I can’t tell if this was a stab at me or FS. >_>
For the last time, Ky Kiske is as straight as Lee Chaolan.
Moving on, how much have the tiers changed (or look to have changed so far)? Any truly massive shifts? Obviously the low tiers are now better but are any of them top or seem to have the ability to be so, and which top tier took the biggest hit?
Robo-Ky and Jam got totally shafted.
Eddie, Slayer, Millia and Dizzy are still fairly powerful.
I don’t think Ky is gay. I’m just messing around.
I heard some place in Florida has Slash.
What???!!! If your not joking, where in FL did u hear!!
OK I’ll check it out thanks.
Ive just browsed the thread, so excuse any duplicate info. Ive got 3 Slash machines and a lot of solid players about 15 minutes from where Im living over here in Hirakata-shi. All the machines have been full pretty much every time Ive gone in so Ive gotten to play some good players. Heres what I`ve come to understand from experience.
The game feels pretty much the same as #reload did. I remember the change from XX to #reload being way more extreme. Going from #reload to Slash shouldnt be nearly as tough to get used to. A few system tweaks that Im still getting the feel for, but nothing extreme. Combo damage, of course, is down a lot.
Axl and Zappa remain pretty much unchanged in the sense that you should be playing them exactly the same way you would in #reload. Bridget seems a little more turtle heavy than before, but is pretty much the same as well.
Ky has super solid corner pressure. Ive played against a couple Kys (as Potemkin) that just created non-stop, Dizzy-like corner pressure. There are, of course, minute oppertunities to break-out, but it seemed like Ky just has huge frame advantage on a lot more of the things he does. Once you control the pace, however, Ky loses most of his glimmer.
I wont really get into Sol and Fuck-Face Sol since it looks like the fanboys got that one covered. The new "run behind you and gunflame you in the ass" move is annoying and exploitable. I always said they needed to make a Robo-Sol, I guess HO-Sol is close enough. Me personally, Im still holding out for Robo-Slayer who will no doubt be a selectable character in GGXX#/.HACK
Potemkin, my love; your FDB sucks balls now, in my oppinion. I have no idea what the proper range is for FDBing any more. When I spent all day playing against Axls, I couldnt seem to FDB rasengeki at all, so I dont know if its not FDBable anymore or if the timing is super strict. With that said, its been very difficult to FDB most other projectiles. Ive got Kys stun edge a few times and Faust bomb once, but its been a no-go with Eddies drills and Sols gunflames. If anything, it seems like the range for hitting the character instead of the projectile has increased, but I would quote me on that.
Im not sure what all this talk is about Chipp being top-tier. Hes equally as fast and annoying as before. He does seem to do a touch more damage, but he still eats shit once he gets hit. He just does his little “hit you 25 times for 15% damage” as usual and thats all there is to it. Maybe its more like 20% now.
Faust, I cant really talk about. Hes amazingly annoying and his new items (ala mini-potemkin/robo ky) are pains in the ass to deal with. You can turtle very well with him now, but that`s all I feel comfortable saying. I need to play him a couple more times before I can commit to anything.
Theres a tournament at my arcade tomorrow. If I had a camera, Id record it, but I dont so I wont. I WILL, however, make sure to clog up this thread with more innane details that I pick up on.
Peas.
Nyacono, I was actually gonna take your word what you were saying until:
I stopped reading after the Ky part only to figure out you really have no idea what your fuckin’ talking about.
…that entire Ky paragraph can be beaten by Potemkin’s flick.
how do you know what he’s saying isn’t bullshit. i don’t think you have an arcade with / and a crap load of japanese players accross the street from where you live.
Pozer, Yacono is a good friend of mine. He was a former Reno player, and is the KING of playing the most annoying Potemkin on the planet. If he cannot FDB out of Ky guard-strings, there is a reason. He also isn’t a scrub, so don’t be so rude about it.
I also think it’s funny that people chime in about “omg you can FDB out of that entire paragraph”, yet I’ve yet to see any of you play this game except in your minds and theory-fighting madness. The people who are playing in Japan are not morons, and don’t just throw moves out because they can like american players. Why would they throw a fireball if it can be FDB’ed so easily? GOOD QUESTION KUGLER!
Panicked, I was just saying that in the interest of time, you agree. See, he said something was disgusting and I have no idea what, but I’m going to nod and keep reading because it would take too long to figure out.
Pozer just uses “fuckin” as this sort of all purpose, meaningless adjective. From the stuff I’ve seen, this Yacono guy is right about Ky. At least to some definite extent, his oki/pressure is better. And not much about him is worse. Let’s be happy.
oh as for disgusting, acctualy i ment poon was, poon is nothing but a shit talker in my eyes, and i have zero respect for him.
So he is in Japan, eh?
I really don’t see how that makes a differences.
The whole “Zappa didn’t change” comment and the whole “Ky has better corner traps” makes me look at him as tho that he does not know GG very well.
Meh, I trust fubarduck’s word compare to everyone else when it comes to slash info. I guess its some kind of texas thing because you know us mexicans don’t know better (I have feelings too :sad:).
BUT… I will take your word for it that he does play a good Pot.
… Uh… he’s played the game? How is that NOT a difference? You have not. End of discussion. His word is infinitely more valuable than yours at this point in time. You can take Fubarduck’s opinion on Zappa, and I’ll take Yacono’s word on Potemkin. And what the hell do you think Ky’s game is all about? It’s pure lockdown. He has absolute shit for mix-ups, and does almost all of his damage by throws or air-throws. So… exactly how is he wrong about “ky has better corner traps”?
I’m glad that someone who actually PLAYED the game sheds light on us as we await its release on console if it ever comes out on console…
Keep it up, Nyacono…although some things you said I want to find out when I actually get the game but hey…do it anyway.
We have Slash here at TGA in NE. I was never a big GGX fan, but that all changed in #r. I play Dizzy… and Dizzy only. I think she’s towned down a bit. My main game in #r was 2 to 1 her d. Dust to to fireballs or the ice spike. That’s gone! you can only 2to1 from the hammer(d. HS).
She seems a bit diff, but I’ll have to get used to it. I’m picking up Eddie since he seems pretty solid.
Uusually when someone gives info for a character there not used to or have very little idea on the character plays, they tend to give wrong info but go along as tho they know what there talking about just because they had a glisp of of Ky being used “different” or maybe the person viewing the player has yet to see anything good out of Ky’s abilites. Played the game or not, the only REAL info we will be getting is if he does in fact play that chararcter for his main (he is a Pot player, therefore only info on Pot will be useful).
Also, many of the characters reliy on “pure lockdown”, thats bascially what Guilty Gear is all about. It’s having a good zoning tactic as the opponent is in lockdown, it’s not just for Ky.
By saying Ky has “super solid corner pressure” is kind of retarded. Ky has a faster Stun Edge and a Slower Stun Edge which helps against bad match-ups for certain character, and ACSE… erm… yeah…
And can you rephrase the “all of his damage is by throws or air-throws”? Yes, throws are his main game, but saying that ALL his damage is a bit much.
Guess what? Telling someone (like Yacono) that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, when you give no counter argument yourself, is pretty retarded. Let it go. You didn’t even correct the guy (which isn’t even necessary!), because apparently his experience matches up with what has been released in videos. No new tactics for Zappa or Axl have been really discovered yet, as their gameplay strategy is not as drastically different from #R as say, Sol’s is. Or Robo-Ky’s is. Or Eddie’s is. Or Millia’s is. Or SLAYER’s is.
The point is, he was trying to be helpful because he’s playing the game…and he’s mostly succeeding. You come along, and say he’s wrong because…? Oh, that’s right…because you’re not playing the game, or adding constructive speculation to anything that’s been said so far, no details, no nothing. And you play Ky as your business character…so, for the Zappa comment, you default to Fubarduck? No offense to Fubar, but why? To avoid the pitfalls of your own logic? Please come up with a detailed, valid opinion of your own, instead of pointing at other players and trying to save face. At least Yacono’s got his own opinion, and is playing the game. Just because he’s not a known player, that’s automatically grounds for you to think you know beter than him? I mean, you certainly CAN do that, as most people here CERTAINLY do it to everybody else, but PROOVE that you know more. Don’t just tell him to STFU.
So shut the fuck up.