Because MLG is the same company as WCG, right?
WCG can’t even run Halo right.
There’s like an MLG Ad to like the left of me while I’m reading this thread.
God, that’s creepy.
I’d rather see Guilty Gear at MLG, watch everyone get confused and upset at what they were watching, and forget about the FGC altogether.
The only positive thing I can see coming out of this is a higher budget for ‘Smaller’ events, if it did well. But that would probably mean MLG would want to insert their ideas into every situation and then all of a sudden we’re playing their game and not our own, at which point people would get frustrated and go back to having independent tournies and ranbats unrecognized by MLG’s standards…or they could just give organizers a bunch of money and fuck off…?
Its calling you to join…
REALLY!!! that can’t be real somebody please wake me up.
I dont see how SF4 being in MLG would cause any harm.
If it is run terribly, then that’s MLG’s problem.
I dont see it doing anything except creating hype.
What I do see though, is a bunch of misconceptions flying around on both sides. Someone earlier said something about driving cross country in a cramped car for a tournament - you realize that people do that for all genres, not just fighting games.
IMO if you guys really despise MLG that much you should just sign it so that they can fail.
In their defense this was from a gameshow that forces every contestant to play certain games and ‘learn’ them for a short time.
But yes, the gameplay is garbage.
Lol ultimate gamer seems to get the shittiest players. I don’t play every genre of gaming but I have common knowledge of what works and doesn’t
I Say more tournaments the better so hope the have it on their line up
Do not want MLG.
This is pretty much all i’m getting from MLG. Casuals bought SF4, MLG saw it as a easy cashcow. What I don’t think they expected were people to still hate them for their past fuckups and that the overal new players would override their thought.
good try MLG. Work on your fighting game mind game skills. :tup:
Yup, anti-capitalist paranoia, that’s what I like in my competitive communities.
What MLG has is nice tournaments with nice equipment at nice locations. It’s very difficult for community run tournaments to afford to rent better locations, create great setups, and buy their own TVs and systems, or put up prizes in advance. To be able to afford all that stuff you generally need investors, and to get investors you need to make their money back at some point. This is the general nature of competitive organizations of any variety, be they poker, auto racing, or athletics.
SFIV tournaments are really well run in a lot of cases, yes, but you still run risks with consoles, inconsistent TVs, and payouts being variable at the whims of turnout and the factors that affect it, like weather or other sudden events.
I appreciate a lot of you don’t trust MLG because you think you/people around you got financially screwed, and that’s fair. But a lot of you didn’t and are just trying to act big, and overall a ton of you are acting on second hand experience. The Smash and Halo players have never had a problem, and MLG has nothing to gain by just trying to dick over Tekken and Street Fighter players. They’re a bloody corporation, they aren’t going to take any sadistic pleasure in messing around with a handful of video game players.
“smash and halo players…”
exactly. let them scrub it up. keep MLG out of fighting games. NEXT!
FUCK all this noise!
The community can rise up and just build their own series.
Think about it:
FGC has tournament organizers, mc’s, pr people, event managers, etc etc etc, AND a passion for fighting games.
At the next major, people need to step up and film it with a passion to get the good word out.
We can do better than this garbage.
what I don’t get though is when we ever really asked to be super mainstream publicity? We already get props as it is within the FG community from the tournaments going on. Most of us play for the hell of it and just love to play the game. While it’s nice to play for money and be sponsored, i’m sure no one is really asking for that. Especially not from MLG.
:shake::shake:
It sounds like the majority of you weren’t a part of the community pre-SFIV. As master-Chibi pointed out, the community has been growing exponentially since the game came out, and its still growing. We don’t need MLG’s “help”. We are doing fine on our own.
No one is saying mlg is needed, aside the people saying we don’t need them lol.
For me, it isn’t a matter of anti-capitalist paranoia.
The supposed goal of MLG is to raise competitive gaming to the level of spectator sports, while providing an environment to do so. Prior to SF4, they dabbled in the genre, but ultimately decided that the competitive fighting game seen was–for various reasons–not an appropriate genre to promote as a spectator “sport.” Now, somehow it is.
Taking the question of whether the fighting game community is even interested in making fighting games a spectator event out of the equation for a second, let’s ask ourselves, who is MLG looking out for here? Obviously MLG, not the fighting community. Where was MLG when the 2D fighting community dwindling away to nothing? Making no effort to support us. Although Tekken has received some support over the years, the 2D fighting crew has seen nothing from MLG.
But now? Suddenly they’re supposedly interested in supporting the scene. Obviously, their intentions are not altruistic. Since they’re looking out of number one, I’m left to ask, what’s in it for us?
More cash tournaments are obviously good. They might also offer more exposure, but lets face it, with the amount of people tuning into streams, we’re doing fine without them. But as far as this goes, people actually in the scene are already doing a pretty good job of doing these themselves. I know at least the last state and area I was living in back in the states are doing tournaments roughly 4 times more frequently with larger attendances. Evo was bigger than ever last year. It’s expected to have an even larger turnout this year.
What we know for a fact we’ll be getting is people who know nothing about the scene, the culture, and the games running tournaments. This is simply never a good thing for the players. I’ve done a fair amount of event production in the past, and virtually everytime people who aren’t really involved the scene try to do an event, it ends up sucking ass for both the attendees and the talent. They simply don’t know what the expectations are. People who have to ask what the basic needs of the players are should not be running events.
Let’s say I’m wrong entirely and MLG is the best thing ever for the fighting game community. What about already existing fixtures in the community? What of Evo? Final Round? NEC? What is the intent of MLG exactly? Is anyone in the fighting game community really happy with the idea of MLG finals becoming a bigger deal than Evo? How about other majors? Lets face it, MLG is the big dog when it comes to Halo and what not. Is the league really going to be happy taking the backseat to other majors?
I don’t really see why we as a community, now that times are good, should welcome in outsiders to step on the toes of tournament organizers who have been working hard for us even when times are bad. I would really rather see what we are already seeing: people in the scene continue to step up and make things better and better. We really don’t need MLG. If they want a piece of the 2D fighting pie, they need us.
Aside from that, the question I put aside at the beginning still stands; how does their goals as an organization mesh with our goals as a community? Are we really trying to turn fighting games into a spectator event for people who don’t play? Or are we trying to expand the player base? It seems to me that the latter is what we’ve been after, and this is not necessarily the main focus of MLG.
I guess I don’t really see how we are that great of a fit for each other.
Nah, when you on a multi-paragraph rant about how companies try to make money and that scares you, that doesn’t sound like you’re paranoid of capitalism at all
If you characterized what I wrote as a rant, I can only assume you didn’t read it.
This is obviously a big enough issue in the community that a few paragraphs of discussion are not unwarranted. I dealt with a legitimate questions; what’s in it for us? Do the positives outweigh the negatives?
If you don’t want to discuss that matter, that’s up to you I guess.
starcade rip brought up valid points, some of which I brought up here, as well as on the mlgpro forums (registered back in 05 when this originally occured).
MLG wanted nothing to do with our “small scene”. They cried that we couldn’t get sponsor support, that no one would understand what was happening (casual TV audience member that never touched a fighting game), that it wasn’t “TV friendly”.
Why now does MLG want to be apart of us? That is the question.
If you touched fire and got burned 5 years ago, what would make you think that touching fire now would result in something different from the first time?