Greek 'Mythology' vs the other religions

Ok, i’ll be serious here; i didn’t read much about what Marvin and Fish were arguing about… and I don’t want to go for real in debating in this thread. the reason why is because SRK is the worst place to have a debate. The majority here have no knowledge about theology they just reference the same bible-attacking sites made by amateurs with out checking or studying the said context themselves. So i rather treat this forum sometimes as a way to spend time at the house and entertain myself instead, it’s just too prejudice here to take seriously because in the end the debate would just be centered on who has the best and most insults. When i read most of the anti-christian attacks here it’s funny that they always reference the dark ages and make it look as if it was Christianity’s origin yet ignore the time of when it started in ancient Palestine nor it’s original fundamentals. How long has it been since Fishjiz made his first post in a thread and it contained nothing but a theist attack with added invalid statements? If you people really hate debates then don’t shove your prejudice and pessimistic views down others throats. It’s that simple.

I’m not church-going type of guy so i’m not a devote but Fishjie was always wrong academically, theologically and scriptural he is just lucky that he is doing this in a forum where the majority of the people who engage are anti-theistic.

That’s the only real and last contribution i will give in this thread.

nigga, if there is a god, I want, at the very least, some stool samples.

Thank God/YWHW/Jehovah/Jove/Deus/Brahma/Allah/Mon Dieu/Shang Di/Zeus/Jupiter/Odin

I tried to be a nice guy and i know that all of you are trying your best to actually get me into this debate because there is no one else that can do this. No matter what ridicule you guys want to play all of you know deep down that i am undefeated in religion threads.

Shiva wept.

Vishnu raged.

I want to contribute to this thread but I have no idea what’s going on.

So did anyone in this thread prove that GOD does not exist?

Step your game up.

You sound defeated.

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yo wtf man

Philosophical development makes those beliefs obsolete and untenable; things naturally turn towards a maximal being that makes sense of moral good/justice, logical restrictions, is necessary, is truly transcendent of all things and is the source of everything external (contingent things that could possibly not exist). Greco-roman religion doesn’t make sense of reason and experience when examined, whereas classical monotheism does. Of course this doesn’t say anything about individual beliefs particular monotheistic religions being true (or whether or not some aspect of God makes more or less sense given the religion) but I think that’s why you see those religions predominantly (because of the primary core theism).

I think it’s a huge mistake to think that the philosophical support (or lack of/proof against) is equivalent between religions (especially when the conception of God in classical monotheism is completely different than those religion-types).

I always thought it had a lot to do with how our brains work/are wired.

Even language shapes this.

We got the concept of “gods” in a large part due to the question being “who” caused this, rather than “what” caused this.

It is about time that people step out of the whole causal loop, as well, and realize that purposes are entirely a human construct.

So is time.

But that is a battle for another thread to tread.

LOL. Defeated where? I didn’t debate and if i did debate this post of yours would have likely been on page 10.

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You guys should watch actual debates instead of just reading articles, It’s just good to see arguments be put to the test. Take it how ever you wish though.

>> SRK as to stop feeding/falling for Cisco. That guys trololololol gimmick is almost a decade old.

You people are still arguing about this?
If you were members of the church of Kromo, you would be (morally) free to eat the skin of non believers and heathens alike*. Lets see them strike down your beliefs while you’re biting the shit out of them.

*Always observe local, national and international laws. The church of Kromo takes no responsibility for legal recourse taken against members practicing anti-faith cannibalism techniques.

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I think I got my answer all the way in the beginning, the victors rewrote history and destroyed the greek gods and supplanted their own.

There was no argument with marvin it was just me banging my head against a brick wall and realizing lulz wtf am i doing feeding the troll. i mostly do it for the lulz. of course trolling fundies is only so entertaining before my head starts to hurt. i mean seriously, there’s no need for any fundies to post, because i could argue the fundie side by simply reciting bible study canned answers, kinda like you do.

here’s another one:
ME: HOW DID JUDAS DIE DID HE HANG HIMSELF OR DID HE TRIP, FALL, AND EXPLODE OUT HIS GUTS???
FUNDIE: THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION JUDAS HUNG HIMSELF AND THE ROPE BROKE AND THEN HIS INNARDS EXPLODED
ME: OH OK COOL STORY BRO YOU SURE OWNED ME THERE

HOWEVER, i suspect doesn’t actually believe any of this shit, and also do it just for the lulz. for one thing you wouldn’t make threads bragging about how you are banging various girls. jesus talks about how you are supposed to be the salt of the world, ie be a witness to them of the transformative power of salvation, but you are indistinguishable from the rest of the heathens that populate this board. as my personal lord and savior jesus said in revelation, “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.” so which one is it gonna be? keep making great threads about poop and banging girls and a combo of the two, or keep pretending like you are a devout believer rushing to defend the faith?

cmon son, which one do you love more, jesus, or being accepted on SRK?

The original monotheism didn’t make use of reason. the books in the bible were written during different time periods by different authors with different agendas, there was no overarching internally consistent theology. hence the ten billion contradictions that spwaned ten billion denominations. christian philosophy tried to retcon philosophy and theology afterward because during the renaissance they had a hard on for aristotle. and as they did so the concept of god changed, as it continues to do so over the centuries. but there’s more than one way to skin a cat. hinduism is a dominant polytheistic religion. taoism buddhism are eastern religions that don’t really have the equivalent western concept of god, and scientology is up and coming and its got tons of weird shit in it. i dont even know what to classify it as. an intelligent business decision by L ron hubbard? so no things don’t naturally turn towards a maximal being. that’s just one way to design a religion, but there are other effective ways too.

also the god of classical monotheism runs into problems.

omnipotence is an illogical contradiction. can god make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it? pedantic but a valid question. oh it also destroys free will. so does omniscience. there’s also the problem of evil, which is only a problem if you believe god to be good. if you read the OT, its easy to come up with a different conclusion altogether… problem of evil goes away if you believe god is an evil bastard :lol:

also, if we are talking the christian religion in particular, you can’t really believe in absolute morality, because you end up arguing that killing babies is OK as long as god orders it (his ways are above our own, who are we to question, god works in mysterious ways, blahblahblahbalbhah).

so no things don’t naturally head toward that, they head toward deism. which is what most modern philosophers today believe. you’d be hard pressed to find a philosopher, let alone a scientist, that believes in a literal virgin birth of a savior who died for our sins as an atoning sacrifice and then rose 3 days later and ascended into heaven.

Please, there is no more argument between you two because i am in this thread.Next, you are the biggest fundie on Shoryuken. Reading your posts make me want to go on the atheist side just so you would know how to debate and apply the things you’ve learned from me in the future so that you would level up from a plain anti-theist site reference boy.

Ok, i’ll give in to what all of you want. It’s certain Fish that you have been itching to debate with me. You didn’t bother quoting Marvin, instead you quoted me. Anyway, thanks for quoting more of my winning arguments and giving me the burden to touch this again regardless of the answer requiring simple logic. It’s dumb to see that as a contradiction because one: the gospel writers referenced each other, and the book of Acts is written by Luke (who was a historian) who fully used Matt as a reference so logically Luke would not contradict it. 2nd, everything in the book of Acts is after the life of Jesus… everyone knows that the events in acts are at post settings. The 3rd reason why that isn’t a contradiction is because scientifically, a decade -hung by the neck body- falling from height is the only way to cause a body to burst it’s guts open. Common sense. I mean wasn’t the book of Acts a give away that it was of post description? Why would the church include those “contradictions” during the canonization in the first place? Why include those books and not the books such as the Dialogue of the Savior, the Gospel of the Savior, Sophia of Jesus Christ just for the sake of avoiding accusations? Think of that…

Nice try Fishjiz. I find it funny how some guy who loves to talk about religion being evil actually acknowledges and recites the goodness of Christianity and how it is supposed to be, which one is it fish? Why are you promoting and teaching these christian values when you have attacked Christianity in the past about it teaching nothing but killing and being immoral… which one is it? So apparently, you are shooting all your “christianity is evil” arguments just by trying to point out this certain “hypocrisy”. You see the power i possess?

Come on guys, why do all of you want me to go into this debate. Why can’t you just be contented with Marvin and try to give him the boost he is looking for. Fish, you were arguing with Marvin so why are you ignoring him and replying to me only? Why are all of you making me as the main thread mover when i never gave an accurate contribution yet? Come on guys, be honest now. Voice out on how much you guys are happy for me to be back in the GD and that there is just no other poster out there.

you’re a more entertaining troll than marvin, because like i said you don’t actually believe any of this shit. cmon admit it. you just wanna have lots of sinful premarital sex, but enjoy moonlighting as a theist because trolling atheists is fun. cmon… you outgrew these childish beliefs years ago, around the same time i did.