I wouldn’t be surprised if you could tag, drink and then snap with how slow that spinning knockdown is. (I do agree it seems slower than others.) I wanna see someone do an extended combo with some of his trap supers and have frank snap away while they’re getting bounced around. :3
I wonder who else can take advantage of it? I wonder if the racoon boards know.
The rule of thumb in ANY combo video is always start with 1 meter and build x amount of meters to inflict x amount of damage or results.
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Gonna have
Gonna have to yoink that skrull combo 
Nice work again:)
TEAM AERIAL COMBO!!!
You know what the difference between me and you guys is?
All my ways of leveling up frank is guaranteed. It doesnt matter if its level 3, 4 or 5. The only way I’m not getting there is if I mess up the combo myself. There’s no chance to counter any TAC’s in my combos, I refuse to waste 2 meters to level him up and I damn sure aint whiffing no super to level him up either. Half of you thats considering the quick way out, or deciding to use scrull better know what you’re doing. If I run into you online I will merk you.
Maybe you guys need to enter a tournament or something with that kind of gameplay. And then, only then would you listen to me when I say that in this thread we set out to find ways of leveling frank. We did that already.
What we need to do is LEVEL UP YOU GUYS. Against guys like chris g and combofiend, you aint getting no TAC’s. They will counter you. How many of you actually benefit from ending a combo with a picture? Where’s your strategy? Ending a combo means you have to setup another one with some kind of hard to block mixup. How do you do that by ending a combo with pictures?
I made a vid for you guys. I dont know who watched it, I dont know who learned from it but I hope it helped most of you.
Unless you plan on spamming j.M and being the ultimate online warrior, dare to be different. Spend some time in the training room.
Good luck guys.
To the people who agree with me, keep up the good work. If it means anything, you have my respect and my props.
You see, the problem is that level 1 Frank is kind of bad if you don’t have assists completely built around him. For example, I run Zero/Frank/Dorm and running Frank first when neither of the 2 assists I have help him greatly is a bad idea because lvl1 Frank has very few tools to work with. I have to rely on TACing into him after a Zero combo to send him to level 3 or 4. And it’s honestly not that unreliable, you do have 3 directions to choose from so the guessing game is in your favour. If he guesses right well, tough luck. I still do know how to level Frank by himself quite well and if I’m willing to spend my X-Factor I can send him from 0 PP straight to level 4 anywhere on the screen. It does hurt me sometimes because if my Zero gets a lousy start and dies, I have to face a 3-man team with a lvl1 frank relying on Dark Hole assist to do some work. But if that happens it’s because I messed up. TAC might be a bit gimmicky but it can still work. It’s basically a mixup game during your own combo, and if they guess right it’s as if they blocked it…
U have a serious chip on ur shoulder.
Guys tacs are defjniteky not the ideal way to level up frank. but that doesnt mean it vant be an option. if we are being totally srious about this, we should say scratch all options and play dante/frank/haggar since that is the easiest way to get level 5 frank no matter the order and because its uncounterable.
But we wont.
And thats because we all want to play different chracters. of course yes, go into the lab and do ur best to find a combo that csn level up frank with ur team. if u exhaust the possibilities and a TAC is the best option then so be it.
i seen wolverine master play on youtube and he’s got great execution. but i doubt he will merc teams that use frank jn a way he dislikes.
its arrogant and elitist to think that your way is the only way when it isnt. nor is it the best way. those things are arguable at best. frank is a serious problem at level 4 +. Sure its important to know how to play him extensively, but there is nothing wrong at all with a strategy that aims to get frank ti 4 as early as possible.by the way if u want i can go pull up some videos of Chris g and combofiend incorrectly guessing on a TAC. its a risk for sure. but it pays off greatly.
I agree with this line, although there’s no reason to hate on everyone else for wanting to use certain characters, or whatever. Personally, I’m surprised that there’s little to no discussion about Vergil with Frank, after my video on the front page last week (and Winrich using him yesterday, although he didn’t place that well). Vergil on point is much more dangerous than a level 1 Frank, and his combo still leads to a guaranteed level 4 Frank that doesn’t involve a whiffed super or anything.
From watching Noel Brown last night on stream, I can say that he mostly lost from countered TACs. Also, if his Wolverine died, his Frank mostly was left with no assist to get in and his purpose became to build meter for Wesker. If his Frank died, then Wolverine was left with no assist to help him get in. So basically Wolverine on point doesn’t seem to be efficient is helping Frank level up, and so far Frank doesn’t seem to benefit from Wolverine’s assists. Wesker is the anchor that almost always was the deciding factor when the rest of his team often crumbled.
Noel Brown’s team relies on TAC form Wolverine for Frank to level up while Frank’s shopping cart assist helps Wolverine get in. Against Dieminion’s out zoning team, I think that TACs proved to be an even riskier tactic than usual. For every countered TAC, Dieminion was left with position advantage, positive meter, and some damage taken. Noel Brown was left with positive meter, position disadvantage, no mix up opportunity, and no damage taken. And in this case I’m not gonna go into the psychology behind those results.
I understand that people want to play who they like or have theme based teams but this often comes with a sacrifice in efficiency. Playing the characters you like is a very good thing that often leads to some better results than usual. However, sometimes those teams work and sometimes they do not. As of now I think that a team that relies on TAC for Frank to level up belongs in the second category.
Yo thats my team 
cept its usually haggar/dante/frank. The thing is though I play it centered around Haggar. If I get a hit on the opponents first character I usually will go for the kill rather than level up Frank. It isn’t until after I kill the point char that I’ll think about leveling Frank. It all comes down to what the opponents team is.
I think a bigger issue is knowing when its best to level up Frank and when its not. In most cases you have to sacrifice damage in order to level up Frank. If you get a hit against a Wesker (or any character that can give you team trouble) don’t bother leveling Frank unless that combo will also kill.
It really doesn’t matter what method you use to level up Frank. But using 4 bars just to get to level 4 is wasteful. Then less bars the better. Just my opinion but 2 bars should get you to at least level 4 and 3 bars is OK if it gets you to level 5, great if it also kills
But in the end, it really comes down to what your teams strategy is. If it needs a level 4 or 5 Frank to have a good chance of winning then you definitely shouldn’t rely on TAC’s to do so. But if you have a team like Noel’s with Wolverine to do work and can fall back on level 3 XFC Wesker then it works.
although one rule of thumb i like to keep in mind is failure is always an option. so i like to keep my options open. what if i mess up somewhere and don’t have the meter for THC? what if my TAC is countered? and what if after doing one of those meter eating leveling tactics i screw up and don’t get the picture?
are they still an option? sure but i don’t want my game plan to revolve around them. but if i’m desprite sure i’ll use one of those if i have the opening (maybe…)
otherwise my strategy for leveling frank is having 2 assists that can be used to extend a combo after a camera shot (with still being useful to the team) to get him to level 4 with 1 combo and do decent damage on its own. and if i lose 1 of those characters i can still use the other to get frank to level 3.
and if i’m left with only frank then thats when i’ll probably use X factor after ending a combo with the blue light special to get him level 4. and at that point i wouldn’t be wasting X factor since it would be at its strongest
I don’t want people to play like me man. Thats annoying. But UMvC3 was made for the way you guys play. EASY!!!
Easy way out, easy way to bring in the second character, easy way to level up frank(NO COMBO SKILLS AT ALL), easy game in general. All you do is pick a character with a high hitting super, then whiff DHC’s. C’mon, where’s your sense of being different? I had this same problem with wolvie/akuma in vanilla.
Everybody looking for the easy way out. You dont have to listen to anything I say as its strictly MY OPINION, but this entire thread is based on THC this, or TAC that. All I’m doing is showing people that this guy can actually win fights without wasting meter or being countered because someone guessed your strategy. The guys that actually win tournaments or who you would consider a top player wouldnt bother sharing his/her insights on here because of this.
Like I said in many of my posts, I’m nobody. Making videos aint shit. I’m actually taking the time out to say something because I get results from I’m actually preaching about. Yes fellas, this bullshit that I’m saying actually gets me wins. My ironfist/frank team can kill most of the cast with one combo, and I build my own meter. My frank/nemesis/firebrand team leads to an unblockable if done correctly.
I’m not asking anyone to listen to me, play like me, use my team or none of that. I’m not saying don’t use TAC. I’m saying you dont need it. In the words of wesker, I’m saying to try harder.
If you get results with what you do, then why does my OPINION even matter to you? My wolverine isnt the greatest, I still get blown up, but most of the people I play compliment me by saying how different my wolvie is. This is what people should be saying about your frank west. All I want is to help out. I dont think its working. I meant what I said dude. Good Luck.
Whether you’re strictly online or you’re training to become a great tournament player, I wish you the best of luck.
And do me a favor. Please stop putting your spin on what I say. You’re twisting my words and I dont appreciate that. It’s been you against me the moment I posted in this thread. Its starting to look personal.
This is not about using level 1 frank on point.
This is not about me taking away from anyone’s gaming strategy.
I don’t care if you TAC, THC, DHC of if you have HIV. It doesnt matter. But if you come around me with that “200 TAC’s in one match bullshit”, it will be our last.
I figured, if I know something, why not share it? I don’t regret making the video, but I’m angry I let myself fall into all this.
I havent mastered the character (frank west) but I have nothing else to share.
In order of honoring the thread’s title, I have 2 teams that include frank west:
Team A: Ironfist/Frank West/Spencer
Team B: Frank West/Nemesis/FireBrand
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U said “if i play you online i will merc u”.
Im pretty sure im not taking it out of context when i claim that u believe your way is better than any other way. a dhc into a whipped super a thc , how do any of those differ from your option? Its not that im against what u say. im against having a closed mind. that is all. want to be helpful? Then tell a player who uses nova and frank west another viable option to level up frank aside from a whipped super. surely there are, but why opt of something that is less optimal? That’s all im saying. im not even arguing with u dude. i think u are a decent player.
Here’s another video. Now I understand TACing isn’t safe tis why I made the instant level 5 video with advanced combos to level him up w/o tacing. But I post my ideas because I get results as well. My results are perfects against some of the top players in the leaderboards if I play my cards right. I know about tournament play because I used to be in the scene back in SF4. I know all about options and blah blah blah. A high level player KNOWS that when getting air combod-ALWAYS guess between AWAY or DOWN, especially in the “opening combo”. All of these combos I post you can literally do in the start of the match. That’s why I even made a “throw” combo with nova which I literally get 90% of the matches online I play. So that means I have a level 5 frank 90% of the time as soon as the match starts.
Why would I risk playing level 1 Frank West which is arguably one of the worst characters just to get slaughtered or hold back “until I find an opening” against 2nd lords up? Where I am in ranked matches, EVERYONE knows what they’re doing. Don’t get me wrong I’ve gotten nova blown up and somehow destroyed weskers on point along with the 2nd characters due to mere underestimation of frank. What are you going to do against a magneto player who keeps tri-jumping and calling sentinel force assist? Block with the crappy net codes and set yourself up to “unblockables”? No. I main Iron Fist as well and I learned that sometimes you just have to respect the matchup and use somebody else as a point character. The creators obviously made Frank West level 1 one of the worst characters in the game because he has the potential to become of the best if you do the advanced combos that are required.
My job is to make people aware of those combos with the freedom to choose any characters you want. Nobody wants Dorm and Doctor Strange in their team just to get a point frank from level 1 to level 5. That’s not even accounting for the risks involved in getting in. Mahvel is simply about getting in. Frank can’t do that until he’s atleast level 2. honestly when I play with frank and Nova dies, I just worry about level 2 and then not care about 4 or 5 because I know him that well. Me unlocking level 4 or 5 is like getting dark phoenix.
So not everyone wants team restrictions to sum everything up!
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very good point. just for me since i found the with my 2 characters iron fist and frank i can atleast get to level 3 i’m hoping with my 3rd character, if i can figure out who i want i’ll be able to do a combo to level 4 with just assists. but i guess if the characters people want to use don’t work with that tactic they should look into those other methods.
its just one thing with me is i like to have reliability. i don’t want to have situations where if i don’t have meter or i lose an assist or something i’ll be at the disadvantage.
so my characters i’m choosing are kinda going away from that. i’ve been thinking about scraping the team and doing something more around my usual style; but i just love how these 2 characters play so i’m not sure…
and yeah i don’t want to open them up with lvl 1 frank either.
so i’m having iron fist on point. and using his crumple to get the hard tag in.
oh and on that note. what characters can cause crumple states without meter? wondering if i might want the 3rd to be able to cause crumple as well so i have another way to do get that combo in.
Dr strange she hulk and Tron can cause a crumpled state kraft state where tagging into frank west is possible. I personally say to still build the team around things u like. the crumpled state is unnecessary
Yeah man don’t drop the team. Iron Fist may be hard at first but you’ll get the hang of it. Since you’re running frank as an assist I highly recommend going for spencer as a second or third slot. I was real close to figuring out a combo with those 3 that can get frank to level 4 without TACing. I’ll try again…
yeah I’m probably gonna be sticking with Iron Fist and Frank. i’ve got a pretty good handle on how to use Iron fist.
and Spencer is one I’ve really been thinking about. his slant shot would be awesome for iron fist to extend combos and keep them on the ground so i can do his combo’s.
although i would have 2 assists that did the same thing for frank. does frank need an assist to approach or can he manage with rolls and what not? but i guess whatever assist i choose i’m either not getting an assist to help with IF anti air. or not getting an assist for FW approach. and i think i’d prefer Iron fist to have his stuff.
He needs assist for level 1 unless you get lucky with an average player. Remember the majority of players online use the best like Magneto, Wesker, etc. The rolls leave you helpless during the end of the animation as well so you’ll need an assist. Remember IF’s assist is alright too