That’s an inherent thing in all ccgs and most games as well.
Dhalsim stayed shit after vanilla, he got very minor buffs that were mostly ineffective. Simply making him and others better wasnt what they wanted to do.
You can complain all you want here but it isn’t going to do much. Can send it to them directly but I don’t think Blizzard will be moved much.
Just look at how the WoW cash train is doing. I’ve invested way less into Hearthstone then the FG hobby and am fairly comfortable with how they are doing things, so to each their own.
Firstly I’m mostly talking about what I’ve heard about other card games (Magic for example), not hearthstone. Hearthstone team does seem to try and that is all one can ask for. That is probably one of the reasons why it is the most popular, and even many people who never cared or played ccg/tcgs before got into it (including myself).
In fighting games they often try to balance characters, sometimes some don’t fit the system well. Dhalsim still has had lobsided matches in his favor, and is completely unique to all other characters. However what if with dhalsim, they just said, let’s make him useless…like dies in one hit and unable to block? That would be a more fair comparison. People complain all the time about balance, but at least the company is trying. They don’t just make a character completely useless (well Dan is a running joke, but that is cause he it is supposed to be funny thought he humor died out many years ago if it was even there).
With card games, making cards absolutely unusable in any situation, or making straight up superior versions of the same card is something unique to that genre. It isn’t really comparable to other game genres certainly not fighting games. In fighting games all characters are accessible to everyone, so you can use everyone. In card games no one has all the cards even those that spend tons of cash.
Card games would be infinitely better if companies tried to make every card interesting/viable. What would that do? Increase creativity/variety, increase enthusiasm by new players, make every pack (unless it is all duplicates) satisfying to open.
The cash train is flowing, but that is cause consumers let it flow. If they wanted a change, and spoke with their money, there would be a change. It doesn’t have to be accepted as something set in stone or the way of the world.
End up how it is now. I feel like every naxx/gvg card has at least attempted to do something interesting without causing a power creep.
Look at the new 5 mana 3/3 that summons a minion when damaged. I think it will be too situational, but ayo can’t wait to experiment with it. If it ends up being recognized as bad in a few weeks, does that make it no longer an interesting card?
What if they add something like the hobgoblin that gives all 1 hp minions charge… Well that could make a lot of cards viable but opens up a whole new can of worms that could super negatively impact the meta.
Most of the bad cards are in the original set, which honestly makes sense because they needed enough cards at the start.
It’s a balancing act, and I think you’re over simplifying “making every card interesting”.
You guys act like they are printing 2 Mana vanilla 1/1s to scam you. Every card was made with some unique intention, even if its just being a solid arena pick. Magma raider ended up bad, but it wasn’t designed to be bad on purpose
Again it was a general comment on card games. As I said I have no qualms with Hearthstone’s card design, cause they seem to really be trying to make every card viable and or interesting. I applaud them. They’ve been very giving with the free packs like GvG, the free naxx wing, the great starter cards that include many deck staples, and dailies/arenas making it easy to build your collection without spending a penny.
My initial question was concerning some general comments I’ve heard from card players, it wasn’t concerning hearthstone. Again to be clear…I love hearthstone, and I love how they’ve conducted their business.
Outside of some of the GvG stuff bringing some frustrating RNG I’ve loved all the stuff. They have been doing some damn good work.
Most of my stuff was directed at Tataki, who usually starts crap everywhere without understanding what he is going on about.
I do think some bad cards are good to have around for learning. But I do love building decks with certain ideas and showing those people you can have something fun, different, and competitive to spice things up.
Just built a new Deathrattle/reincarnate Shaman I’m having loads of fun with and hasn’t been beat in ranked.
Nobody can handle the Nerubian or Kel Thuzad swarm.
My opinion on the Wings is that they should have the first one free at all times as advertisement for each adventure, maybe design the rewards and price accordingly.
I built a deathrattle shaman awhile back, it was a lot of fun. Do you use Baron Rivendare? I don’t see him around much, but I loved using him, and then reincarnate. Since then I’ve made an overload token bloodlust shaman, also a lot of fun.
I think making the first one free does draw people in, cause then obviously every hearthstone player is going to get a taste. Then from that taste many will want more and want it now. 3500 gold…it will take awhile, but no packs/arena til I get it.
Yeah tossed baron in, just to try out. He’s been putting in some hella work so that is good.
Some dude tried to sunwell buff kill me turn three, made it a 10/10 and hit my face. BGH it and gain board dominance early. He thinks I am face hunter and spams all removal.
Turns out I’m control and its two turns before you can MC my Rag, and you are at 12 health.
Cryoh can fix that error and vouch for me. While madder bomber has been downright stupid sometimes, he has RNG saved me a hell of a lot more. Risk/Reward with him. I just try to minimize the risk and cross my fingers.
Hella funny duplicating him though. Though I prefer duplicated annoys or bomb lobber. Had five bomb lobbers and two rewinds one time.
Add me battle.net tag in here when I get home, play some of you guys. Cryoh and I are to the FG point where we know each other to well that its decided by turn two.
