does the cost effectiveness of a part have to do with anything? It’s not like they have to mass produce the things in order to offer them up as replacement parts for customers. Just to get things straight here, I don’t give a damn whether or not they offer the parts on a mass market retail level. I want them to be available for purchase as replacement parts for customers of the FE. Hell, even if they decide to require a serial number from the stick to sell them to you, I want them available.There’s no feedback needed to provide customers with replacement parts for their stick.
Unless Hori is on the brink of bankruptcy, having a few hundred replacement Hayabusas, a few thousand Kuros, and a couple hundred Shurikens (I’m gonna call the touch panel the Shuriken since they thoughtlessly didn’t give the poor thing a special name lol) available ain’t gonna break them, even if the FE mega tanks and they don’t get to sell any of them. Not to mention, unless the FE kills the entire company, it’s not like they couldn’t take the would-be replacement parts and put them into a few lower price point sticks just to move units and recover most of their costs.
And while it’s all well and good that they may offer to send replacements beyond 90 days, if it’s not in writing, it pretty much means dip.
Just to humor the matter of cost effectiveness, presuming they’ve successfully developed parts which can indeed stand the test of time, why not offer extended warranty plans to customers who want to opt in to spending say… an extra $50 to have a couple years of extra coverage? That way if the parts are truly up to snuff, they get to pocket the cash, and I don’t have to worry about potentially having to buy a $200 start button.
I agree they should have a longer warranty at least on some of the parts the thing about it is soon as you open the case the warranty is void so if they have have replacements available that is in turn saying opening the case is okay to open or could at least be argued by the consumer.
I would hope anyone who would get an extended warranty wouldn’t be dumb enough to then go and void it by breaking any warranty-voiding seals. Also, those who would opt for the replacement parts option ought to be well aware that doing so would void the warranty. That’s pretty much common sense for any given device of this nature; it’s a non-issue.
Off-topic, but I just found it a little funny that you sound really impressed with yourself. I too like to toot my own horn every once in a while. Who knows, you might be on to something there with Shuriken…
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Anyways, I do agree with your points. They are valid, and as customers, we expect to get the most out of our money. However, I’d like to give HORI (or any large company for that matter) the benefit of the doubt of that they have thoroughly considered every option before making a decision. I’m certain that companies don’t like to put a lot of money into R&D, just to make brash decisions in regards to marketing. It’s obvious that HORI has asked plenty of people in the community for their input, and I’m sure all the feedback was fairly considered (though I wouldn’t hold my breath on “Shuriken”). It’s a little feeble to think this is just an oversight on their part.
With that said, all you have to do is vote with your wallet. You don’t like it, then don’t buy it.
There’s nothing to be impressed with. I felt like I was explaining a very simple concept several times over and that the point seemed to repeatedly be missed (kinda like what seems to be going on right now, again), and then other people showed the same concern and cured my consideration that the concern was completely irrational. It’s that simple.
And yes, the obvious solution is to vote with my wallet. I’m well aware of that option as is anyone else weighing the issues here. If it were simply a case of “this product sucks, don’t want it” then it would be precisely that simple. Unfortunately that’s not the case. I honestly didn’t think it needed to be spelled out, but I’d much rather something reasonable be done about the potential issue of replacement parts than be forced to take such an option.
This isn’t a matter of making a brash decision either. This is largely uncharted territory for Hori. For other sticks, there hasn’t been a need for concern over replacement parts because said replacement parts could be had from any number of retailers. This is an issue of an entirely new line of product with entirely new parts. It’s no longer simply a matter of finding somewhere to buy a part from, it’s a matter of there are no parts to buy unless Hori provides them to begin with. So here we have a $200 stick that, presently, only has 90 days of a safety net before you’re running on hopes and prayers as far as it continuing to function beyond that 90 days.
While I’m sure they considered that fact, again I say, the fact of the matter is that this is largely uncharted territory. They don’t KNOW whether they should or shouldn’t provide replacement parts, and therefore, there was no brash decision to make. You can make an educated decision and see how it goes, but that’s about it.
Now, you can assume they’ve asked “plenty of people in the community” for input (or maybe you know for a fact they did… but I’ve seen no such evidence; granted “plenty” is a non-specific amount based off of relativity to begin with) and then assume there’s nothing to be concerned about if you want to. I couldn’t care less; that’s your choice.
Personally I say maybe they did, maybe they didn’t. But even if they did that does nothing to attest to what specifically they asked for input on. The question of how to handle the necessity of replacement parts could have easily been largely overlooked (let’s say the issue may have been somewhat underestimated) even if they actually did purely for the simple fact that, I repeat, it hasn’t been an issue in the past. I can’t (or rather don’t care to) personally understand why anyone would presume being a large company would make you immune to oversights of any kind, given that large companies crumbling ain’t exactly unheard of. Case in point: Sears. Large company =/= perfect practices. Sometimes shit gets overlooked completely or underestimated to some degree, and the size of the company is irrelevant to that fact.
There was never a problem understanding with what you were saying I just don’t agree from a business perspective. Sure It would be great to have all the things you think should be available and I understand why you want them. I also understand Hori’s point of view.
“Seems my ranting was justified given how many people seem to be concerned with the issue of replacing parts lol”.
Just because a few people agree does not mean much you have to remember a majority of people who leave comments are complaining about something
Now I know I said I agree with your points in your other posts, but I feel as if you’ve twisted my words a little.
As oppose to an uneducated decision? Nothing is ever infallible, but in some cases, an educated decision is all you can hope for, because as you say, this is uncharted territory.
You are seeing things from a consumer standpoint, and rightfully so. You want to be able to replace things that could possible break, again, good point. But I’m sure (another educated guess), that HORI has good reasons for not having them available at the moment. It’s a business decision they’ve made, and maybe they pay the price for it, and maybe they don’t. There are plenty of reasons I could think of why they would make this move, but those are just my assumptions and I won’t be able to defend those arguments with great certainty.
I think you also need to stop comparing this stick to previous sticks. This has new features that no prior stick has offered. You could probably imagine why it would be a little difficult to have replacement parts readily available.
Well maybe they didn’t consult with Johnny Donuts, ice_berg_slim, or Tragedy, but there is evidence of them getting feedback from people. My eyes could be lying to me, but I could have sworn those were prototype sticks I saw in this very same thread. You don’t honestly think that’s the only one they sent out right?
I never said they or anyone else is immune. Don’t get it twisted. I only said “benefit of a doubt”. So yes, it could be an oversight, but I’m inclined to think that it’s not. Case in point: Nike. Large company =/= perfect practices because they limit supply of certain goods. But it sure drives demand though… (I don’t know if you could relate to that one, but I was a big sneaker head).
I don’t know if you will ever consider HORI’s viewpoint on this matter, since you don’t seem to care to understand the other side of the argument (I underlined them for you). Like what I said, you have valid arguments, but ultimately, it is what it is. I’m optimistic that this stick is as good as I expect it to be. If not, well lesson learned. But I will give them a fair chance.
You’re obviously upset that you can’t get the replacement parts you wanted for stick that hasn’t even been released yet. That’s fair. But you don’t have to go in a tirade. Maybe give the stick a chance to prove itself first? Hell, if you made a stick and put the sane effort that HORI did I would be just as optimistic - yes, even if you don’t have replacement parts. =)
You guys are well intentioned, but you aren’t helping the health of this thread. If you have so many reservations then don’t be an early adopter. Let others have a go (and they will) to determine the viability of the parts. Would you ‘spare parts’ guys be happier if this shipped all Sanwa?
I heard you the first time you said you understood it, but that doesn’t mean I didn’t feel as if you were missing the point nontheless. Also, whether or not the few people who agreed with my sentiments have any meaning to you has no bearing on anything, and I wasn’t saying that a few people agreeing had any “big picture” implications to the overall subject matter.
Now, I’m sure I said this somewhere else in the thread, but it is all HEARSAY whether or not the issue of replacement parts is actually a big issue (that comment almost shits on my own argument [the lengthiness of it at the very least] -> it should be very clear how much anyone else’s is going to mean to me). As far as I’m concerned, anyone not named Hori is just talking out of their ass on the matter, and whether or not you (this is a non-specific "you, as will be the other uses of “you” beyond this point) agree or disagree with my conclusions or how I arrived to them is entirely irrelevant to the point at hand.
If you don’t care for my opinions, conclusions, or my logic behind them. Great! Don’t respond! I think this site might even have an ignore feature; but I’m not certain on that one. If you feel inclined to respond anyway, then please understand that I simply have no desire to take on anyone else’s perspective on the matter and have no intention of doing so at any point, ever. However I would request PMing me if you really must beat me over the head with your opinions, as debating with me about it will do nothing but clutter the thread even more.