I’ve uploaded a few new ones, but my pc is acting weird so i cant upload them all just yet. Anything you guys think i should change or anything from watching them let me know. I take on board all advice no matter how bad you think you might be and i try to implement it as much as i can. so thankyou for all the advice and tips so far
Ranked 9 Vs Sim
I like how the first 50 secs equaled about 50% of sim’s life in that round. Its the pure of example of what sim gets for getting too close. Then again when it hits 2:30 (in the second round) you put him on blast showing what happens when Adon gets in.
I know we all look down on jumpers but I feel there are certain match ups that require just a bit jumping that usual (depending on the opponent of course but not to bring back up the earlier argument). With that said, I think when you started to jump towards the end to get closer to that Sim was well called for. Maybe someone else has an alternative but because he jumped and not toothed, Tiger made the Sim whiff some of his attacks which caused him to flee.
Ranked 10 & 12 Vs Gouken
In 10 I dont know what you were trying to accomplish with the air jk’s. I feel that they were too random. I dont know if 10 and 12 were fought on the same day so maybe those air jk screwed with his head but in 10 they felt like you were just doing them just to say do them. In 12 however they were well placed and well timed. In short too much air time in 10, just right in 12. Oh btw, I see your loving that ex-jt. I remember how i told you about your love for jt (see above) lol.
Ranked 11 Vs DeeJay
From my own experience, I learned that Deejays dont like pressure. You kinda gotta treat them like Guile but you must be cautious. First off crossing them up is a hell-of-a bad idea since they got some wake up options (better than guile imo). Second is leaving them the space to throw those max projectiles. 0:25-0:34 is what the Deejay wants to do in this match. His jump is annoying and so is his forward throw but he sticking close to him is a good idea.
From 1:40 to 1:54 we see that going airborne against Deejay is a bad idea. His air to air/ground game imo is quite good againt Adon therefore probably best to stay low and find ways to get to him particularly ex tooth or as you did, Jaguar Revolver. Speaking of JR, awesome win on both rounds. As long as I have been using JR, focus to bait the next projectile was waaaaaay far from my mind. Gotta do this in future.
Ranked 13 Vs Guile
First round
Impatient! Impatient! Impatient! I believe you got frustrated after being flashed kicked at 0:33, 0:38 and the back breaker at 0:48. In that first round I think you were so focused on getting in that you kinda did all kinds of reckless stuff just hoping on something to connect. You didnt respect that flash kick enough and chose some really odd combo enders like jk and jt which both ate guile’s flash kick.
Second round
I loved how you crouched the beginning of the round. Its like he sits thinking “What the hell did I do in the last round? Alright lets try this…” but showed me that you actually was trying to analyze the situation.
Anyways this match started off right until 1:56 when guile jump kicks you and you guys reset. I am quite sure from then to 2:03 you know thats what Guile wants (chuck SB from a corner all day). However you showed that you were patient and intelligent and made your way in there and once you got in, you only got out if you wanted to get out. Sure the guile knocked you a back once at 2:18 outta that jt but you came right back with that jk that put him on notice that you still have a couple of days on your lease in that place. Better played round.
Third round
I saw you briefly squat but after I saw you move I said “oh hell, he is not thinking again…”. Hell from 2:48 to 3:07 I figured you lost due to impatience again. However somewhere in your mind, a light turned on, and a pretty light at that and you saw what was going on. Focus into JR to get in and do hella damage. Love it! I also see why you noted in the comments that thank you for the new ex-jt because without it, you would have lost. You really did some unsafe stuff in this particular fight. Guile and Deejay in particular you want to slow it down. Yea we wanna get in but doing hk jt wont cut it as its a huge risk.
Edit: I just got home and realized that I didnt say this: with Guile in the first two rounds you werent knocking him down. Put him down on his hienie and he cant run away as easy as he wants…
No comments for gamerbee match although I havent watched yet. Probably after Norcal tourney that I was watching in between typing these comments. Plus I saw Daigo mad…
God damn. Thankyou for such an indepth analyses of my matches.
V Sim: I normally get anti aired for fun and it can be a pain to get in for me, so I decided to just wait. After all, the rounds are 99secs and you don’t get bonus credit for winning in record time. It seems sims get really impatient if you do this which makes most of their tools ineffective.
V Gouken: TBH I was just getting used to using air jk more. One of the comments on here said i should look to use them more. So i thought it would be a good idea to start practicing using them more,since gouken has no srk to punish me with lol.
V Djay: If you watch any of my replays you’ll notice that I always do focus to bait projectile then JR against most of the fireball cast. Certain chars i dont try it on (i.e dan, sakura) but the rest, if they have a fb i’ll always try to get it. I would say 85% of the time it’ll work.
V Guile: That match is just bad on all levels lol, I was getting flustered, started doing crazy stuff for no reason. Chasing him down which I rarely do. It was just alot of fail lol and i got lucky thanks to EX jag tooth projectile invincibility.
Durant: did you watch the LA coverage from last weekend? There was a match between Filipino Champ and an Adon (I think - is need to check, but I’m out of house right now) - id be really interested to see what you made of that match.
I’ve found the advice you’ve written above to be excellent - well worded, considered and analyzed, hence my interest.
TigerM - sorry if this is hijacking your thread, let me know and i’ll move it
TigerMoggy - just watched the Guile match - why do you play from the back of the court vs Guile? I found myself subconciously trying to get in towards him on my imaginary joystick! - Also, I liked how you consistentnly crossed him up when you had him pinned in the corner - didn’t let him get charge at all. Just sad watching your naked HK.jt get smacked on repeatedly
Vs Gouken - you never gave him room to breathe - also, you predicted where he was going to place his fireballs - something I’m consistently rubbish at!
Vs DJ - nice bait - you were really patient and waited until he threw out his 2nd fireball - then hit him with U1. Properly planned and executed. What was with all the jumping in tho, half way through each of the rounds?
vs Sim - patience, patience, patience. You took the life lead and left him to think about how he was going to beat your style - he telegraphed that he wanted to fireball -> teleport, and you were waiting with good reactions on his 'port. Then in R2, when you take a beating, he finds himself stranded in the corner, with you covering his escape, before you careful get in, past his lowered drawbridge, and proceed to dizzy him for his trouble. I was surprised he went with U2 tho - as I would have thought that U1 would be better, as it can catch JKs. Admittedly, you were never stood at a distance where he could have made that work
Thank you for putting these up - it must be hard to let everyone scrutinize your every in-game play!
Tigermoggy if we are hijacking your thread I sincerely apologize. However I think the analysis does us some good particularly when it can show us what not to do. With that said, Eben01 I actually didnt watch Revelation 2011 however as you brought up that match, I went and sought out that video. After watching it, I attempted to find two aspirin to ease the pain from the mistakes I saw. I wanted to get a drink to forget but then I remembered I was asked to give my opinion on that match so gonna pass (at least till I am finished). Tiger you thought that your match with that Guile was bad? You got to see this match.
Disclaimer
I made an attempt to check the rules on posting links and didnt see anything against it but if it is against the rules mods, please forgive me as I have been a mod myself on another forum and I know the crap you guys go through and the reason why I am posting it is so us Adon players can get better.
Also be prepared for long bricks of text. Sorry about it guys.
The Video: Filipino Champ (Dhalsim) VS Munchi (Adon)
Video link(starts at 0:51:28)
Also let me say that I mean no disrespect to any players in this critique. In my honest opinion, there are no masters, only students and I for one can say my Adon sucks and worse although I can give input and when really under fire, I barely remember the things I should. I review my matches when I can therefore I guess I picked up this trait (plus I work in a financial industry so I gotta analyze stuff) but in no way am I the Grand Master Adon. Now sorry for boring you but on with the critique.
Round 1 Set 1
Okay so to keep it simple, Champ is Sim and Munchi is Adon (yeah I know the names on top but easier to type). So match begins and what do you know? Sim opens yoga fire. Adon’s answer? Focus back dash. Not a bad answer, however Sim’s answer to that is another yoga fire but what does Adon do? Neutral Jump. When I saw this i was like huh? The reason why is because we all know that the sim match up is a problem in the sense that Sim stretches pretty much near full screen so really any movement in the air that aint getting you closer to Sim puts you at risk for a Yoga Intercept. Yeah I said it. So with that, its no surprise that at 0:51:33 Sim walked forward and kicked Adon while in the air and followed that up with a dual fist on the ground. Free damage ftl.
So I think Adon learned that lesson and made his advance on the third yoga fire and used the air jk to push him forward to get Sim (0:51:37-39). “Yes!” I said but then I saw a problem. Eager to attack Sim, he attempted a cr mp however he was too short to actually hit and to make up for the distance used a st rh which was blocked. Now Sim saw the missed cr mp which caused him to block (you only see the crouch in the beginning after recovery frames) and the st rh due to block, pushed Sim further out of reach pretty much causing a reset of the situation. Now I really think most of us in that situation would have done the same thing on reaction and only because we are looking at it now can we actually analyze this but in my opinion the better option might have been to go back up in the air after the cr mp. Its a risk but it gets you closer to Sim and with him down you might have a chance to get a better position. For the record I stopped it here and wondered if f mp (slow overhead) would work. I think the last hit would but because of slow start up it was also a risk. Anyways moving on.
So with the reset, Sim starts pushing Adon back out with his pokes until 0:51:50 when Adon uses EX jt to get back in. Nice attack but from the amount of pokes I saw Adon took kinda wondering if he could have rj’d one of those earlier for the knock down. I digress and make this thing longer… So Adon gets in but does st rh again which is blocked and pushes himself out again. At this point let me just say that st rh was not a good option due to the push back. Maybe wait for Sim to get up and take action then or throw (although I think this was expected and Adon didnt want to be thrown hence why he stayed back) or maybe rh jk. Maybe iajk was a better option too since I think it would have kept him in there. Anyways end of round one.
Round 2
So Adon starts off on the defensive blocking Sims pokes trying to get in from the ground (no easy feat). I just want to note this point real quick, look what happens at 0:52:22-23. I think cr FP can get that. What do you guys think? Anyways so at 0:52:30 Adon ex jt which blocked but I am surprised by the reaction. Neutral jump RH. “Finally!” I exclaimed but was disappointed when I saw the sweep follow up. I really think he should have tried to get a knock down from rh rj. In my opinion Sim, Deejay and Guile in particular, KNOCK THEM DOWN! To me they are annoying on both of their legs so keep them off it. For pretty much from 0:52-33-54 its a slaughter as Adon get stuck in the corner against an agressive Sim who can smell the blood already. That is until Adon finally gets a break (back j fp) to st rh (actually puts him in position for) to ex jk. Upon wake up fakes some jabs to get him to block into throw and finally pesters Sim back in the corner and catches him mashing with a rh jk. Look what Adon did in 12 secs in time just bring him back in the match. He put fear in the Sim by going offensive. Bout damn time if you ask me. However after his fury, Adon lets up which was a bad move because from beginning of round 2 I noticed the super meter from Sim was full and figured that was Sim’s ace in the hole. With the one stock I had left I probably would have tried to get back into the corner for another ex jk to something because the super was definitely coming.
More on the next post.
Wow did not know there was a character limit… Anyways part 2…
Set 2, All rounds combined
Okay gonna try the rest of this brief since Set 1 was very long and I think most people wont read this but anyway…
Very interesting freeze frame 0:53:30. Adon counters something with standing mk. I know its a good poke but I would not have thought it was THAT good! (Okay I now know how to post images on the forums) I had an image but forum wont let me post it…
Freeze frame at 0:53:43 where Sim uses Yoga fire (No image attached lazy bums). Note the distance then note that f mp works. Remember there was something underlined under round 1, set 1. Since Sim is already slow chracter maybe this is an option that we can look into…
Freeze frame at 0:54:36 Adon counters Sims pokes with ex-rj (Nope to attachments). Honestly i think regular rj would have been fine but job got done, Sim’s on his ass for a brief second and Adon can move in.
Last note, the commentators said Munchi missed his opportunity at 0:54:53 when Sim did Yoga Inferno but I wonder. Sure Adon might get thru with ex jk (doubtful as I never tried) and I really think Revolver would be stopped cold (also never tried) so not sure what they wanted him to do. Then again Revolver on Sim recover frames as short as that maybe might have been the clear solution but the timing is very quick.
Finally I just want to say that Munchi fought this match similar to an Adon vs Sagat match. In that match up, Gat has to push you out with tiger shots so the walk and block works a lot better there. As for Sim, you have to get a bit airborne and have to take some risks to get in. Another problem that Munchi faced in this match was a lack of meter gain for ex moves due to all the defense and blocking. You want to get that meter up fast at least to ex jt through a yoga fire and get closer to Sim or if not that, ex jk to slam him down. From watching the video, I do believe that Munchi was not well versed in the Sim match up and thats why that particular fight looked the way it did. I must also say that I agree with the commentators about Adon and his features for this match up. There is no easy button which calls Daigo Umehara to dp the crap outta Sim allowing you flawless victory but Adon can get in and can pretty much rape sim when he has a chance and 0:52:54 to 0:53:06 proves this. So again guys sorry for the long bricks of text but there were some interesting things to look at in that match to point out.
One more thing, wtf were those guys doing for button checks? Dont they know you test buttons and then play your match and not finish off the entire first round…
No, you’re not hijacking. feel free, its an interesting read.
I would say i’m not your typical rush down adon,I like to play patient.If I don’t play patient I end up doing crazy,erratic, random stuff like in the guile match lol. I feel more comfortable playing patient since I use the D-Pad. And I don’t mind uploading them as people will have a better objective view on things I need to improve/stop doing to help me get better.
Vs djay: The jumping was me finding out if this guy does the anti airs kick move alot or not, i’ve found that some djay users don’t use his anti air.
Munchi wasn’t mixing in after-apex JK’s on Champ, which should be any Adon’s primary tool for getting in on Sim. It’s stupid how much a LK AJK can make a Sim gunshy about using st. mp or st. hk for anti-air. After that, you can cross-up vortex them to death, or punish crouch tech with IAJKs/neutral jump HKs all day.
I agree with the lack of mix ups to get in Zeck, but i really dont think that vortex would have worked for long. While Champ’s Sim was more stationary this was due to Munchi’s inability to get in. In short, that Sim might have acted differrent if the Adon was played right.
True, though the point is to present a varied offense, and any time you take tools away from an opponent, you are gaining an advantage.
“Cross-up vortex” as in the constant cross-ups in all your videos? “Cross-up vortex” is more of an Xbox live tactic than anything else. I can’t recall any top Adons relying on this (Gamerbee, Zade, Riki-oh). Also FC has arguably one of the best Sim’s in the U.S. and I highly doubt this would be a viable tactic that would fool him for long.
Uploaded a few new replays, been experimenting with the quality. So hopefully they will be much better quality than before.
It’s not necessarily cross-ups. Look at the recent CEO vids of gamerbee using safe jump neutral HK into the IA neutral jump mk mixup. It’s incredibly difficult to pull off online because of the lag, but it’s just one of the many airborne mixups that Adon has available once he gets in on a guy.
Or better yet, why don’t you chill the fuck out with the internet stalking and let people try out what they want? The OP is, in fact, an XBL gamer, playing matches online. I’m sorry that not every piece of advice is going to be some sort of universal truth, but it looks like most of the other people in this thread don’t need to shit on everyone else without offering alternatives.Clearly, I reached #7 on the Adon rankings on XBL by being awful.
If the tips don’t work for you, then move on. If they do, awesome, I’m glad I could help.
Looks like you’re the one that needs to chill buddy. Btw I have zero respect for mashers of any kind.
Delusional, actually you were the one who provoked the matter. Zeck show a bit of restraint please.
Now again, please chill out. Delusional its a forum. You don’t have to respect Zeck but keep it out the thread.
That is my last warning on this matter.
Tiger will check them out later. On vacation so I got a bit of time.
I checked out one of them last night - the quality is definately better - you can see more of what’s going on. What set up are you using to caputure?
I just use a crappy dazzle that I have and then run them through windows movie maker hd to make the quality better. Glad to hear the quality is better, thanks
btw. if any of you guys want to add me on xbl feel free.
Amusing admission - I’m already “Following” you on the new AE replays [this was before I knew you were posting on SRK, too!]
As for the Dazzle - you might find it better to stick at 480p capture and output tho - the 720p wasn’t truly sharp as the dazzle can’t actually capture that depth of info in the first place, I beleive. That should also clear up any of the slight juddering you’re getting, and speed up the post-processing for you too
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I would follow but I play on PSN.