DF Grab was in the first place a reset into stun tool … So that it was not a big deal to not be able to continue the vortex! Now this move is pretty much dead …
The architect? lol. I sincerely hope you don’t think he invented safe jump dive kicks.
This whole forum is devoid of ideas and people cause if you throw out an opposing idea to iam or his crony this is what happens. This forum is a million times better with those two on ignore.
I’m with Jaether, we are never going to be Akuma, and always following up a flip throw with a crossup gets you nowhere.
The crossup is not a safejump and can be auto-correct reversaled.
This game is all about breaking crouch techs/stand techs, of which we have very few ways to do so, and then translating it into damage.
The lack of opportunities comes from a couple issues.
1: We have no way to capitalize after an overhead that can be focus backdashed since it is single hit. May as well just take that 80 damage.
2: We do not have an effective method of comboing from a low that does not put us in danger of being punished. This allows people to stand tech nearly at will. c.lk xx lp palm is -4 on block, c.mp xx fireball is reversal bait or focus crumple bait, so all you have is sweep, which if blocked, pushes you out and ends real pressure. Comboing from a low into another knockdown is what allows for pressure.
3: We have no frame traps outside of cl.st.mp. This makes it hard to break crouch tech. Even if you get a counter hit on something you don’t really get time to hit confirm and use something good (like EX palm), you have to throw a fireball to be safe and then use two bars to fadc for more damage (assuming your frame trap worked).
In essence you need to be able to open people up for damage cause at high levels, the chances you will get to land a hp xx EX palm are amazingly small. +3 cr.lp will be nice for when Gouken is being pressure, but it’s not going to turn him into an offensive force. Still nothing will combo from low unless you can do cr.mp > cr.lp and I don’t think it has the range for that. I’d also check if st.hk > cr.lp has the range as that would be really nice.
The “vortex” is not really a vortex no matter how much you guys want to call it that. It’s a safe jump and nothing else. You don’t get a demon flip throw into another setup for more, you don’t get a palm that breaks armor, doesn’t hesitate in the air when activated, and allows you to 4 frame safe jump. You don’t have the normals or walk speed of Akuma to keep the pressure on if your dive kick is blocked, able to frame trap into a hard knockdown or throw into another set up.
We simply have a a safe jump divekick after a hard knockdown and that it is. If I had my choice I would buff his zoning game. Do something with fireballs, make regular tatsu useful, make lp palm not punishable on block. Give him things to get people off of him.
yo dome first off I appreciate all your input and am glad your here, let me offer this some of which I’m sure you know…it is not meant to chastise or offend you
flip grab branches from gflip and is used as a mix up tool in or out of vortex, it creates bait scenarios vs opponents wake up and is particularly strong in the rights hands. if your waiting to land it at the end of some cute reset setup you will ultimately be in jeopardy as I’m sure you already know as this move can be low pro’d, reversalled, dashed, even kongo’d to whiff
that being said gief Abel makoto and others hate waking up to this you can take it to the lab and hopefully apply some of this and start using it with a more open mind, I know it will help your game, for myself flippin all over w dive kick pressure and the like conditions opponents so I can pull off gflip throw for match win vs full meter shotos after forcing them to respect my ambiguous attacks on their wake up.
thanks and get those games in! yeeeeeeeeee!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ibuI-WgbQ&feature=youtu.be
Made this video showing off some stuff from KBT’s mod. Most of this is based on simple frame data/cancelability changes, so it should work in the “real” USF4 build.
If you can’t watch: Can combo into ultra 2 from anywhere with c.MP using 3 bars of meter. c.MP in general is amazing since you can do FADC combos with it. fst.lk->fireball is very meaty on juggle.
edit part deux: sick vid rise…I already see a backthrow lk reset fb to bait srk where we can stuff the baited srk w Kongo, at first I was looking for it when you did the meaty fb section and it looks like its possible…nice annotations btw…and its funny that you mention if you cannot watch…lol most folks just wanna skim thru shit and apply what they perceive helps them out anyways and may totally disregard other info you’ve posted …I for one am all about back throw resets…
edit: this forum lacks headcount because honestly no one wastes time w Gouken because until now hasn’t had hit confirm off lights correct? now watch 5 years later with the new gdlk 3frame LP gouken newbs who haven’t hopped on the bandwagon since post infiltration may now do so…
reipin for what its worth your gouken is ass,so talk all the smack you want and for ur info I invented safe jumps in sf2,no one showed me I figured it out myself like we all had to but since srk wasn’t around back then or YouTube I couldn’t post a shitty quality video to prove it!..lol cm on bro lighten up geeeeeeez
yo dome first off I appreciate all your input and am glad your here, let me offer this some of which I’m sure you know…it is not meant to chastise or offend you
flip grab branches from gflip and is used as a mix up tool in or out of vortex, it creates bait scenarios vs opponents wake up and is particularly strong in the rights hands. if your waiting to land it at the end of some cute reset setup you will ultimately be in jeopardy as I’m sure you already know as this move can be low pro’d, reversalled, dashed, even kongo’d to whiff
that being said gief Abel makoto and others hate waking up to this you can take it to the lab and hopefully apply some of this and start using it with a more open mind, I know it will help your game, for myself flippin all over w dive kick pressure and the like conditions opponents so I can pull off gflip throw for match win vs full meter shotos after forcing them to respect my ambiguous attacks on their wake up.
thanks and get those games in! yeeeeeeeeee!
- hater
A person that simply cannot be happy for another person’s success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.
Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock somelse down a notch.
Susan: You know, Kevin from accounting is doing very well. He just bought a house in a very nice part of town.
Jane (hater): If he is doing so well why does he drive that '89 Taurus?
if you don’t got haters you doing it wrong :3
Can we talk less about how much we hate each other and more about how awesome Gouken is
It was nerfed but that’s will a lot of damage from just a normal throw. Shin sho or Denjin
you on the fence mf souchan lol I love it…
we should a said fuck buffs and lk said net code…so we could all just play
reipin why it always gotta be like that…?
Reipin, my friend.
You are a hater, point blank. I purposely don’t say anything to you (no matter how much I’d love to fight you 1 vs. 1 in real life), just b/c how I feel towards you personally doesn’t change Gouken or what he’s capable/incapable of.
I’ve just ignored you for the most part and everything has been fine over here…
Look. Takin Flight is his own man… and I’m not sure if you’ve even noticed, but all the times he’s gotten into it with people, chances are I never said a fucking word. So this can only be about me…
And your just a hater… I get it, I actually enjoy your presence. 
Keep Hating…
LMAO… That’s a funny one, but you can look online and find a lot of the tech people are just now finding out with Gouken I’ve known for a while. The dates on my videos speak for themselves.
Who said anything about Akuma??? Why is he relevant here??
True it’s not a safe jump. BUT, you can stuff the reversal… I SAID THIS 20 POSTS AGO. Instead of you trying to tear me down, you can easily ask a question of how??? instead of telling me that I can’t… I guess that’s too peaceful of an option i guess…
This is a flat out lie… The meta for this game is waaaay deep than dealing with techs.
This is a lie. You can d+mk and hit the opponent in the ankle on their wake and you can combo/OS business as usual and it’s an overhead.
Chain out with light attacks, if it combos good… if not it’s safe.
This isnt’ true. You want to kongo cr tech anyway, and in Ultra we can tatsu.
Counter hit to sweep. And you get to vort… ah never mind.
This is an opinion… no comment.
Have you been reading any of my posts… when I say I would like for Gouken to be able to safe jump after landing DF Throw… I’m not concerned about Akuma… But outside of GF Throw Gouken can keep you on your back and pressure you per a knock down loop/Vortex. Accept it.
Dive kick is active until the ground. You can user it to land early right before 3 frame dps, land to stuff or block anything else, OR you can aim for the back shoulder like you would ONI to stuff reversals and make people whiff.
We use his tools differently so naturally we’d want different buffs to him… but you gotta quit the hate just b/c.
If your opinions don’t line up with mines, so what??? I don’t like you either… And if your fingers fell off today and you couldn’t respond I would be just grand.
But let’s discuss the facts… what am I lying about???
I have not posted here in a long time but have been an avid reader of the SRK Gouken forums since the beginning.
I have to agree with Reipin Pillage. Not necessarily that he is correct in every technical detail regarding Gouken, but correct in that their are two people in this forum who significantly diminish the quality, clarity and diversity of the discussions that occur here.
They achieve this through a combination of bullying, employing logical fallacies, and presenting confusing and/or irrelevant information. I think the two of you mean well, but you seem to be incapable of carrying on a logical, rational debate without the involvement of your emotions.
At a certain point you have to ask yourself, if other people keep having the same reaction to you, maybe it has more to do with you than with them.
I am super excited about Gouken’s Ultra buffs. Lets hope the buff list keeps expanding with each new build as we get closer to launch!
I can only assume the blank posts are those two whining and carrying on about how amazing they are, while telling me how wrong I am.
It’s going to be a great 2014! I might have to reserve some extra seating for the crowd. I want a whole bus load of you MF’s.
Now your personal opinions aside… Let’s discuss the game. If what I’m saying is confusing or is fallacy tell me what it is.
I can make this shit real easy… Since you support Reipin so much… look through his post/my response and find something I considered to be factual and you think I was wrong about… and that he was ultimately right about.
If I can’t prove it- I’ll go forever. Scouts Honor… . but If I do prove what I’m I saying… Then YOU GO.
I’d rather have the hating, but if you really feel that strong about it then jump out there.
Any Takers???.. (B/C Reipin surely better not do it, b/c his ass is gone).
I still say I invented safe jumping in sf2…I also Co founded the internet with my buddy Al Gore who by the way still plays ex 3 plus alpha…and also says he’s picking up gouken in usf4 due to new buffs…he’s a total bandwagonner flip flopper
pack you bags folks goukens coming to evo
loud noises!!!
i’m dying laughing!!! hahahahahaahahah
mountaintop gouken where ya been?
Since both Cammy and Akuma are getting new ex follow-ups options on their flips, wouldn’t it be nice if Gouken could EX Tatsu from Gflip?
c.lp isn’t as strong as we think it is. We can’t do anything to confirm from a jab beside another jab unless you want to spend four bar. Our c.lk being five frame in my opinion is more of a problem. Though with the combination with getting a solid good reversal, I think Gouken at least got the “get off me” move that he needed badly.
Watching the new location test matches though. I’m not sure what we can actually do against some of the buffed character and new character. Gouken still appears rather weak.