Hearthstone - That other, other, other Blizzard game

[AYO]

Also, what needs to be considered is this model actually encourages parity. If everyone has access to the same cards the saturation of certain decks reaches a fever pitch. We even see it now on Hearthstone. Hunter always finds a way to be the most played class because it’s the cheapest class to make competitive on top of all of it’s other sensibilities.

Let’s look to Yugioh. There’s a completely free Yugioh simulator online with access to every card from the getgo called Dueling Network. In the last two weeks, every single match I’ve spectated (as I"m not interested in playing this format) has featured at least one Nekroz deck. Normally that’s impossible since Nekroz is ridiculously expensive. While it’s usually the top played deck it can only saturate so much of a tournament hitting 50% (and that’s being really generous) max because of the expense. DN has no such limiter and thus you will see that deck absolutely everywhere. The financial disparity means only certain people can play the deck but that also means people are playing cheaper cards and building decks to beat Nekroz. It’s why certain decks like Chain Burn can remain semi-relevant. The deck costs a couple of bucks max but can do well when built and run correctly (I’d even argue that its Nekroz matchup is better than other top tier decks).

When forced to use alternatives people will find worth and new strategy. While it seems really fucked up, financial disparity can actually help a game more than it hurts it.

Or you can give everyone access to all the cards, and actually balance them properly. Locking away content is not a real solution to imbalance. It only makes the problem worse. Just fix the actual imbalance.

That doesn’t make money.

Yeah where would my incentive to purchase and play be. At that point I’d just be earning easy card backs in an hour and fighting even more Tempo Storm copy/paste decks while earning fuck all for actually playing.

None of that is really a solution that works.

[Sesshomaru_2]

the most interesting deck Ive seen recently is this druid mill deck, my oponent keeps a slow hand size thanks to innervate and plays clockwork giants, naturalize is an evil card

[Sesshomaru_2]

btw, anyone has a complete card list that this deck uses?

[AYO]

I could show you my Millfurion Stormdraw, lacks Clockworks currently.

Its a good deck against control or stall, bad to rush and it isn’t quite there yet to be good. But it is damn fun to play.

[blufang]

Well I think tataki is saying why not give everyone all the cards, but for a set fee. That is where blizzard would get its money.
Then balance all the cards, try to make them all great, and thus there would naturally be a good amount of variety. With digital they can constantly balance and all that.

[Saitsu]

Well I think tataki is saying why not give everyone all the cards, but for a set fee. That is where blizzard would get its money.
Then balance all the cards, try to make them all great, and thus there would naturally be a good amount of variety. With digital they can constantly balance and all that.

Because it’s still less than what they would make on their current format unless you just want to turn it into a Subscription Based game where you have to pay to play it outright.

[blufang]

Yes…that’s the point it is less money. A lot less, and that is why it will never change. However for a competitive game the current format is much worse than what is employed for most other genres.

[Saitsu]

It’s a game that prides itself on RNG above all other CCGs. Blizzard doesn’t care THAT much. They care just enough so people don’t completely turn on the game.

[Darkstalker]

the most interesting deck Ive seen recently is this druid mill deck, my oponent keeps a slow hand size thanks to innervate and plays clockwork giants, naturalize is an evil card

When I know I’m playing Mill Druid, I start making insanely inefficient plays to limit my card hand size. Around turn 8 things can get nasty with Coldlight, Brewmaster, Coldlight or something like that.

Also always try to get them to lethal range, but don’t have it on board. If they see it, they are likely to Tree of Life on turn 9.

…yeah I meet a lot of them for some reason.

[Pimp_Willy]

It’s a game that prides itself on RNG above all other CCGs. Blizzard doesn’t care THAT much. They care just enough so people don’t completely turn on the game.

Just because gvg centered on RNG doesn’t mean hearthstone does as a whole

[Pimp_Willy]

Grim Patron and Bouncing Blades

https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/88/1.0

I already thought about that. But I think the effect only activates once, and after the other effects end, not DURING the other effects.

BTW they confirmed on twitter it works on each hit of bouncing blades/mad bomber/etc

[blufang]

1. Remember the first wing of naxx could be unlocked for free, you think they’ll do that for Blackrock Mountain?
2. I’ve heard card game players saying that bad cards need to exist, or that it is good for the game. Obviously some cards will be better than others due to synergies, strategies, etc. However it seems to be implied that cards made purposefully terrible are somehow a boon for the game. Can someone please explain?

[Saitsu]

1. Remember the first wing of naxx could be unlocked for free, you think they’ll do that for Blackrock Mountain?
2. I’ve heard card game players saying that bad cards need to exist, or that it is good for the game. Obviously some cards will be better than others due to synergies, strategies, etc. However it seems to be implied that cards made purposefully terrible are somehow a boon for the game. Can someone please explain?

1. Unlikely, or I imagine they would’ve said so already.
2. That…is false. Card games seem to love making bad cards but it’s not something helpful. Though there is a difference between outright bad cards and niche cards that can get better later. Card games do need the latter.

[Veserius]

outright bad cards are a pretty good learning tool though. Once you can understand why Magma Rager is bad, you’ve learned a lot about the game in the process.

[AYO]

Grim Patron and Bouncing Blades

https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/88/1.0

I already thought about that. But I think the effect only activates once, and after the other effects end, not DURING the other effects.

BTW they confirmed on twitter it works on each hit of bouncing blades/mad bomber/etc

Sweet, my explosion deck sees more life. Now if the Warrior 2/3 charge chick could get fixed I could make a mean Warrior deck that isn’t the one Warrior deck everyone already uses.

Warrior needs help.

[AreEyeSeaKay]

They said there will be no free wing this time.

I got hit for 26 damage by a otk warrior who had no board and a deaths bite equipped. Fun times.

I really don’t see that card working great. It’s a 5 mana 3/3 that needs a combo to do something. Idk I’m just not seeing it.

[AYO]

You can combo with it for sure, and that is where the fun comes from.

But the main thing I like is it is another panic card. By that I mean people will over exaggerate its strength and use unnecessary removal or trades to get rid of it. Same way people react to Venture Co and Sylvanas.

So either:

A- He wastes a precious removal card on a 3/3 with an interesting effect, or throws something big into it to kill it in one go weakening his board.

B- attempts to ignore and go face, giving me the time to set up a combo and dictate what happens.

Only thing that trumps it in my case is AOE removal like spell damage lightning storm or a flame strike.

Not saying it is the best. But I’ve seen far worse and I really want to experiment with this.

[blufang]

outright bad cards are a pretty good learning tool though. Once you can understand why Magma Rager is bad, you’ve learned a lot about the game in the process.

Wouldn’t interesting cards with strong potential but big drawbacks be a better way to teach? Like Magma rager still has his crappy stats, but some interesting effect. You would still understand the problem with having 1hp, but also not have a wasted card.

[AYO]

outright bad cards are a pretty good learning tool though. Once you can understand why Magma Rager is bad, you’ve learned a lot about the game in the process.

Wouldn’t interesting cards with strong potential but big drawbacks be a better way to teach? Like Magma rager still has his crappy stats, but some interesting effect. You would still understand the problem with having 1hp, but also not have a wasted card.

Not really, and if every card ever put out was viable it would cause people to buy less. That and a currently crap card could become good with a future release. I have hopes for Magma Rager and Fairies Dragon to see improvements based on this theme currently. Hell a card that gives Magma Ragerr charge, or one that works similar to Thermaplugg would be fun.

Unlike other CCGs when you do get commons you can at least get dust value out of them. I used to have boxes of useless commons because everyone else had the exact same thing, so I appreciate that aspect and the fact that I don’t have to spend money if I don’t want to.

[blufang]

People buy more than enough. Making crap cards to make people buy more is very scammy. People should open packs and see at least potential in all cards, not some that are garbage/useless. Again hearthstone at least seems that it tries to not do this.

I do see elementals getting buffed as well. Yeah maybe a card that gives all elementals charge.