Honest questions to those that complain about Chun-Li

Stomp is annoying when you’re contending with lag. Gimmicks work only for so long. Quitting before the other guy has a chance to redeem themselves against gimmicky online play is a bit lame. I’ve been gimmicked to hell by Ibuki due to a little bit of lag and it’s pretty funny but nothing difficult once you know the timing (with lag). Thing is you need time to do that and those things simply do not work offline like that.

on topic: who fucking cares. she can be difficult to fight but that’s part of the enjoyment of the game. if that’s not ok with you don’t bother with 3S. that simple.

Do you have anything better to do? Do you have anything constructive to add?

I didn’t lay down any troll bait, I simply said the guy was bad and embarrassed himself. And he did. Then he comes on and talks shit and can’t back any of it up, then his troll buddies come on and feed off of his bs. So yeah, I’m not going to respond because this thread has been horribly derailed by the trolling ******* of the board.

My apologies to OP.

Woah, don’t play that fucking high road card with me buddy. I streaked the retard. Okay? Is that good enough? Are you really going to defend a moron who lost to Sean 3 straight with Chun? Really? I beat him like 5 in a row or something, then a few other times after that. It wasn’t just once. The guy is a moron who mashes out random shit, and he knows it. And that video posted shows what a fucking moron he is.

There. Done. I’m not saying a fucking thing. You could try to make this guy out as one of the great players who got trolled by me, a bad player, and play up all the drama just for ‘lulz’. I’m not taking the troll bait. And you guys should be ashamed for derailing the thread this much.

Yeah, you did horribly derail this thread. Thanks for admitting it.

Now pleaaase go away. :rofl: XD

Instead of focusing on the fact that his Chun lost to Sean, focus on the fact that he was playing JUSTIN FUCKING WONG. Justin Wong would destroy the vast majority of players whoever he used, it’s not a big deal to lose to him.

Anyway, good constructive idea for a topic. To the people that think Ryan posted this because he’s insecure, I’ve never even met the guy but that’s clearly not his underlying reason for starting this discussion.

My own opinion is that I’ll play against anybody and against any character, and am happy to be able to learn and improve constantly with each fight. How else would you get better except to put yourself out of your comfort zone and play against difficult odds?

Well, if they haven’t put the time into the game yet, I don’t see that changing any time soon unfortunately. :-/

I’m curious as to why you think this.

Maybe it’s not the laughing stock, but it’s certainly one of the least popular. Marvel, Super Turbo, CvS2, Tekken, they all get way more love than 3S does. You could argue about how they suck and all that, but the fact is that they’re way more popular than 3S could ever be. Sure its popularity received a massive boost thanks to a miracle comeback in 2004, but then they see the Top 8 results every year at Evo and then bam. They hate the game because they think Chun and Yun are unbeatable. They never even bother to look at WHO are in Top 8. Just who they’re using. You could say the same about the haters who also pick on SBO. “TOP TEAM WAS YUN-CHUN-KEN FUCK THIS GAME”

Sorry I take it back. Not necessarily America but it is laughable in socal. Back in the day socal was pretty much the top spot for 3s in America.
Fast forward to 2011. It’s near impossible to even have a tourney with more than 8 players. Barely anyone takes the game serious anymore and instead it’s almost novelty now. As I mentioned before, 3s was dropped from westcoast warzone for mortal kombat. *
How a game could go from being one of the top games in America to this is insane.

Yes thank you aku. This is one of the points I was trying to make.

A big reason no one entered the 3s tourney was the entrance fee. Why the fuck does every tournament in america cost $50 now?
But still, I hate the fact mk beat out 3s.

Indeed, tiers don’t mean shit if you’re simply getting outplayed.

im going to say something that most people won’t really talk about…

as amazing of an arcade as denjin is… its creation helped kill 3s in socal. denjin split the scene, created a decentralized 2nd (albeit superior) location and once this was done it could not be undone. FFA was the hotspot, denjin when it first opened became the new hotspot but it was impossible for it to maintain this position. denjin is relatively isolated despite it being “close” in terms of time traveled it is in no way central unless you live in simi valley.

the logic of but denjin is so much better and isn’t that much further unfortunately doesn’t really work out when it comes to real life and the circumstances that have larger amounts of people at the margin going to play. You might stop by family on the way to this or that while you were in the valley, end up staying longer than you thought. Denjin meanwhile requires you make the effort to go all the way out to simi even though its not that far really.

I know this is unrelatable to you ryan because you have been driving up from SD for eternity to improve and taking trips to japan. but a scene’s ability to thrive is at the MARGIN just like the profits of a business. the people who may or may not come are the largest percentage. this is what happened to third strike. whether it makes sense or not it is the absolute truth. denjin being a better arcade is irrelevant in this, japanese controls being superior is absolute fact at this point and still it doesn’t matter. the decentralization of the scene killed 3s in socal.

in the past this would have been a theoretical argument, i love denjin but what are the repercussions type thing. but as you just pointed out 3s has fallen FAR. from most popular FG to being bumped for mortal kombat. i really welcome any counter argument because i don’t think there are any. if you can give me even one reason as large as this for the fall of scene i’d love to analyze it with you but honestly there isn’t one.

I’m having dejavu

most ppl dont consider what i underlined unfortunately, the fact that you “talked” and asked about your own gameplay tells me you want to learn which is why i play and teach things to players like you, to everyone else i dont just play to beat ppl online, i just see if anyone stands up after the set and asks me about what to do…its annoying sometimes that ppl just drop and leave ggpo after a 20 game set…everyone can do soo much better but they dont put the effort

Who’s defending anyone…? I’m just saying how gimmicky stuff works and why it works. I’ve been gimmicked plenty myself and I don’t hold it against the other person for winning with it. Stop being so defensive and pissy and people might respect you.

And Nica: Yeah I hope to play again but right now I’m down home on a ehhh connection but to NY it might be fine depending if you’re in the city or what. Sub 50 I think the game plays pretty well on ggpo. You basically explained I need to use grab more offensively to break people down instead of trying to wait them out and get a lucky poke. You were constructive and kind. No one should be scared to ask. There are many gaps in my gameplay at this point but it’s extremely useful to have the person who’s fighting you give you some idea what they are. It’s nearly impossible to judge yourself.

The relative strength of the US community will never be anything unless people suck it up and ask. Not ask who they should play or what they need to do but ask what they’re doing well, what they should work on and what to try out in the future. It’s a slow process to getting genuinely good in the game. Learning combos and gimmicks will only take you so far. Those are the easy things to learn.

Manly tears were shed, my friend

there can be many reasons for the fall of 3s. obvious ones being sf4, 3s being on ps2 for the majority of america, small tourney pots with no bonus. the last reason makes the least sense to me because only a handful of people win most tourneys. also what ever happened to playing a game because you liked it and enjoyed it? people just want the $5000 pot bonus they will never win.

But that discussion is better saved for another thread.

I just want to open the discussion about how chun li isnt what everyone makes her out to be. yun isnt “op” with genei jin. and ken isnt easy mode with free wins.

If this discussion can convince people to understand that then thats great. if not then who cares, i cant really see 3s falling anymore that is has now.

  1. Most 3s players dont travel (99% of the good US 3s players only play 3S. No true incentive to really travel to majors)
  2. Capcom did not give us an arcade perfect port. (adds more to the reason why there’s no incentive to travel for 3S)
  3. The biggest scenes were on opposite coasts
  4. Best players were and still in Cali and they have the best arcade/hardware for how 3s should be played. Why NY does not have two h2h 3s cabs in CTF is mind boggling.

There are legitimate and endless reasons actually. And every region in US that had/has a 3S scene has similar and different reasons

There was a year and half stretch in CTF where it was me and Arturo (yes fucking Arturo) in grand finals for 3s unless Kofiend decided to come kick our asses. then we used to have console 3s tournies at lan centers but that died after a while. I had my beef with the NYC 3S scene for a minute but the guys playing now has made up for those grim times in spades.

but i digress…shit is sad son!!!

why did you make the switch? (no trolling, but unless you point it out it kinda goes against your argument)

Anyways, even though I’m mostly a retired player, I can say that I think Chun is the strongest character in the game and a couple of her matchups are unfair indeed (vs Oro in example), but I also agree that while she has extremely easy and strong basics, she is hard to play at the very top level.
I played several good Chuns in Europe, and better players than me, and I never felt helpless (even when I was losing) - the only Chun that really felt broken was Justin Wong’s (played him in London at BOD 2008), but again it wasn’t the character in itself - it was the combination of the best (but beatable) character with an amazing player.

here

sorry I missed that post ._.

ryan you won me over with the “why not try, there is nothing to lose”

Hugo vs chun is almost even until the chun is at a certain level of skill, very high. his jump is are a real threat at many ranges. his pokes contend very well with chun’s

dudley vs chun aiku showed how to play this matchup to take away chun’s advantages its easily even or only slight advantage to chun

makoto vs chun even if not in slight favor of makoto. makoto’s air control is insane, your stand cl. RH get karakusaed and toward + RH gets you double dash punched to the corner if she goes hayate. she raises the stakes over and over and you just have to deal with it on some level.

akuma vs chun akuma does very well until chun gets the hit if you understand that she must play reactive to akuma to keep her advantage

yang vs. chun chun has to work harder to win this but its her advantage, yang can mash out slashes and be scary chun has to be substantially more careful and red parry.

urien vs chun i have mixed feelings i think on paper this is so clean for chun but real life is grimey and really she can lose in a heartbeat.

im pretty curious as to your thoughts bout these opinions

hugo vs chun is def not free for chun. hugo has way a better chance than alex in this match up. the only way i win this match up is to just play extremely gay and jump back fierce whenever im scared lol. his pokes are good. sa1 or 3 are good. but vs a high level chun who isnt gonna make mistakes, 3 is best.

hugo vs dud is close to even i think too. basically get a knockdown with meter in the corner and you win. being good at jumping and mixing up the timings of your jump attacks are key with dud. dudley just has to be scary.

makoto vs chun is really fun i think. possible the fastest match in all of 3s. both characters have so many options to beat anything the other person does. its basically rock paper scissors but instead of 3 factors, theres like 10 different things each character can do. more safer options for chun but still pretty even.

gouki vs chun is pretty much dont get hit. luckily gouki has the tools to do this better than anyone. dont do anything stupid and you can win. youre right, chun def has to play reactive.

yang is good against chun because of the divekick. but you have to be really really good at divekicking, one wrongly timed one = super. no wake up options for chun, and st rh can be ducked by yang, and same with ex bird.

urien vs chun is hella fun for both characters. definitely not free. it is GRIMEY and can get goof troop. but the urien needs matchup experience and balls to not be timid and scared.

to be honest, alex and oro have it pretty rough. but it is winnable. oros and alexs just have to “feel it” and win.

chun vs q is not free for chun either. I have been using a lot of q and im not scared of this match at all. parry, raw super is too good. once you get some taunts in, its like you can play fearless.

now that i think about it, i think in general america sucks vs chun li and other top tier characters. The reason being is because we care too much about tiers. this is obvious by how many fucking people cry about it. What this leads to is people playing shook and scared about the match before they even start. Chun li’s only defensive options on wake up are pretty much guess parry, jump, or cl rh, which is basically chuns shoryu. not playing scared is a big deal in 3s, and any decent chun player will beat you with just the fear of getting hit by super. I dont care if im gonna eat a chun sa2 unless its gonna kill me.