Probably earier.
You were kind of a late bloomer, rationally speaking, Jie.
But you blossomed quite nicely.
I don’t know who Cisco is, but he made all of you mad. That makes him the greatest ever in my book.
I just love how in the 6+ years I’ve seen him argue in these threads, I’ve never once heard him actually answer a question on a clear-cut contradiction directly. No offense Cisco, as I have no real qualms with you, but reading your replies like this:
…throughout the years has been one of the reasons why I’ve stopped arguing religion with theists.
You didn’t answer his question in the least.
The replies on what happened to Judas makes no sense no matter how you spin it. Like NONE. The 2 events described don’t sound remotely cohesive or logical when combined. Why would the perfect book make it so hard to be concise with important events? Why does god make everything so hard to understand???
must leave thread
^ this post proves my point. This Cisco man must’ve been a legend in these parts.
^lol did cisco seriously create alternate accounts to praise himself?
well played cisco… well played
Every one should know that Cisco is a troll or a nut. i don’t know how to take him because sometimes his arguments are theological correct but then it is loaded with “i’m the greatest poster this… read my great threads that” so i’m at a lost if he is actually being serious or just trolling.
But going on your post, he is right about the explanation with Judas. The accounts in acts about Judas falling and having his guts spilled is an after math description, the verse does not talk about how he directly died. The reason why it does not make sense as an asserted contradiction is because Luke wrote it and it is scholarly known that he used Matt as a reference in writing his gospel. If this details were written in the gospel of luke then you guys would have a valid point of this being a contradiction but it’s in the book of acts so it’s already a given detail that it’s an after story of the events taken place in Jesus’ time. All those contradictions you see listed in various sites are all dumb and logically fallacious. If you guys want to go on the point of bible contradictions then you should cite out the verses during the construction of Christianity’s religious doctrine.
The reason why i don’t like Fishjie isn’t because of him being some religion basher but because of being an amateur atheist. All of your arguments , Fish, such as the past bible contradictions, the latest reply to Ki shama towards omnipotence show a massive level of inexperience and these are arguments that intelligent atheist dropped a long time ago. And instead of debating intelligently, you’ll just pass the person off as a troll or a fundie which is ironic because your behavior is just the same.
Haha, no I just like contrarians and underdogs, and that’s what they are on this thread. Shout outs to StarvinMarvin too.
lol you aint foolin no one. funny username tho
fishjie, your understanding of Christian history and philosophy is off. Christianity’s conception of God has been very grounded in philosophy from the beginning, in a consistent manner. If you read the church fathers (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/) you’d see this, especially in relation to how they viewed the Logos. You seem like a cool guy and all but you consistently play of caricatures in regards to many religious things which makes it seem like you don’t care to actually assess things as they actually understood (historically and beyond a retarded evangelical); your appraisal of omnipotence is yet another example of seemingly not caring how the idea is traditionally understood (illogical powers are not considered powers in a real sense because they are not powers one could have, which further makes sense if God is the ontic foundation of logic).
I’m not looking to defend Christianity in particular (although if you actually care about what was thought historically and what role philosophy played I’d encourage you to actually read the early church fathers and also particularly Augustine and Aquinas), but merely to restate what I said before–that monotheism is philosophically preferable to greco-roman religion. There is no comparison between the two except that there is belief in at least a higher power but that’s pretty much where the similarity ends. In similar polytheistic religions like Mormonism (for a modern example), I think atheism might be preferable in most respects.
I’m loling at people accusing me of using an alt. I don’t need an alt to support myself because all of you show a piece of what i am. You guys want to remain closet fans and not voice the truth about my presence and record in shoryuken. The only time i actually did debate in this thread was from Fishjiz’s response, but before that response i was viewed as one of the major thread runners (along with StarvinMarvin) with out giving even 10% of participation to whatever was in the context of the debate in this thread. lmao
I love it when you atheists reply with this. These replies contradict every single religion bashing you gave in the past: “Religion causes evil…” “Christianity has done nothing but evil in this world”… Posts like this shoot your past statements because you are trying to show how “un-christian” i am for my past great threads/posts. If ever i made a post filled with rage, hate, violence, sex, and whatever you would always remind me of not showing any Christian values, so christianity isn’t an evil religion because the followers are required to be good and live a straight edge. People of your type are just like the religious zealots who accused Jesus for drinking.
I’ll share my beliefs. You don’t need to read if you don’t want to take the time… but sorry, i think your knowledge is “What i know in my neighborhood” knowledge. Which is a small “neighborhood”.
I believe in the Christian God: The trinity. That is the God i believe in. I don’t agree or want to embrace the majority of the religious philosophies of the Church and i have high (maybe higher) regards to Buddhism and a bit of Pantheism in terms of their philosophies. And you will see allot of Buddhist and Pantheistic like information about my personal view points of god in this part of the post. I don’t see anything different with Faith and Positive Thinking or Energy/Chi and spirit. I see allot of connections with all the different religions including Hinduism because the spirituality-system or dogmatic-ish philosophies are almost harmonic it’s just the terms and the cultural presentation is illustrated differently So i think all these religions are just different in their interpretation of this higher power and i choose to believe that Christianity’s illustration is the closest in accuracy of this god. I don’t believe that the bible is a supernatural perfect book, it’s just a compilation of books that have reveled this god as accurately as possible. I believe that the entire universe and it’s elements (gravity, forces, energy, atoms, the ecosystem…) we see and feel all around us may be God and since my beliefs are of the judeo-christian god, then i don’t believe that god is some old zues/jesus looking guy who is in a sky like environment, that’s only in paintings but the biblical standpoint is actually against that thought of him, because the NT titles Jesus as “The Son of God” therefore God is immaterial. I tie my christian beliefs of God with this… so i believe that god the father is this general-immaterial universe and all the existing elements, Jesus being the manifestation and the holy spirit being the energy/force from god (Energy, Chi and Spirit is the same thing).
I believe that it isn’t the god you pray to that gives the “miracle”-esque answer but the positive energy in the person that comes out from the person during the meditation. That is the reason why there are reports of some people getting “miracles” and Buddhist monks who enjoy having tourists kick them hard in the balls… it’s because of the positive energy in these people or from others being poured out on them. I also think the reality of those kids living in poverty is all because of the lack of positive energy/action being focused on them. 20% of the money and food in the entire world is enough to stop and redeem those kids. But nah… the thoughts then the energy is focused more on and manifesting on our lives. The Vatican just uses all the money they can give to these poor guys for gold chairs and shit, and the governments of the world don’t put in enough either (as much as they say so), and some atheist just care about showing the pictures for the sake of winning a debate.
You are probably not going to understand this fishjiz, and i hope you do…so before any of you try to respond to this great post, take a time to reflect on my great posts from now and the past and then hit the like button before you try to respond.
What is this God you speak of? Got proof of its existence?
You can’t prove there is a God, but at the same time there are events that are WTF how did that happen all around the world. I’m saying, you can’t explain everything and there maybe be some divine intervention but you can’t see it. Pastors/Reverends hella call bullshit and say they see God but it’s their own imagination. If I want to see a fucking dragon walk down the street I can see it. If I want my GF to have an ass like a pornstar I can do that as well, but when I wake up and smell the leaves, nothing is there. When I close my eyes I see nothing, I don’t see Jesus/God/Buddha/Holy Ghost/Dovahkiin/Gouki/Mama Luigi/Satan unless I want to let my imagination run wild. IMO, whatever you imagine is what you believe. As for church, I think most of it is mind control to make some heavy cash and thats why I dont go. However, I can say most religions with an afterlife are like insurance. You believe, it comes out to be true, you might be fucked or you might be straight. But if it don’t exist, then what? There is no back to square 1 unless you believe in Karma. I’ve been close to death about 4 times in my life from not waking up in surgery to not responding when I wake up. I see nothing. However, I cannot rule out religion as being hopeless. Agnostic is the way to go.
Why has no one made a movie yet about aliens fighting holy beings? It would be awesome.
Michael leading his archangels to battle against a squadron of aliens with faith-piercing plasma rifles.
Would be sooo sick.
Can’t prove he exists, can’t prove he doesn’t either
Argument from ignorance is useless and employing it just shows how unintelligent you are.
I’m a GOD. Can’t prove if I am or if I’m not.
Argument from ignorance is useless and employing it just shows how unintelligent you are.
Congratulations, you understand the work of Hume.
Can’t truly know anything, shit sure sucks don’t it
It doesn’t sound like your argument is any better than an atheist’s. It sounds like you are just always going up against some very over-confident atheists.
My thoughts on the matter go as such:
- There is no way of knowing for sure if there is a god or not.
- A personal god that requires faith in him and punishes you with eternal damnation if you do not practice this blind faith is really ridiculous to me. So either he doesn’t exist or he isn’t worthy of my praise to begin with.
- Whether it’s a deist philosophy where god makes the universe and leaves or the scientific theory that shit just happens does not concern me personally at all so this is the point where I stop caring.
Hey Cisco where did your post go?
Only poor people need to find God.
Cause rich people already found him.
I deleted it because i don’t have time to debate and i know the rest will want to respond to me just like always… you can copy paste what i said if you want.
I’m not going to argue with your thoughts because those thoughts are cool. I like agnostics but i don’t like atheists… agnostics imo are for real because they admit that only full 1st hand experience would convince them which is an intelligent response IMO. The 2nd one is a misconception though. I was supposed to give an explanation of that in my last great post to fishjiz. So like my posts instead.
You deleted it because you’re incapable of holding a debate and your self-issued greatest poster title is similar to a homeless person begging people to listen to him. You think you’re some enlightened individual trying to pass on his great teachings but you’re not as smart as you think you are.
People still remember you as the dumb kid with the huge amount of negative reputation, back when rep actually existed, who made a bunch of dumb threads then tried to play it off as trolling by repeating the same threads later on.