i’ll be on tonight after 11 central 
also i look forward to seeing what you come up with as regards to simplified combos…much of what i apply to the game wouldn’t be possible because i’m lazy and use matchup exp plus things you great hondas have thrown my way through these threads
I think found a new combo (although it may not be) for the Abel match-up. It’s MP Hands, link c.LP xx EX Butt slam. Works better if you jump in deep.
These weeks of playing Honda have helped with my HHS consistency. I use the same technique for controller and stick but damn do I feel safer using the controller. It’s like this slide technique, slide your thumb from LP(Square) to MP(Triangle) twice and hit HP (R1). It’s like 95% consistent for me; I’m getting fast enough do a cl.MP, link c.LP xx HP hands and my goal is to be able to do it from a crouching forward.
the day you crouch forward HHS from a pad is the day i pick sagat
i can do it cr.mk xx fp hhs on pad really easy.
i just have to bind square to lp, triangle to mp, circle to fp, and x to mk.
then i just do it like i’m on stick.
and it’s extra easy on the madcatz pads with default button layout.
have we fully explored the mp hands route of honda combos? or is fHHS’s dmg just that much better? will i waste my time in playing with it when going home?
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i tried it out for a little bit a long time ago and didn’t notice too much.
mp hands seems to leave you slightly closer to the opponent than fp hands…
so vs some big character you can get some special combos that don’t work with fp hhs.
an example vs crouching sagat:
mp hhs, link cr.lp xx ex hb.
i’m sure there’s more. but didn’t bother to test them because at the time i didn’t think it was worth the meter.
but it might be if the extra damage will win you the round.
edit: oh by the way though…
vs abel, you don’t have to use mp hands to do that combo.
fp hhs, cr.jp xx ex butt stomp works just fine :bgrin:
and in case you are wondering.
j.rh, cr.mk xx fp hhs, cr.lp xx ex butt stomp = 458 dmg!
if you start it with nj.fp you can get 468 
ow abel specific killin’. crouch/stand specific?
Just lost to an Abel in a tournament on Sat (5th place, both matches I lost I used Akuma as well as honda. Never Switch!)
The cr.jab hits but the EX Slam whiffs on crouch.
Hits fully on standing Abel.
And you need to be close, works well of deep punish jump in and tougher to get in off a cross up splash.
from the dev blog:
Q: For rapid-fire input moves such as Honda’s Hundred Hand Slap, could you make it from 5 inputs to 4?
A: Sorry, its not going to be 4 inputs. It hasn’t changed, so please practice up with SFIV.
Good!
god im so happy that 4-inputs BS wasnt true.
hell yes! you just made my day.
Great, looks like no one will use him in the new installation as well. 
<---- Paris Hilton O’ Face.
Awesome. Let’s hope that this doesn’t mean they forgot to spend time on honda though :X
Yea, I keep hearing this rumor that Super will add a new move to every character…confirm/deny?
Heres hoping for maybe a nice new command normal, maybe forward movement with charge? …one can only wish.
Also
is there any reason i’m using c.mk instead of cl.mk for punishes? +10 dmg!
Possibly spacing? Im just looking at the frame data for the first time (kind of amazing stuff here, haha) and noticed this tidbit.
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Aside from spacing if your colose enough looks like that would work well. I’ll double check in a bit. Nice find.
I’m still working the kinks out of c.fwd into EX hands. c.fwd f.HHS all day but I slide so its taking a bit to get the EX down after the forward.
And on super. From everything currently known if they chnage absolutely nothing else for Honda, and the 720 is the single frame grab*crosses fingers). I’ll be a happy camper. (Jury out on Sagat still)
Here what I saw today through sumo eyes. No projectile, No projectile, Projectile.
i’m STILL wet over having both a super headbutt AND a 720 ochio let it stayyyyy
I can’t decide how I feel about the 720 ochio. 
It’s cool that we get another mixup option and all, but I don’t think it fills a gap in honda’s play that was lacking to begin with.
Startup frames/damage are a big thing too, (fast enough to land off sumo splash?)… time will tell I guess, especially if we get a new move/changes.
All based on assumption and theory ->
As long as its the same start up as Giefs MOTHER RUSSIA! (UAB), then I think it ads an amazing element to the sumo bag. And I don’t see it not having the same start up or it would be pretty useless in the game engine if people could input/jump during the flash to get out and it would have to be used as a counter poke. Adding a 720 to Honda as he stands now is huge,most of the time the matchs I do end up losing normally I lose with my opponent having less than 25% health or so, without landing my ultra. (to charecters who land ultra in combo, aka Rufus,Ryu,Sagat,Boxer) The ultra now is very situational as we all know and adding even lets say a 450ish level 1 grab ultra would be great in itself but nots that the true potential I see, it lies in that if it does enough dmg how much are people going to try that much harder to get away from Honda and how can Honda punish this. Once your in and have Ultra they will begin to treat you more like Gief with ultra and this means after hands pressures and jabs aside from the threat of an ochio you have the threat of a 1 frame grab so they wil begin to jump, backdash and play more conservatively and that when you can punish them for it. Jump away after hands? Early chop,sumo splash,EX sumo,headbut them oh my the possibilities have me giddy. And on their wake up Honda sitting there is that much more dangerous, along with them being cautious on YOUR wake up. If this move i added I don’t see a huge amount if buffs or changes to Hondas other elements normals or specials and I’m hoping they don’t change things that right now are borderline too good, like EX HB (I LOVE YOU BUTTER HB). And finally this combined with a HB super that goes through fireballs, Honda with super AND ultra full. Look out.
And lastly if trade into ultra is out of the game like its rumored now…oh my. The world will know the power of sumo.