Dear Honzo,
How do I establish a cult of personality while never having actually won a major? I would also enjoy having a legion of sycophants hanging on my every word, but I’m not quite sure how to go about it. Any tips?
Yours Truly
creating useful combos would be a start OH YEAH I WENT THERE
I will do a real response after lunch
well since I can somewhat tell you don’t seem to like me, and from what you’ve told people in referring to me (OH YEAH I KNOW CANADIANS), I will take this as a backhanded compliment. Yet this is an ask honzo thread so i will answer it.
Being stupid seems to get you a lot of fame really quickly. Let me elaborate on that better. Stream monstering gets you known relatively quickly in one facet of the community (mainly the online one), so if your always talking to people on the same streams every week, naturally they get to know you. Now it just so happened I became sorta good at a game while I started stream monstering (I’ve actually been a huge lurker of both forums and streams since early 2009), and on top of that I started a fairly high quality stream (I’m pretty sure I am the only person whose always streamed in 60 fps and nothing else). So, all of that sorta snowballed into the “fame” you see me have. Plus I am sorta nice so it helps and I try and remember everyones names and am genuinely trying to get the community to interact and care about each other from a super esport athlete like myself to some dude in Alabama who just likes to watch. I think the interactivity needs to be there and I guess it shows in me. Plus people seem to like me for some reason, so theres that. Oh yeah by being stupid i mean trolling all the streams, I would troll the fuck out of streams by trying to say the most retarded thing possible, and people seem to like that side of me. The crazy meth addict in me seems to be attractive to the community.
Nah dude, I’m just generally abrasive, don’t take it personally. Believe me, if I meant any real offense I would be banned already. I think you’re alright and it’s nice of you to help people out.
Believe it or not, I’m actually quite nice too, sorta.
Oh, and my combos are all awesome and 100% practical, I dunno what you’re talking about.
Here’s a genuine (roundabout) question for you. I play Task as well, but I think he’s the weak link in my team. I’d say I’m competent with him and 1 hit usually leads to a dead character, but I’ve really been feeling that he’s too 1 dimensional to really hang with the top in the long run. All the nerfs I’ve been hearing lead me to believe that this has been further exacerbated in Ultimate.
I tend to alternate between laming it out with arrows and calling Doom missiles, but then I inevitably get bored and just charge right in with Shield skills into arrow pressure. This is largely safe, but if they feel like popping X-factor, they can usually nail me while I’m canceling into aim master off the blocked shield skills. Do you think this is ever the way to go for task?. It seems like a pretty solid frame trap, but usually I just do it for quicker chip damage.
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Honzo, I want to learn MODOK.
How difficult do you think MODOK is to learn?
Teach me MODOK.
I know he already responded, but I didn’t see him mention this so I thought I would: seeing someone play zoning in Marvel and actually do well is pretty cool.
he’s getting buffed imo, but i seem to be the only person to see his changes as buffs so maybe I am crazy.
The whole shield skills into arrows is not as safe as it seems. Sheild skills leaves them in about 14 ish frames of hitstun when canceled into aim master, and fully charged aim master comes out in like 20 frames, so theres a slight gap inbetween them that can be punished ( idk what specfically but champ does it to me if I don’t cancel it off the first frame). The safest way to implement this is to actually do two arrows and you will be like -3ish, but there will be no gap where they can punish you. It might be a frame trap too, not sure.
but if you have an assist covering you by all means chip the shit out of them, plus if they don’t realize how to punish, then you can just do it all day. The whole popping xfactor thing is always problematic, but if they do it on your shield skills then just snap them, since its one frame.
I would always support staying back and just being boring, but if you want some quick chip then go ahead and do the shield charge cancel, just be warned it ain’t safe.
I know what you’re saying about the arrows, but I always try to do the dash version of shield skills to be right in their face. Being point blank makes all the difference in the world (at least for the first flurry of arrows) because they don’t have to travel before connecting. As long as you’re about 1/2 a screen distance away or less, they’ll be lucky to even be able to throw out a normal. If you’re close enough it’s a tight block string. From a bit further it’s a frame trap with about a 1 frame window to do reversals (characters like Ammy, Wesker and Phoenix can mash cr.L at this point to get around it). A little further and it’s still relatively safe again most of the cast. You only get into trouble when you give them a large enough window to jump out.
Basically it’s all about spacing.
modok is quite hard to learn how to use correctly, but if you can utilize your assists in your combos and get at least 4-6 cubes in your combo you can do really well with him. His weirdness is going to be your obstacle to get over. Essentially you get more out of modok with more time you put into him. So, if you are willing to go the extra mile go for it.
Honzo,
Of the four tank characters, Hulk, Thor and Nemesis have amazing tools that help them stay modestly competitive including projectiles, command grabs that lead to full combos, super-armor, and abilities that grant them bursts of high mobility. Additionally, Hulk and Thor received a slew of buffs for Ultimate. However, Haggar’s only buff was the ability to do an extra ~65k damage after an air-throw or command grab at the cost of any potential Oki. On top of that, his assist, the only reason 99% of people ever used him in the first place, got nerfed.
As a player with very strong zoning skills, do you think there is any purpose in trying to make Haggar effective on point any more? Do any of his extremely limited tools inspire anything but derisive laughter from you?
His assist is just invincible from frames 4-73 (No idea what they actually are but it’s very close) instead of being invincible from frame one… It’s functionally exactly the same! Just can’t be called into a hit anymore.
Doesn’t it matter at what range you do blocked SS? Going by your post, even if you do a fully charged aim master they only have 4 frame window to punish, with most people’s Ls being 4f startup, meaning the safest punish is probably throw and even then they have to time the blockstun gap precisely assuming you special cancel immediately. So you’re saying the safest option is generally semi-charged (2) arrows cancel on the first possible frame? I want to clarify so I can blow up all you Task scrubs mashing on 4H.
As for playing for safe chip, ya’ll say that but I see you and Dacid just going in with the random shield charge. Hypocrites :wtf:.
Honzo
Do you think they buffed haggar hsienko and tron enough?
dhc glitch being taken out is haggars biggest nerf tbh, his other ones will have a larger impact on people picking him up though. Whether he deserved them or not, you are talking to someone who hates haggar/tron assists. So, if you want to constantly fake a defense by mashing on one fucking button the entire game and go “LOL LOOK GUYS HITS LARUEALRURLAURUR”, maybe you should adapt or just quit. As someone who is jaded idgaf about haggar and I hope he gets nerfed in a later patch.
the range I don’t think affects blockstun so no, its more when how fast tehy cancel into aim master after they put you into blockstun. I don’t know the exact frames, but I do know its punishable. Go into training mode with your chars and try and punish it if you really want to know. 2 arrows is the safest option yes.
One mans random is another mans read :nunchuck:
haggar and tron can eat a fat dick, if your looking for a non-bias opinion on them go somewhere else
hsienko didn’t really get buffed all that much, the buff to her F+H is really good since the hit box on that thing is like a mile long. I think she will be good but not significantly better. I think they should have just sped her up on all counts, and let forward+m and Forward+h jump cancelable. With those few changes she would be decent.
Don’t mean to contradict you Honzo, but it’s actually a tight block string from close range (go into practice mode, record the dummy doing shield skills xx aim master and stop blocking after the shield skills, it will still block the arrows from close up) and fully charged arrows are + on block. Best thing to do is pushblock after the arrows in that case (or blow X-factor and kill him).
From further out, a handful of characters can punish it in between the shield skills and arrows(Ammy, Wesker, Phoenix and co). To get around it, you basically either need a 3 frame normal or a very fast cr.l that puts you really low to the ground (or both like that stupid dog). I’m pretty sure only wesker can fit in a command grab between the shield skills and arrows. I’m thinking of doing a vid to show how this works.
Doing the dash shield skills makes this tactic way more effective.
Oh don’t misunderstand me, I’m not complaining because his assist got nerfed. I almost never use it because he’s always in the number one slot on my team. I’m pissed because they nerfed the only thing he had going for him and didn’t buff him at all to compensate. He already was the worst tank character on-point and whereas the rest of them got significant buffs, he got a side-grade at best.
What I wanted to know is whether or not anything you’ve seen Haggar do on-point has ever felt like a threat to you, or if you just kinda chuckle and kill him because he really can’t do anything.
EDIT: For reference the current team I run is Haggar/Deadpool/Amaterasu
IDGAF FUCK HIM
anyways a person who plays haggar on point has actually beaten me on one of the side tournies at evo (cheech wizurd of the uk’s). The scariest thing about haggar is him in your face, so when he has assists to supplement that it makes him a really good pressure character, from a psychological standpoint. Forget your options, when haggar is in your grill it stops being about mixups its about utilizing the fear the opponent has for the pipe. The mere fact that you can do that move means people won’t attack you, plus you can reaction lariat them if they do. So, when your dealing with an assist and constant pressure/fear it stacks up and you have a greater chance of making a mistake the longer this goes on. Now with one touch with haggar your dead, no ?s asked. dhc glitch is really useful for haggar, so use it. Get a random low kill a character. Now this is all easier said then done, but haggar on point has the correct tools to be effective. You just have to employ them.
edit: so while it may be easy to get zoned out, if you use an assist it greatly increases your chance to get in and do damage. I usually zone but they sometimes get in, even on someone as lame as myself.
Honzo salty he keeps running into lariat.
IMO people respect pipe too much, if you know he’s gonna do it it’s a free air throw during startup, and even on hit he doesn’t get *that *much damage off it.
YOUR DONE IN ULTIMATE
he can kill off a pipe brah