good shit Boy of Joy, it’s great to know that the splash follow-up isn’t so dependent on the distance of the slide. We all look forward towards hearing from you soon!
Is there any reason to not mash P when sliding? Maybe so you don’t corner yourself but meh, damage is damage, no? :bgrin:
I’m really curious about his follow ups to his air attack that puts the opponent in the juggle state. If you could test that out too boy of joy that would be fantastic, just knowing that putting them into a juggle state then being able to get a free 360k or super afterwards would be good.
It would be better than only being able to ultra after like bison.
Gonna try this today. I know you can follow up with slide and ultra 2 but dunno about Oil Dive.
how about a video of all normals? handy if no cam … pls^
Has there been any talk about a kara throw? I mean Makoto gets a kara command throw and Hakan has a lot of command normals that pushes him forward.
both his atacks KICK and Punch result in a throw to do a kara Throw its need to put the direktion input bevore performng kara move and then the throw button but both will results in a throw it would be hard as hall and not worth while
So looks like you can’t do Oil Dive or Super off of a jumping MP juggle. Oil Dive and the Super in general have a really weird arc and hitbox and get stuffed by many many things. Definitely will have to experiment but not looking good for those moves.
His normals are great and I had good success with standing HP as anti-air, similar to Honda’s st. HP, but you don’t have to hit as early. Had some success with f. + HP as well, good range and seems good at keeping Gief/Hawk out.
FADC slide is pretty good, looks to be around neutral on frame advantage after FADC forward dash, but obviously people will have to test this.
did anyone else not like it when Wong rated Hakan 0 out of 10 saying that he sucks…(why you would play a grappler and not grapple for the entire match…i have no idea)
I dont think Jwong knows anything about grapplers
exactly but how can you not know that a grappler has to grapple his opponent?!
that’s like basic knowledge right there…
I’ve never seen him use a grappler in anything
becouse there is no known game where a grappler is competetiv 
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can someone test if its possible to Catch the Opponent with the Kick-Grab after a Standing Strong - Anti Air trade? i assume its possible since it can grab Jumpers and maybe “landing opponents” too ? That woul be AWSOME !
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just noticed that his SUPER is totaly lame Since the FREZE all oponents can just crouch after the ultra flashs only usable as Punish or maybe in a Combo??
Zangief is very competitive. T.Hawk is looking to be pretty good too.
Problem is as was stated on the fight night, Zangief and T.Hawk are at their best all the time, Hakan needs to be oiled up to be dangerous, which leaves him kinda shitty when he isn’t His 360 damage seems a little on the weak side compared to Zangief and T.Hawk too, might even be less than Abel’s Tornado Throw…
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Zangief is NOT competitive i MAIN Zangief and its not possible to win a Tournament with the 2 woerst Matchups in game!! He is FUN and GOOD but loos free against Seth/Sagat in SF4! And if you dont belive i know what im talking about read my Zangief Tutorial…
Actualy i thought his 360 damage is pretty good (it deals 3 times damage maybe you didnt notice it i guess it at 180-220
Everyone has their own opinions on characters, Justin can knock characters like Hakan and Adon but truth is every character has potential.
And of course, early in SF4’s lifespan Justin had Bison as high tier and Ken/Fuerte as high-mid, so the characters that a lot of people think are godlike might not be that outstanding in the long run either.
which will you guys be using as hakan’s ultra oil coaster or oil combination hold?
First i will stick with one ultra for the most part, so i can get the hang of it faster, i’m thinking oil coaster for starters, i have a feeling there will be many folks trying to jump over slow hakan at the beginning 