I was trying cr.lk vs f.st.lk about what is better about f.st.lk and indeed has its uses, as cr.lk recovers very slowly, f.st.lk could be a good throw out there normal better than cr.lk based on that.
C.lk has more active frames from what I can see, I didn’t verify on the frame data just know from using the move. f.st.lk has faster recovery making it good for a frame trap set up.
I liken it to far mk , st.lk that is , in terms of recovery
After reading all these I’m not sure why anyone would complain about the change. Gouken now have a 3 frame jab, and a real reversal that can double as a hit confirm punish with huge damage.
Keep in mind he is also one of the only zoning character that get decent change. Deejay? Nerfed mostly and buffed very little. Guile? Some buff, but still Nerfed. Saget? Nerfed mostly. Not much buff. Zoning character with the introduction of Red focus and Delay wake up are supposed to be very strong, because Ultra is a slower and more zoning based game now.
I’m definitely looking forward to it. Glad my favorite character is finally giving a competing chance and most certainly not afraid to adapt.
Old, but not dead.
Am I crazy or did they give him more + on hit for his over head at some point? Or was it more active frames, I can’t remember…
i believe it’s the same, but the 3frame cr.lp makes it easier to link afterwords.
Hey guys.
With Ultra coming up within a few days. I’m going to be streaming for an hour or 2.
3rd June - 7:00pm GMT
I’ll be checking out Gouken of course, It’d be great to have other Gouken inputs too.
Mainly for those who won’t have it yet.
if I remember right they changed the hit stop or freeze (not hit stun!) from a medium to a heavy attack for AE or V2012. But I do not know the exact frames… Does anyone know these frames anyway?
Sorry to barge in with my uninformed self, but could someone tell me a bit about Gouken in Ultra? I’ve seen his changes but I don’t really know what they do for him as a character. Does the 3f jab allow for new combos from normals?
Gouken has 3 main ‘reported’ changes that impact him in a big way.
**1st his Ex Tatsu now has a lower hitbox **
This allow him to hit crouching opponents. (Testing is needed to see low profile)
But the general consensus is that this gives Gouken a reliable ‘Get off me’ move. And allows him to Ex Tatsu on Wakeup more reliably and even FADC out of it to make it safe. (Costing 3 bars though)
**The 2nd change is his cr.LP is now 3f startup **
This does indeed allow Gouken to combo out of cr.LP. (With further testing we’ll see just how much)
It allows him to link cr.LPs
But early report suggest he can cr.LP,cr.LP,cr.LP xx Tatsu / Palm. (And FADC Ultra if he chooses)
**The 3rd change is his cr.MP has +2 more hitstun, +3 on hit (From +1) **
Although this change is not exactly what everyone wanted, it is the right direction.
We basically wanted max range cr.MP into LP.Hadoken to combo, it still doesn’t (And might be too powerful if it did.)
But it certainly makes it combo from further out than it did.
**As an extra thing to mention | His Backthrow tech timing is being fixed. **
As of right now in AE, his Backthrow has 1-2 frames that are untechable. If you tried to tech there it would fail and you’d get grabbed.
This is being fixed, I don’t know how much this will effect us yet. (I don’t know how much I’m getting away with it, haha)
But there you have it.
Godlike, thanks for the explanation.
Also, more personally, thank you for the USF4 PC Mods. Absolutely godlike work for the community right there, man
Just pre ordered ultra lol now I wait! Fucking ultra gouken let’s go!!!
1 frame added active in AE iirc, but in super and ae he can stuff wake u2 from Rose in both versions, in that capacity it works the same that’s what I know…3fr cr lp makes that isht legit now w not much struggle to link , ah that frame
It’s out, downloading then going to work 
I did some(very fast before going to work) testing this morning, and:
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Ex.Tatsu hits ryu’s cr.mk from about a big block of training room away.
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cr.lp, c.st.lk, cr.lp, lp.palm works and is really easy to do. Tried to do this combo out of a cross up but couldn’t land it, but as I didn’t have time maybe is just me. The cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.lp, lp.palm combo I couldn’t land for the life of me, the link turns into cancel for me.
I’ll do more testing at noon as I eat in my house on lunch break.
Only took me 3 minutes to crack the code.
Worked on Akuma, Ryu, and Guile. LMAO!!!
I’m pretty sure I can get Ken too… but I gotta go to work… Long Live Hard Knock Down!! DWU can eat a dick!
Delayed Wakeup?
Yeah, Ultra is out on XBL too… they tried killing the vortex and might have done me a favor in some cases.
We lost some set ups… but not really… I only tested vs. 3 and 4 framers so anything above that shouldn’t be an issue.
Us PC users have to wait another 2 months, so I expect lots of video and impressions and stuff from you guys to keep me sated 
I couldn’t do the lp’s to Palm either wtf.