I can’t believe I gave you the satisfaction of taking the time to reread my post to make sure I didn’t typo c.MK somewhere that might have caused you to misunderstand. But no, I specifically wrote c.MKfour times. Did you even read my post? Or did you just glance over the first and last sentence and assume you knew what I said?
“Ken’s c.MP gives a lot of time. Maybe more then Dudley s.HK (for EX MGB).” Are you telling me there’s a doubt in your mind about this fact?
If you had just wrote “Dudley’s s.HK,” I might have given you the benefit of doubt and assumed you were referring to linking s.HK to SA2 or SA3, since those are easier links then Ken’s c.MP. But you didn’t, and showed you have no idea what we’re talking about, and barely have an idea of what you’re talking about.
Speaking of knowing what you’re talking about, here’s another thing. It’s not c.MP xx Shippu. That would be a cancel, which would not be a hit confirm. It’s c.MP linked to Shippu – I mean, unless you really want to try to argue to me that people can hit confirm c.MP so fast they can do it as a cancel.
There’s really nothing else to say here.
I cannot stress this anymore. You can go on believing you read my post, and stay where you are, in terms of reading comprehension, or search out some better schools then your regulars and be wowed into the faith. Because in this life, reading is fundamental.
I think what it comes down to is, You gotta learn to read.
hit confirms don’t end up as links just so you know, else we’d call them links. Confirmation just means you see the hit and react to it. It can end up cancelled if you’re faster than your average scrub, or it can end up linked.
As for the mk =/= mp thing, I guess I mixed up your post with heatblazn. I can call fault on that, but one thing I do know, is that I’m not wrong about what I’m typing. I talk to Amir about this kind of shit all the time, and like me, he doesn’t know the numbers, but experience shows otherwise.
I remember saying “I’m not going to pretend to know the numbers”, so of course there might be a doubt, but whether or not you get more time with one or the other, they’re both still hit confirm able. I’d like to show you. I’m going to FFA tonight, but I don’t think you live in the area.
I just hope you realize I’m not trying to be a dick here.
I am an english major at ucla, I don’t think I’m the smartest nor do I attempt to appear that way, but I know I can read. Another thing I know is that you CAN hit confirm:
s.rh avec Dudley
cr. Forward ? Ken
cr. strong mit Ken
cr.strong is also pretty easy to hit confirm, but the target combo would be cr. strong xx short dart xx sa3 which I still have trouble doing. same goes for st. strong, that one though is a lot of easier to do.
and if I have spelling mistakes and grammar mistakes please don’t correct me. That’s just petty.
You’re trying to correct my use of terminology when you’re using the wrong terminology everywhere?
When people hit confirm Ken c.MP, it’s a link, not a cancel. Maybe every now and then, someone sticks out c.MP and sees it’s going to counter hit, so they confirm it so quick, it cancels. But if you go into training mode, and put the dummy on crouch and random block, you’re not canceling it, you’re linking it.
EDIT (forgot to mention): c.MP xx Ducking xx Super is not be a “target” combo. A target combo is just another name for a chain, although I think most people use the word target instead of chain when the chain is hit confirmable to super.
I didn’t correct your spelling and grammar mistakes. I don’t care about those. Shit, I wrote “talking” instead of “walking” in my first post – it happens. I care about you telling me I’m wrong, and then talking about something completely different and not even using the right terms to describe it.
How can you have a doubt that a link doesn’t give you more time to confirm then a cancel? Maybe if we were talking about a move with a weird cancel window, like Chun’s c.MK or something. But we’re not.
Ok. Go into training, and put the dummy on crouch, and random block, and then c.MK hit confirm Shippu. Although the PS2 version is faster then arcade, I’ll bet you couldn’t even get it 15 times out of 20.
But it’s besides the point. Even if someone like Amir, who has the best reflexes I’ve seen, with both hit confirms (Chun s.MP wtf) and defense, could truly hit confirm c.MK (not counterhit, or stand confirming), that’s still easier then Dudley s.HK. Ken c.MK is right on the borderline of being hit confirmable. Dudley s.HK is way past that line.
I don’t own any sort of strategy guide for the game nor do I read up on the game much online, so my use of the term “target combo” is likely off, but I use it in a more literal sense. Your target - the combo you want to do after a certain attack - is so and so. That’s how I used it there, I don’t know if it’s stated otherwise elsewhere, but just thought I 'd explain how I use it.
As for the c.mk vs. cr.mp I can’t claim too much confidence because of my prior statement. maybe one of the two recovers quicker and the hit stun stays the same. I wouldn’t know, but as long as I can do them consistetly I’m not going to worry about it.
as for your little wager thing, I’ll see about getting my ps2 back, and my buddy ray’s stick and I’ll see if I can tape it for you. I’m pretty sure I can do it.
Honestly, I’d be surprised if you could even get it right 5/20 times, legitimately. The problem is, even with flat out guessing, you could get it 10/20 times assuming the computer blocks roughly 50% of the time. Which is why I put the bar so high to begin with.
basically dander is right: you CAN hit confirm s. rh into ex mgb.
of course going into training mode and setting dummy to random guard is much different than performing hit confirms in an actual match… theres many other elements such as anticipation and footsies, that help imrpove “hit confirm” accuracy in an actual match. it is still possible to do in training mode too however, just takes good reaction and practice - vic does it.
anyways, you dont use s. rh from point blank that much anways… you use it to hit limbs so whats the point of hit confirming it up close? just do f+mk, f+rh, or short short super til they die.
as dander said, hit confirming low forward xx shippu, or st. rh xx ex mgb, is basic shit. if you cant do it, i dont know what to say… are you playing on xbox live?
hunterSFL: your alternate definitions for “hit confirm” are fine (and make sense), but i play arcade 3s, not training mode. hit confirm/link/late cancel/blaaaah has only one worthwhile meaning in actual play, and that is “not getting your shit blocked and eating a free combo.”
hit confirming ex mgb is a stupid argument anyways, because daddori is too gdlk already. a blocked ex mgb every now and then is necessary to balance him out.
Are you trying to argue that the method used to hit confirm the s.HK is irrelevant as long as you can do it in an actual match? Because if that’s your point, you missed the point of the thread.
The thread doesn’t ask “can s.HK xx EX MGB be guaranteed to hit,” it specifically says “hit confirmed.” We know there’s no ambiguity in what the OP meant by “hit confirm” because he talks about whiffing s.HK with EX MGB as option select as a method to hit confirm it already. He was specifically talking about doing a s.HK that will touch them, but they might block.
So I answered the question he asked, and the answer was no. Then, I clarified that what some some might perceive as a hit confirm, might not be truly defined as a hit confirm, as it depends on how broad your definition is. However, to the strictest definition of the term, (which is how it’s used 99% of the time), the answer is no. That’s it. This wasn’t a discussion of effectiveness of methods of landing EX MGB.
You play Arcade 3S? That’s nice, I play Console 3S. What’s your point? This is a message board, not an arcade. The only thing we have on this board is theory fighter. So contrary to (what seems to be) your point, there is a very black and white answer to the OP’s question here. That whole “at the end of the day what matters is that you land it” thing was not the point of this thread.
…Why would you even say something like that? In the types of games we play, if something can be done, someone will do it consistently. That’s like saying “you can charge partition, but no one really does it.” Or "you “can karapalm, but no one really does it.” There are extremely hard things in fighting games that people not only learn to do, but learn to do consistently. If it were really possible to hit confirm s.HK into EX MGB, you’d be seeing it. The fact that you literally never do, could actually be considered proof enough that it can’t be done.
This is my last post in this specific thread because it’s obvious theory fighter is something you might excel at meanwhile, I know I’m no good at it. But what I do know, is that we are telling you it can be done, because we do it. Not all the time, maybe not even most of the time, but we do it. Counter poking with RH gives you time to confirm your hit, and then I can assure you we’ll follow up with the ex MGB. You can argue that numbers don’t add up, but for some reason we still do it. Right? I am taking your bet at evo btw.
I’ll be the drunk guy. Or the sober guy hanging around Amir and Yi. And Sanchez. And drunk. and playing 3rd strike on the marvel side of the byoc. and drunk.
people do hit confirm s.rh into ex mgb. i do it, other people do it. same as low forward shippu. there are many different ways to hit confirm it, some people actually look at the score, and confirm it through if the score changes.
It doesn’t really happen all the time though, cause no one is 100%. But people it can be done, and people do it…however most people just buffer anyway to hit off limbs. It can be blocked high or low, unlike low forward, so theres not much point to just throw it out while they’re blocking…you get what i mean?
If you want, whenever i go back to my moms, i’ll grab the ps2 and do a random block vid.
I still don’t think you understand the difference in what we’re talking about here.
Do you know how good it would be if you could do s.HK on their wake up and hit confirm EX MGB? You’re saying people don’t do that because they don’t need to? That’s not why they aren’t doing that. If that were possible, people would be doing that as a high option all day. That shit would be better then overhead -> SA3, because unlike t.HK, s.HK can be canceled, which makes it safer. In the corner, that shit would be ridiculous. So you’re telling me people don’t do that because they don’t need to, even though they can?
Last time. Ready?
We’re not talking about counter poking.
I’m well aware that there are situations that allow you to ensure that the EX MGB will hit. For example, you might see them stick out a poke right before you hit s.HK, in which case you can do the EX MGB because either you’re going to beat their poke, or s.HK will be beat. They can’t block because they stuck out the poke.
This is not what we’re talking about.
The situation you should be picturing is the opponent waking up, and you doing s.HK. They either get hit, or block. That’s it. They don’t stick out a poke, they don’t parry, you don’t parry, nothing else.
Cool. I’ll be the guy taking your money in the bet.
No, I actually don’t know what you mean. Who cares if it can be blocked high or low. If you could truly hit confirm it, that wouldn’t matter, you’d be looking for the hit. So if you could hit confirm it, there would very much be a point to throwing it out while they’re blocking, especially since s.HK is so good at counter hitting.
Please. Also, I was trying to think of a way to make the test a little safer against straight guessing, because even 15/20 is guessable after a few attempts. So I think the better test is doing it in a row. Do 10 s.HKs total, if you cancel when it hits, that’s considered correct, and if you don’t cancel when it’s blocked, that’s correct. Doing it like this, the odds of guessing all 10 correct in a row are 1:1024. That will show it’s really hit confirming, and not guessing. And I know with all the hit confirms I use, I can easily do it 10 times in a row.
omg… no they REALLY don’t need to. dud has a godly wakeup game in the corner (especially after super + rose). f+rh -> super = free (+ crouching damage bonus) in the corner since f+rh is unblockable. meaty st. rh isnt that good since if they block it you arent in a good position since you get pushed back. on the other hand f+mk is hit confirmable to super, gives him frame advantage, and moves him forward. you have to take into account that everyone is a fucking guesser as well… f+rh can be cancelled into mk, and f+mk can be canceled into super. st. rh xx ex mgb is just for punishing blocked supers and stuff and for punishing limbs midscreen and then getting them to the corner with a juggle. corner = death.
do you even play dudley?
to sum it up:
all the people who actually play the game, just care about counter poking with st. rh into ex mgb, because that is pretty much all its used for.
all you care about is hit confirming it on a random guard training dummy because you dont think its theoretically possible.
in conclusion, whether or not it is possible to hit confirm it on a random guard dummy is irrelevant, because it is not of much practical use (besides training your reactions). it IS POSSIBLE to do though, and im sure someone will prove you wrong soon enough (with video evidence).
