Had to get this off my chest

Now I’m going to be as objective as possible here so bare with me.
DPC Vs. JWong Low Tier: For those of you who don’t know what I’m referring to it was a HUGE major event at evo, between the aforementioned. Justin J a.k.a. DPC, Formerly known as Duc Jr won 10 to 6. People claim they lost respect for him for WINNING. Now the backstory for those of you who don’t know was…Dark prince and his crew/gang made a video crapping on a lot of east coast players. Justin Wong addressed this on an online radio station and challenged Buff Mike aka Mike Chaos aka Vin Diesel Dude to a match claiming he could beat him with ruby heart jill ken which is a wild claim considering how definitive marvel’s tier system is. DPC spoke up and said “I’ll take that bet” to which Justin Wong agreed. Buff Mike said he wouldn’t play unless JWong lost 50 pounds. Translated to “I’m not gonna play you.” Justin already lost lots of weight is no longer fat and was not about to become anorexic. So the match was set at 1k + side bets. Though JWong and DPC saw each other before that, JWong was not willing to play then. He said he would save the team for EVO as it wasn’t ready. I believe that JWong was depending on the mind game from all the crowd and wanted all his friends to get a chance to scrape up some dough too, so he declined my invitation to have them settle it there. I think thats understandable, so on to the match:

The Outcome: J wong played and lost. He did put up a GOOD fight considering the team but as I said Marvel’s tier system is definitive. The fact that he did win 6 games shows a mastery of patience/skill with JWong, and a lack of understanding on DPC’s part. However DPC did win and there are MANY “Top players” in the marvel community that would have lost 6 games just as well. Wong isn’t an idiot. He has played that team against some of the best in the nation, and has beaten them also. Giving him the idea that he even had a chance with the team. Now people claim that DP lost respect for winning that match, but only the myopic/biased people would see it that way. How many people right now if someone came to them and challenged them to a game they were good at and told them they would stack odds against themselves pretty much guaranteeing a win wouldn’t take the free 1k? Loss of respect my foot. We all know that if DPC was to turn down an offer like that he would have lost even more respect. Which were some of the claims made about Buff Mike. Now DPC wasn’t offered the challenge, but saw a chance for a free 1k. Now objectively find something you’re good at. Say its pushups. You have worked out for the last 3 months and can do 200 bushups straight. Some guy who is EXTREMELY fit comes and tells your friend who doesn’t even workout seriously that he would beat him in a pushup contest using only one finger to support his weight for 1000 bucks. You wanna tell me you wouldn’t take that? It’s free money get out of here if you say you wouldn’t.

Coaching: Now so many players claim that DP won only because of coaching. No disrespect to JWong but ask him if he would run that back with him if we made a no coaching stipulation? The answer (if he knows whats good for him) is no. Now this isn’t a dis on JWong’s skill. I still respect him as the best MVC2 player in the nation and he knows that. I just no that the tiers outplay him and he can’t do anything about that. Yes DP was coached. Pretty much EVERY big match at evo had coaching. I feel that the coaching was necessary in order to counter the 2k EC players screaming and yelling every time JWong landed a hit. Either way, DP won, got 1k, and shouldn’t be looked down upon for seeing a 1k donation and taking it. Yes it made me gain a LOT of respect for JWong because of his 6 games, my respect for DP remains where it was. I’m not gonna give him respect for beating that team, but I won’t lose respect for it either. If anything it should be left at a neutra. If you didn’t respect him before, don’t respect him now. This 1 match shouldn’t be an influence on that.

DP’s skill level: People try to claim that he sucks yet he got 2nd at evo west. That means everyone that entered the tourney sucks more than him correct? He beat Clockwork, and Duc, does that make them suck? Not at all. Those claims are unfounded based on his tournament records/history. The majority of the people making these claims wouldn’t even play him for money if he challenged them so just stop already. DP knows that I disagree with a LOT of the things he does. I don’t believe in talking trash about someone’s person, especially if it’s because of marvel. I don’t believe in weapons or any violence now for that matter. Not that I’m not guilty of the trash talk/violence it’s usually responsive but that is not an excuse, just an insight. Nevertheless, he has beaten countless top playrs on WC consistently so people should truly stop hating on him about it.

Fanatiq a.k.a. Top 5 a.k.a One button cheater, Aka Loren a.k.a. Desert Heat, a.k.a. Chauvinist Crip(inside joke): I usually don’t address some people when they talk about me using the one button dash. I will say for the record that YES having button mapping is cheap, No losing an assist shouldn’t be worth it. I got a LOT of flack for using the pad during some money matches/tourney. I understand people being offended and feelin cheated. Evo is a console tournament, and I suck at console. I figure I’ll do bad anyway so I might as well give up the assist, at least I’ll be able to rom (Which is HARD cuz of the lag from the converters). Anyways, I beat quite a lot of people using the pad. Not a single person would admit they got outplayed. It was ALWAYS because of the OBD. People really gotta start being honest with themselves. I would play ANYBODY, who was using one button dash with msp for money. JWONG, Yipes, Sanford, Soo, ANYBODY. The limitations are SO obvious ant they outweigh the OBD for sure. If you got beat by it, like people say about the dpc match, it shows a lack of understanding the game. If you want look me up, you can see me playing on a mas a LOT. Don’t just assume “he sucks without the pad” see for yourself. I have a few people that I would like to address. Some objectively some not. If you don’t know me enough to tell the difference between the two, well sucks for you.

Erik “Smooth Viper” Arroyo: I beat you 5-0 with the one button dash. You talked a LOT of trash about how I would only win with it. There are matches on youtube that say otherwise. Not only did I beat you on a stick, but a console stick. After those matches I said to you “Now that proves to you I can play without one button dash.” You replied, “Yeah now you get respect.” That didn’t stop you from claiming the erroneous “obd only” the next time I saw you. I think you’re good. I would say you’re even better than me. Not that 1 on 1 you are better than me, but because of your abilities vs. other people, I will say that. Its the same with people like MMDS, though I can beat him consistently about 80% of the time, he beats people that I can’t more often. So he’s better than me. Now me vs. him I win. Round robin he’s much better than me though. Anyways, I give you your props for getting 3rd, and I think you’re good. Just your claims about me “sucking” are unfounded. I would play you in arcade any day.

Blazinflo a.k.a Blazinfag: You talk a LOT of trash, but I don’t know if you won ANY money matches the whole evo. You said you would play me first to 10 for 100 bucks I said DO IT. Then you started runnin. Look if you think you’re so much better PLAY ME. Until then shut up. I placed higher than you, and I would rape you on pad, on console stick, on arcade stick, on my beatmania controller, using a dvd remote. You are horrible. You said you would play me if I played team Florida. I said I would play EVERY ONE OF THEM 1st to 10 for 100, and they weren’t even down. Stop hiding behind people and man up. You get no respect til you give it, and since I’m 239847 times better than you, respect me nigga.

JWong: You get a lot of respect. You have proven that you are a force to be reckoned with in just about EVERY game. That take skill so I respect you. I think you got a little pretentious, and thats why you lost the DP match. No matter what you can’t tell me it was worth 1000 bucks. I give you props but that low tier team Idea was NOT smart. I don’t think you have a right to be mad about dpc being coached because you coached Fanatiq Jr and almost cost me a money match. You reap what you sow man.

Fanatiq Jr: I played you for money did you pretty dirty til you got coached. Afterwards I said “I don’t got a pretty smile but I still raped this nigga” which apparently made you wanna fight me. I wasn’t talking personal trash about you, that was all in the game. Me saying “you’re not good enough” despite how it sounds, wasn’t meant to be diminutive. I say it to finesse all the time despite the fact that he’s much better than me. It normally makes people mess up, and since you got coahced into winning 5 games, I was desperate. If you feel disrespected for that I’m sorry. Me claiming to have raped you in the game I can’t apologize. Your claims that if we played 1st to 10 on a stick I wouldn’t beat you one game were OFF man. I think you underestimate me a LOT. I beat yipes 1 game on a 2 out of 3. I gotta beat you at least 1 on a first to 10. Overall Wigfall, I think you’re good, which is why I give you the title Fanatiq Jr. I hope you make me proud.

Sanford: We exchanged brief words over me asking you to play my friend for money in Tekken. I think it was really childish of you to leave it open ended and getting frustrated by me asking you again. As adults we learn to communicate what we think such as “No I don’t wanna play you” or, “I’ll think about it then get back to you”. Saying “I’ll see” gives me the impression that I should just ask you later once you’ve talked about it. As I played you in marvel, you kept saying “A good player like me could lose to something like that.” Which was offensive. Especially since it was on a mas. You could give respect to someone that beat you with a little more sportsmanship. There was nothing to complain about. I don’t consider “You’re good man, but then again you use MSP” a serious compliment. More of a dis. Thats why I wanted you to play my friend for money. He would have won invariably and I coulda used the money for sure. You claimed you were more into tekken than marvel at the time, so I figured you’d wanna money match someone in the tekken scene. No hard feelings but some sportsmanship would do you some good. Quite a few people in the tekken scene say that.

Nelson: You were the one person to humble me as bad as you did. I have my excuses but either way you did your thing and I give you your respect on that level. Incidentally, you claim I disrespected you, I don’t understand how you fealt that way. If I was really at variance with you, I would have quickly told Mike Chaos to handle his business when he saw you yellin at me, and ran over there askin me “do you want me to f*** him up?!” Many people can vouch for me I was seriously pleading with him not to. He started saying “I really want to man, I’ll mess him up.” I kept saying “Please, please don’t.” I feel that was uncalled for, but if you disagree it doesn’t matter. Hopefully we can put that behind us. I’m a non violent person now and that includes enciting violence out of others as well. I didn’t do evo shoutouts, but I guess thats what I have to say about a few people. Based off of evo, and post-evo.

Preppy: Even YOU went as far as to claim that I only won because of one button dash. Dude the way to play megaman with storm is to use storm assist. I considered using magneto psylocke storm, but that would mean no good dhc, and psylocke coming in second. I was at a disadvantage using pad on you. I feel you are very biased in your view on that. Also on the DPC thing too, but thats just my opinion. Thanks for the site hosting all the vids. And the memory card for my program pad. Btw you have me vs. fmj, and me vs. matrix. Thats the same match on your site, if you wanna change that.

A: Yeah, and I’m pretty sure I’m right. I have no problem with you winning that way - it’s the way the rules are, and you’re the only person who thinks they need to exploit it.

Fighting against Megaman using the Storm assist is something I see a lot. You’re not the first to think of it. It really doesn’t work well after the first five times Megaman sees it. Really, this is an old old tactic.

I do and always will (as will everybody else who saw that match) think you won that because of one-button dash. I talked smack after game 2(?) because I thought it was funny, not because it was serious. If you haven’t noticed by now, I play Marvel to have fun. If you need to use it, you’re going to be made fun of. It’s really your call. I think one button dash is cheap, but it’s not like I really care nor do I think it affects who you are outside of Marvel. We’re good as far as I’m concerned. You got the win, I get to laughingly bitch at how fucking lazy Magnus and Storm players get to be. :lol: Don’t worry about it. If it actually bothers you, that’s your problem for using a tactic that you know people are going to call cheap. People call Megaman or Tron cheap, I have to be OK with that - or I could move on and do something else. This is really your issue, not mine. As far as I’m concerned, this isn’t an issue for me. Seriously, I was worried even joking about this during our match and if you recall I apologized for it shortly thereafter and let you know I was kidding. It’s all in good fun. :smile:

B: My tongue has been somewhat firmly in cheek on the Ruby match. JustinJ and I talked at Evo, I hope we’re good, he took home $1000 or whatever, so I figured he wouldn’t mind good natured razzing (which I always enjoy).

Also, seriously, have you guys tried playing Ruby/Jill/Ken? That team fucking sucks. :lol: I really do think it’s amazing he got 6 wins, and I really do laugh my ass off about that match-up, and that JWong had cojones the size of small planets to actually MAKE that bet. That’s the single funniest thing to happen in Marvel ever, and I’m including the back to back matches at ECC9 where Sanford accidentally brought in his CapCom TWICE in the grand finals during matches he was otherwise going to win. If you don’t think the Ruby match is hilarious, get the hell off my couch. :lol:

I really think people’s problems with JustinJ on the Ruby match are from the really retarded get-the-fuck-away-from-us-you-fucking-creepazoid-antisocial-loser fans he had there. I pretty firmly believe so far that the East Coast’s trashtalking is much higher caliber than his posse’s was. I wanted to watch the Justins play, not have to listen to some asshole off his meds talk about how small, er, big his penis was. When I think about the “No Thugs Rule”, I firmly think it’s going to affect those people. Again, I don’t have anything against anybody personally, just – come on, don’t fuck up MY ability to watch the game by making YOUrself part of it. You’re fucking boring. :smile:

EDIT: Also, thanks for helping calm things down. I REALLY do appreciate it. :tup:

First off I can tell you that if he touched me he would have a problem on his hands, and im not talking about sending people like you. Second if i didnt care about Evo you wouldnt have been standing, for how reckless you are with your mouth. Third any problems he has wit me he will see me at future tournies so he can come to my face.

Lol, Marvel drama.

I wasn’t sayin he has problems with you, I was using that as an example of how I didn’t have a problem with you…Anyways, can we put it behind us?

obd is trademarked k thx! plz use another term!

lol i got respect for dpc he won me an extra 20 bux :clap:

        Shit talk is shit talk. You got live like you were. really happy about beating me despite you having a crazy advantage. You can try to down play one button BS all you want with the you lose the other assist BS. That shit doesnt fly with me. True story: i have no respect for people with one button dash. I shouldnt even have played you with that shit. I doubt you would have left the pools without that shit and thats the god honest truth. I even asked to play me without that shit and you said "nah man I've seen your vids your too good" And i offered to play you for any amount. So dont get on here talking reckless all of a sudden. 

         And real talk my name is Joshua Wigfall. So when you refer to me refer to me as that. never in your life call me out of my name. Like if you ever come at me with that Fanatiq Junior shit Im really going to spaz on you. And if you wanna go and get the WC bodyguard (because apparently he makes you little dudes feel safe) Thats cool, too. That shit is wild disrespectful to me. One step under throwing money to be real.

This is all shit that should’ve been handled in PM’s.

Byaaah!

Why didn’t people just hyper grab tempest this obd nigga? Unless you’re phat toi, you ain’t mashing out on pad.

Bet 1K on DPC vs JWong’s low tier, ANY low tier, and I’ll believe you.

I got a hundred on JWong’s ANY low tier vs DPC ANY team, an another hundred on JWong’s ANY low tier vs you. Both first to five at any tourney all three agrees to do it.

ANY low tier includes OR, Cammy, Tron, Marrow and Charlie, of course.

Hmmmm I usually have other things that make me feel safe :rofl:

The start of this thread was pointless

The Jwong DPC match was bullshit cause DPC could somehow change his team, that shit is so ridiculous.

Also calling someone you arent cool with Fanatiq jr is so incredibly disrespectful you really deserve to get knocked the fuck out.(Please note thats not a threat just if it happened I would think you deserved it)

i don’t get it

you say one button dash is cheap in your post, and you say you can beat all these people on stick and we can see you playing on stick all the time…

so why not play on stick all the time?

what i gathered from your post, it seems that you yourself admit that it’s “cheap”, yet try to justify it for some reason by supposedly backing up your skills on a mas stick. don’t you have to expect a lot of flack for using something that even you call is cheap?

what are you trying to say?

LOL marvel vs capcom 2…
Cvs2!!

I dont get how having one button dash give someone an advantage? From what I read he loses an assist doesnt that = disadvantage? Enlighten me plz

Anyone who complains about “obd” is a scrub. Stop whining about someone saving like two minutes in training mode. It makes you look even stupider when someone gives up an assist button for it. What’s next, complaining about mid-tier because they are easier to use?

Mr. Fanatiq,

Us having no respect for DPC has little to do with the matches themselves, it has to do mostly with how he handled himself in between them. He wins the first match and stands up, shakes his two middle fingers in Justin’s face, and yells obscenities at him. Respect is about the last thing I have for someone like that.

-everyone