Gouken Match-ups and Character Specifics

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General Info About Gouken:

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Goukens Hit Box Data: http://shoryuken.com/f268/gouken-hitbox-data-ssf4-235595/

Safe Jumping: http://shoryuken.com/f268/depth-gouken-demon-flip-df-safe-jump-guide-222591/

Back Throw Guide: http://shoryuken.com/f268/gouken-sfiv-backthrow-guide-231552/

Shin Sho Set Ups: http://shoryuken.com/f268/shin-sho-set-ups-237935/

Denjin Set Ups: http://shoryuken.com/f268/wtf-stunned-already-denjin-hadouken-setups-thread-233891/

Cross Up Set Ups: http://shoryuken.com/f268/crossup-setups-246933/

Frame Trapping: http://shoryuken.com/f268/frame-trapping-counter-hitting-gouken-242940/

Wake Up: http://shoryuken.com/f268/gouken-wakeup-lets-improve-196463/

Option Selects:

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-http://shoryuken.com/f268/character-specific-option-selects-situational-tactics-231347/

If you are new to Gouken and/or if you just can’t seem to put it together you can vent here: http://shoryuken.com/f268/gouken-frustration-thread-go-ahead-let-out-219757/ One must be able to put all of these things together and unlock the secrets within to master Gouken.

[Spoiler=How to Vortex:]
The key to the vortex is to knock them down with untech’s and keep attacking their wake up with safe jump ins that will lead you to a grab, frame trap, untech, or combo/block string that allow you to keep them in the loop (mainly finding a way to transition back to Gouken Flip). Once you’ve attained any of these you repeat the vortex loop, until your opponent can find a way out.

Here is a great example of starting the vortex up with an untech and safe jump. [media=youtube]aLKnZcc9fIo[/media]

Here is some guidance on to how the Vortex works, you will need to understand safe jumping mechanics (look above) to grasp the timing and property aspects to discover the secrets within. (Gouken Flip Dive Kick no longer hit’s over head, but you can still use a well timed d+mk on their wake up to get the over head during mix up (very small window). http://shoryuken.com/f268/gouken-vortex-yeah-i-said-212934/ and Safe Jumping [media=youtube]vE8Nai61Zno[/media]

Character Specific items to keep in mind:

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A missed tatsu means tatsu will whiff if they are crouching but not blocking. If they are blocking the tatsu will hit so you can FADC out.

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Hits
Elf
Cammy
Vega
T Hawk
Guile
Abel
Bison
Dudley
Sagat
Zangief
Gouken
Fei
Deejay
Gen
Guy
Hakan

Misses
Everybody else

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Abel:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Abel_(SSFIV)

-spam cr. lp or grab him to stop his rolls. This match up is a lot easier if you can slow him down and the cr. lp spam works very well.
-Wheel Kick- EX Tatsu or lp palm it, you can’t jump away from it at close range
-Command Grab- Neutral Jump it for > a free punish
-I normally use Shin-Sho against him. It seems to keep him from rolling around so much b/c if you can back throw him it’s trouble. If you can land forward throw on a regular basis and you don’t have a problem pressuring him, Denjin could be another viable option.
-Some of his normals hit twice vs. once, learn the difference between them. - The normals that hit once are usually the ones that he tries to command throw after.
-his f+mk= I normally back dash or EX GF out to avoid the command throw… if I get punished, it’s normally not a full punish. Most of the time they try to roll back in to get in close.
-he can cross you up with j. mk from a pretty fair distance- if you see it Kongo the shit out of him
-his 3 hit turn around combo- he can finish high, mid, or low. Learn the differences b/c if you block them, they lead to easy punishes for Gouken.
-cr. fp- works well as AA
-You can cross him up easily- He can only EX roll out, but you can empty jump and throw him
-Safe jumps work- Except on his EX Tornado throw-
-If he is standing on the other side of the screen, more than likely he wants you to throw fb’s so he can level up his Ultra. Throw the 2 hit instead and try forcing him to block one. Once he does, EX GF over there while he still is in stun and pressure him.
-st. mp- acts somewhat like a fake lp hado, this can encourage him to roll so you can get a free punish
-U2 (Breathless)- You can’t grab him out of it even if he is charging, and EX GF makes you land directly behind him If he’s activated it. Shin-Sho also owns it at point blank range, so if they charge up directly in front of you let them eat a free Ultra 1 (I would suggest mastering the timing to activate the Ultra right after his so he can’t cancel or punish you before you activate your Ultra). I also either jump away or use air tatsu to get away from him if Ultra is not available. Another tricky thing you can do is use a hk GF and jump over his head. He can catch your Denjin and Palm before they start up so if he is up close I wouldn’t recommend either one, not unless you have optimal spacing.

I’ll try to help out if I can. Will try to collect match-up info on zang for starters, since I need it.

Btw, I’ve been having trouble against abel, not a lot but more when compared to the rest of the cast, anyone got tips on him?

Here’s what I have:

• The ideal place seems to be two dashes away from him, where you can punish dashes with st. MK/HK or grab rolls.
• his f+MK on block is 0 frames, so backdashing should be the main option. Actually backdashing helps a lot against him.
• His wake-up game sucks too, pressure the fuck outta him.

Abel Character Specific Option Selects:

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All-purpose Option Select for Abel’s Wakeup

The problem with Abel is once he has meter, he can’t be safe-jumped (in the usual sense) because of EX Tornado Throw. This option select covers all of Abel’s wakeup options as well as avoiding EX Tornado Throw.

Set it up with a neutral throw or sweep, then immeditately…

Dash > pause > Roundhouse Hyakki Shu > Delayed Hyakki Goujin ~ Jab Senkugoshoha/Denjin Hadouken

It’s hard to explain the timings on this without a video, but I’ll do my best so that you can find something relative to compare the input timing to.

The Dash is immediate following the throw. You then hold the second -> input (as if you were executing a run in CvS2) till you see Gouken hit his neutral stance again for roughly half a second. Use the -> input as a buffer for the demon flip. You don’t want to hit the dive kick at the apex of the flip, hit the button as you start to see him actually descending. The dive kick (if done right) will hit meaty somewhere around Abel’s chest.

This timing allows for the dive kick to hit meaty, deep and completely avoid EX Tornado Throw. It will stuff it cleanly, setting up a combo. His backdash also gets stuffed, resetting him into sweep range. He can’t jump away because it’s meaty. He can’t reversal Super it either, the dive kicks active hitbox outlasts the strike invincibility on Jab Super and stuffs it clean.

So his only way out is EX Roll.

With Jab Senkugoshoha buffered into the dive kick and because of the strength of demon flip used, the Palm autocorrects to chase the roll. Abel CAN block it, but it’s a fairly low risk form of pressure, and you can’t zone Abel in this match so you have to go into the lion’s den. There’s no choice. You can switch the Senkugoshoha out for a heavy demon flip, but it won’t hit meaty. My suggestion for this would be to alternate between them to strengthen your mixup.

There was an interesting thing that came up when finding the optimum timing for this. If the dive kick is about a frame earlier than above (so that the kick hits his waist), the EX Tornado Throw COMPLETELY whiffs right in front of Gouken, setting up a pointblank max punish. The only thing here is that a backdash avoids the dive kick and the OS’d Palm can be blocked still. This can be OS’d with Tatsumaki Gourasen or cr.roundhouse, but the former is very very risky and doesn’t cover everything.

Without meter though, dive kick Abel with impunity because he can’t get away from it.

**SUPER Changes: ** With Breathless, this dive kick option select is unsafe. However, Denjin Hadouken can used instead of the Palm and serves the same purpose. If Abel EX Rolls out and tries to counter punish your Ultra with Breathless, the fireball eats him up and causes Counter Hit damage and stun.

You can also meaty dive kick his wake up and use forward throw as your option select if you think he will EX Roll out.

Gouken vs. Abel Match up videos:

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Adon:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Adon_(SSFIV)

I don’t know a lot on Adon yet, but here’s what I do know.

-Mp hado mix up can own the skies
-cross him up
-his rising jaguar kick- if you block it, it gives you a max punish
-Denjin owns his dive kicks
-safe jump him and pressure him with mix ups
-If he gets in close, be patient and wait for the punish
-use neutral jump to bait a rush in attack- if he whiffs he can rising jaguar you. Wait for it and then max punish.
-if you use Gouken Flip after hado, he doesn’t seem to have alot of solid answers
-cross him up
-Jaguar Tooth is probably his best move

vs Adon:-

I don’t know what tier this character is in. But he can rush down Gouken so quick if you don’t have the right zoning, reaction. These two things are what I think most matter this matchup.

• his jumps are quick, somewhat similar to Blanka; meaning when you are being knocked down, Adon can cross you up easily, suggest block the cross up then block low, rather than Kongo the cross up because they can often empty jump and throw you.
• he got 2 special moves which armor break, and I have a solution and video right below:-

-> Jaguar Kick <- frankly one of the best move in the game (next to Dictator’s LK scissors kick)
-> Jaguar Tooth <- do not use EX Tatsu, because if Adon baits you and do a LK / MK version, then you are screwed

Solution: against Jaguar Kick (credits to killakelly), you can do st.far MK to beat out of them when they keep looping this move. Do this during the start of their move so the st.MK will beat it clean. It will trade if you do it too late. But If you are quick enough, do LK tatsu and it will win everytime. You have to be smart not to do Kongo accidentally because you are at a block stance before you input the tatsu command. Updated-> you can do st.close HK to beat HK Jaguar Tooth, one thing I have a mistake to do it too early and the far HK will come out. Practice! One more, early jump HP, HK, LK will beat the move clean as well!
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Solution: against normal HK Jaguar Tooth (credits to killakelly and HW597), you can use 3 normals to beat it. The st.far HP, cr.HP, and st.far MK; The best I found is actually st.far HP, his palm needs to come out early (when you saw the Jaguar Tooth coming towards you). But against EX Jaguar Tooth, you can only use cr.HP or st.HP, you hit either one of these when Adon touches the WALL since he is real quick this time.
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• Adon has a straight jump HK similar to Chun Li, long active frames, and they can do so as an immediate overhead; feel free to Kongo because the long active frames give you an advantage (like against Guy’s elbow drop)
• his wakeup Rising Jaguar has following properties make sure you have them in your head
  -> LK Rising Jaguar startup 4 frames, 1-5 frames invincible against physical attack and projectiles
  -> MK Rising Jaguar startup 5 frames, 1-6 frames invincible against physical attack and projectiles, 1-5 frames invicible to throws
  -> HK Rising Jaguar startup 5 frames, 1-6 frames invincible against everything
  -> EX Rising Jaguar startup 5 frames, 1-8 frames invincible against everything
• just block his st.far HK, 2 hits, suggest to move away of that range because Adon is best at 1 to 2 character spacing with Gouken.
• When he has Ultra 1, HE IS BAITING FOR FIREBALL, he will keep walking forward and WANTING YOU TO DO FIREBALL, don’t unless you are at max range
• I found Gouken Flip throw is very good against Adon, or you can even do one at start of round occasionally; Make your opponent guess this time you are not running away!
• same as Ken, some Adon will do tick n throw all day long, so get your cr.LP/cr.LK ready and push them away.
• fireball is GOOD, all 3 versions, but whenever Adon has EX bar, he has reaction to do the EX Jaguar Kick to get through them and knock you down.
• cross up is good against Adon, because they cannot mash double-sided Rising Jaguar, as one of the 623 command is the Jaguar Kick move.
• st. far HK is very good against Adon, because every special move they are having a slow startup (except Rising Jaguar), and your st.HK can beat/counter/stuff them during their startup.
• occasional LP palm is okay.
• if you happen to block his HK/EX Jaguar Tooth, it is like blocking a scissors kick. (although it is -2 for Adon) so don’t do anything except cr.LP or jump back.:clown:

Adon Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Adon Match up videos:

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Akuma:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Akuma_(SSFIV)

-There ARE windows to beat the reversal srk, get in training mode, get creative and learn them and hold them close. You can either attack the frames after invincibility wears off and stuff it, or you can faux-safe jump it and bait/punish the reversal. [media=youtube]qRpb7_BXwjU[/media]
-His primary pressure option you need to fear is his Gouken specific Vortex. He will mix that up with palm and throw and you will be forced to guess your way out, or use and EX Gouken Flip to get off the ground. EX Tatsu, Denjin, EX GF, and blocking can help you evade the palm. Neutral Jump, Back dash and EX GF can help you avoid the throw. His st. hk is fast too, but it doesn’t pressure you like his vortex, b/c you can just block and tech it.
-Palm through his Fireballs unless he has Ultra, if he has Ultra Gouken Flip over to dive kick or to throw him
-Air Fireballs - I palm through them to tag him, you can also Focus absorb to build your meter up
-If he doesn’t have an Ultra Kongo his strings when you notice he hasn’t gone for a grab in a while. EX is best covers high and low attacks
-Bait him to a fireball war, you want him to block atleast one so you can apply direct pressure with EX GF and force him to make a mistake
-j. mp stuffs all of his Demon Flip options if you are already standing
-He has a very good Focus attack, so be aware of focus fishers. If he catches one of your cr. roundhouse’s, then it can be a bad day for Gouken.
-His tatsu doesn’t have armor break
-Learn the spacing of his air hado- Learn which ones you can Kongo and which ones you need to block
-If you are able to knock him down for an Untech- meaty Denjin him, if he teleports out punish him
-Kongo his air Tatsu > his vortex
-When he is in close, be ready to block and tech
-cr. roundhouse often follows cr. mk., use kongo unless he has a stocked super or ultra. He will some times 2 in 1 to a hado and it will hit you. You’ll normally see this if he has 2 or more stocked EX bars. The best thing to do if he has EX is to just block and be ready to tech and hope he burns it.

Punishing Akuma st.roundhouse

Akuma’s st.roundhouse in this fight functions just as it does in the Abel match for Akuma, it shuts Gouken down and sets up a straight 50/50. It’s more useful against Gouken because he can’t really threaten with any reversal, so prevention is the key.

From about Gouken’s st.forward range is the ideal range for Akuma to go for his st.roundhouse. From this range, Gouken can punish with cr.short xx Roundhouse Tatsumaki Gourasen. The idea is you find the range with st.forward pokes which is a pretty dominant poke regardless against Akuma, and then switch to cr.short once you know the Akuma is in the range to do what he wants to do. You buffer the Tatsu motion in with the cr.short. If the cr.short whiffs, which it should if he doesn’t do st.roundhouse, the Tatsu doesn’t come out.

Does about 225 damage (more on CH), and works because the cr.short hitbox forces a whiffed first hit from Akuma’s st.roundhouse. It can still hit you if it’s not spaced right mind, it’s not as juicy as Fei-Long’s or Ryu’s cr.forward.

This is definitely hit-confirmable into FADC > Ultra for decisive, match winning damage.

Akuma Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Akuma Match up videos:

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Balrog Boxer:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Balrog_(SSFIV)
Balrogs hit box - http://shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=237013

This is a nightmare match up for me and it doesn’t seem as if Gouken has too many answers for him if he starts pressuring and mixing it up good. The best Ultra to use in this match up is definitely Shin-Sho b/c he has so many ways he can evade fireballs, but you can follow up a Fireball with a Shin-Sho. You can’t activate the Denjin with another fireball on the screen, (I know, that’s weak considering Ryu can do this with his Super)

-Learn the differences of his rush punches
-Rush Punches from mid - far away - cr. lp will stuff it, or you can throw him out
-FA- works as well since all of his armor breaks are punishable on block, except the EX Verisons.
-Jumping back and stuff the rush punches works pretty good as well… That’s the simple shit…
-None of the frame data is in Goukens advantage in this match esp. when he is up close, and there are very few opportunities to punish Balrog for making mistakes -
-Look out for his infamous noob friendly combo. Overhead > cr. (whatever) > head butt > Ultra. It’s really the overhead that get’s you, you must train yourself to recognize this move, if you don’t you will almost always lose to Balrog.

Punishables—
You can EX after the 4th hit of his Super/Ultra
Missed Headbut
-Turn/Rush Punches- throw him, but it’s very risky and if you miss it’s a wrap… you can also EX Hurricane kick him before he recovers for a reversal… very strict timing. If you have an ultra, use it. You can throw a fireball to bait and then use Shin-Sho
-Also after close rush punches, It’s possible to FA the next jab - kick/dash in/dash out but that’s iffy as well considering how quick he jabs, or if he jab’s the goes into a HB>Super/Ultra
-Demon flip parry, has worked well to get close and the mix up with the dive kick sometimes helps… but for the most part… There aren’t too many holes for this guy…
-if he EX rush punches and you can react in time, use cr. lp > lk or EX Tatsu
-he can EX cancel his rush punches

At about mid-screen, fb and use st. rh, so when he punches thru it he’ll eat a nice rh on the other side. At closer ranges st.mp seems to work wonders against a lot of his attacks if timed right. After the 4th hit of his ultra you can ultra as well!

this is the match i lose the most.
balrog cannot stop a meaty demon flip kick on wakeup unless he has meter, so keep that in mind.
gouken recovers very quickly from his fireball, so it is pretty safe to throw fireballs at balrog.
you can wind up ultra after fireballs to drill him if he tries turn punching through them or armor dashing at you.
you can also drill him with ex tatsu if he taps or armor dashes through your fireballs.
he has a floaty jump, so you can ultra that on reaction.
the worst thing that can happen to you is a balrog that ticks you with 1 jab at a time while moving toward you.
he is constantly threatening throw or combo like that.
against pressure like that, block, kongo, throw and neutral jump.
practice blocking low and watching for his overhead punch.
overhead punch is a fucking bitch online.

i play against dc hustle 101’s balrog a lot.
he destroys me.
when i was playing with him today i started thinking that the key to the balrog matchup is trapping his jab with kongo.
i have a bad habit of only using kongo on wake up or after i land from being hit out of the air.
i have been trying to use kongo against jump ins while i have a fireball on the screen as well.
something peculiar about balrog is that he wants to respond to your pressure with jab punches, not specials.
this means you can play tick-throw, tick kongo with him.
you can demon flip kick to kongo, fa tap to kongo and wakeup ex df throw to kongo.
i think trapping his jab is different than how i would normally play the counter.
it is more aggressive.
with kongo to super, it can decide this fight.

I cannot deny a skilled Balrog might seem intimadating but really this match up is no problem for me. Ok ok ok l cannot deny I have lossed a number of times to skilled rog’s when i first started with gouken but I noticed every time a rog beats me its always because I am to anxious. A highly skilled turtle rog could be any ones nightmare but the key is !
1.know how to block all his combos
2. be on point with teching his throws which 9 out of ten times a rog player will attempt.
3. Nuetral jump Fierce punch into a combo ( but be careful rogs pick up on nuetral jumps then head butt. (Back jump a few times air hurricane to escape or Roundhouse kick or hard punch to switch it up)
4.Do not and I mean do not throw a fireball up close against a rog even if you combo it gouken has some decent block strings but do not down medium punch into fireball a skilled rog will go right through it with headbutt.
5.Believe it or not I find down medium kick a better alternative as an anti air then down Fierce punch for rog. Since he jumps short like Gen, I have found this move to be a great anti-air (takes a little practice to catch consistently)
6. Becareful focusing rog I usually fake focus then backdash then neutral jump coming down with a combo (This is for example to show you you need to fake balrog alot)
7.Do not and I mean do not be scared to cross up after a knock down against rog but it is extremely vital to time the jump he will ex head butt and miss if you time the cross-up correctly down+ roundhouse to trip then repeat the cross up for pressure.

After a while this match up becomes as easy as fighting gief lol no really rog is a fan fave until I play them. Oh and this guys rog [media=youtube]7GBr0IbwxW4[/media] was garbage compared to the rogs I fought trust me.

Balrog Boxer Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Balrog Match up videos:

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Blanka:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Blanka_(SSFIV)

-lp hado still whiffs on his electricity
-kongo electricity at point blank range
-jab him out of his blanka rolls. Cr. fp or cr. roundhouse also works.
-if you block a blanka ball standing- lp palm him for the reversal
-use a fb to bait his roll > Shin Sho / tatsu / or knock him out of it
-cr. fp works terrific on his jump ins now
-when he hops from side to side, i normally can jab him before he does anything (spam cr. lp / lk if you see him hopping around he will jump right into it)
-when he doesn’t have a charge, he’s normally trying to slide. Bait it, then charge a focus attack to punish his ass.
-His rainbow roll can cross you up on either side, but if you block it you can get a max punish. You can also focus absorb if you aren’t good with cross ups.
-safe jump him all day long
-you can throw him in the beginning frames of his electricity
-EX balls horizontal balls go through fireballs and have armor break. You can kongo his other Blanka balls only the horizontal one will armor break.
-Focus or kongo his Rainbow so you don’t have to worry about which way to block, but if you block you get a full punish

vs Blanka:

Defense

• Gouken can use LP palm to chase Blanka’s roll after blocking while standing. Practice this so that you know when to block high immediately when you saw they roll to you!
• Good Blankas know you know this, and they will do cr+forward.hp since you are busy blocking high.
• Their mix up games are their main weapon. Usually after electricity move, they can choose below:-
• cr.lp -> HP electricity (1-hit) loop
• cr. HK (knockdown)
• cross up MK
• Keep these in mind, so what you should do is block because HP electricity has +10 advantage for Blanka. Focus on “Kongo” the jump in.
• after you are being knocked down, have your cr.LP / cr.LK ready, push them away and hope to finish the block string with hadouken
• His only armor break move is the Horizontal Ball
• If you happen to block his Ultra 1, use HK tatsu to counter. If you hesitates, use immediate Jump forward HK / HP, ensures hit.
• When you see Blanka did the back roll (Back, Forward + K). Then it is a free hit for you, because you can just FADC it and wait for him to land, or not.

Offense

• after knocking blanka down with cr.HK <- suggested since its untechable. Check his EX bar
  -> If he has no EX, that means he can do nothing about your Gouken Flip Kick right on the head (can’t even back dash if it is meaty)
  -> If he has EX, his most trusted wake up move is (Down, Up , Kick EX version) and it has 1-22 frame invicibility
  counter: fake a early jump in and bait this move, low/high block is fine and do LP palm for 100% confirm counter
• His Electricity and EX electricity has no invicible frames, but it beats your dive kick if your Dive kick is not meaty.
• Use cross over jump LK to beat his electricity, or cr.LK do the same work.
• The following block strings are safe to do:
• cr.LK -> hadouken
• cr.MP -> hadouken
• cr.HP -> hadouken
• Throw him a lot, doesn’t matter forward throw / back throw.
• Anticipate and shut down his jumps, although he’s fast and his Jump HP has mad priority, you can put your trust in Gouken’s neutral jump HP, and immediate forward/backward jump HK.

Summary

• This is a fair matchup IMO. You got lots of fireball, and Blanka isnt 100% comfortable about it.

• Keep full screen length when you want to spam fireballs, Blanka has no options but to close in by:
  -> walk-in and FADC (then you can charge the fireball and make him Focus nothing)
  -> cr.forward + HP (but it doesn’t hit because we are at full screen)
  -> EX horizontal ball (you can high block with ease)

• it is not that DIFFICULT against Blanka, as he doesn’t have things like “Immediate overhead” like Chun-Li, Claw. Just watchout his freaky jumps and crossover hops.

• when you encounter high level blankas which are just damn good. They use cr.MP as antiair and never missed chances and they have good spacings. When you have a chance to face these guys, do less Gouken Flips, stay on the ground MORE.

Blanka players like to zone in on you with Rolls or try to get you to guess, but unlike other street fighters Blanka can be tripped out of a roll, thats right. ALso Blanka’s roll is a bit slower here too thanks to 3D just anticipate his roll and when he uses it trip him and he will be knocked down. This goes for his Ex as well.

Blanka can ONLY pass through fire balls in EX Blanka Roll so keep an eye on his gauge and throw some fire balls to force him to use it, then when he does just trip him.

He will occassionally throw a over head blanka roll, just throw a fire ball or black it and go from there.

I’ve been playing Gouken as a main for quite some time now - I will offer what I can on match with Blanka.

Blanka really has three ways to get in at you, the high homing ball, regular ball, and slide. Jumpin you should be more than prepared for with fireball, counter, and focus, so we will discount that.

The blankaball is a pain, but c.hp will crush it very reliably. Fireballs will beat it if it’s not EX, so be sure to throw out plenty of fireballs when he doesn’t have an EX stock. Once he does get that EX though, it’s time to change the gameplan a bit. Throw fireballs only when you’re sure he will not spend an EX stock. Also be sure to put pressure on him through other means - use mixups in your Demon flip and move closer to him, trying to bait a slide or jumpin.

If you can correctly predict a slide, low counter is great for demoralizing him, but blocking low and punshing with sweep or c.mp xx hadou is good too. He should always be afraid to do the slide - and it’s your job to make him afraid.

High blanka ball is begging to be c.hp’d, but often the angle can mess with you and make this not work. (this is his charge b, f+k, not the charge d, u+p). If this curves around and hits you on the head, theres not too much that can be done. Jump straight up + mp is good at knocking it out of the air, but isn’t reliable against this move. High hadou’s are great for this, but plenty risky if you’re wrong. Blocking and seizing the advantage to press the offensive is probably your best bet.

I usually find myself playing offensively against Blankas because they’re so used to playing from the other end of the screen that it can throw them off. Going all agressive you will lose of course, but don’t be afraid to throw out an ex palm or demon flip if he throws away his charge. That’s another key - pay attention to his charge. If he’s holding down+back, then don’t demon flip or jumpin or palm because you’ll probably get beaten. What you do want to do is dash forward, jump straight up, maybe throw a fireball - anything to mess with him.

This post is very rambling and I apologize, but the two most important things are to attack/defend depending on whether or not he has charge, and to react to his jumpins.

you can punish blanka balls if you block high and do reversal lp palm. I’ve tested it and have gotten it to work vs all strength blanka balls, but for some reason sometimes it whiffs.

I have got hit him without reversal sometimes, and sometimes even with reversal it whiffs. I’ll need to do more testing to figure out what’s going on. But yea, no need to try and stuff the ball with cr.fp when you can just punish it after block.

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Gouken vs. Blanka Match up videos:

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C.Viper:

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it is easier to attack viper than defend against viper imo.
jump and hit her out of the air a lot, dash punch a lot and stay aggressive.
i get smoked when she gets her pressure going.

demon flip throw will grab a reversal hp thunder knuckle.
try timing demon flip throw on her wake up to see if you can do it.

For burning kick spam, I watch them try to set me up,set their firecrakers off, and bait the little bs kick, I let them jump at me then I cr lk or fdash then sweep.

what you need to remember is that if viper tks the bk you are not going to get your tatsu off in time and most likely its gonna lose to the fire. When she tks that bk that startup you mentioned has already passed by the time she reaches you and pretty much all your answers sans kongo are more than likely gonna lose. i guess as mentioned c.lk could avoid the bk and setup for a funishing throw. just something to consider.

I also have a friend who plays a really good Viper and after playing the matchup for a while, I’ve realized that she is definitely one of Gouken’s worst matchups. It seems characters with high mobility or speedy pokes such as Viper, Bison, and Balrog really stop Gouken imo because Gouken uses a lot of mixups such as demon flips, angled hadoukens, and resets to get further in a match and these characters can easily stop that as they aren’t as stationary-ish (for lack of a better word) compared to the others. And we all know gouken is weaker than some of the others in the up-close game, which these guys also excel at.

The thing I learned in this matchup is to be really patient with hadoukens and don’t demonflip freely. It’s really hard to do safe demonflips on her anyways and you obviously can’t air parry it due to thunder knuckle fierce so I tend to keep the move at a minimum even though I know Goukens love this move. If you rush down and jump a bit more, it gets you hurt faster as I believe she can control the space better than Gouken and her mixup game is really great. Because of this, I really so like to try to control the space with hadoukens and have her come to me so I can see what the Viper does without risking a bunch of my health going at her. Being conservative does help a lot, until I can better understand the Viper, but even then I’d still be more conservative than I would for other characters. Focus can work if the Viper doesn’t know any better, but afterwards, he or she will probably catch on and won’t let you get that focus out anymore whether it be sjc more or more kick crossups. The counter is good, but she has that j.forward/j.fierce (can’t remember which) where she can cancel into burn kick, which makes the counter whiff. That means you’re vulnerable, so get some counters when you can but don’t just throw them out all the time cause they can easily be baited. Resets are hard to do against her except for the corner reset, so I don’t bother with them and just try to go for optimal damage. And on Gouken’s wakeup when she knocks you down with thunder knuckle or w/e else, it’s hard to deal with her safely. Backdash is useless and will get you bk’ed, EX demon flip ugh…, EX Tatsu is okay at times and I sometimes fadc it for the mixup, but it is so darn risky still.

One of the things I would like to know more about is the okizeme game against her. What should I do? She has thunder knuckle FADC and if it hits, that ultra does hurt :sad: There’s also ex seismic hammer which is SJC. And If I do a safe demon flip, she can see the demon flip coming and user her mobility to get out of the way.

C.Viper Character Specific Option Selects:

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Land a hard knockdown from a sweep or a neutral throw to setup your safe dive kicks.

Hyakki Shuu > Hyakki Goujin ~ cr.Roundhouse/Denjin Hadouken > cr.Fierce xx Jab Gouhadouken

VIPER

From a neutral throw, dash immediately and buffer a Medium Hyakki Shuu. Hit kick at the height of Viper would be if standing. This isn’t the safest dive kick Gouken can do, but it actually has to be a little ‘unsafe’ for the rest of the stuff to work.

If she HP TK’s out, you block and get a full punish for free.

If she EX Seismo’s, the sweep beats the invulnerability. Just do another dive kick immediately and you’ve got her in a loop.

If she EX Burning Kick’s out, the sweep whiffs and the burn kick whiffs. This sets up another sweep or a full punish.

If she blocks, you blockstring out safely.

If she backdashes, she gets swept.

If she Focus backdashes, she gets tagged with a cr.Fierce, with best case scenario being them resetting onto a fireball and gives you frame advantage. This makes Instant Focus backdashes unsafe.

If she does Super or Ultra, you block and get a full punish.

If she does anything else, she eats a fireball combo.

SUPER Changes: Denjin Hadouken as an OS will beat her grounded reversals and her EX Burn Kick. Beats backdash also.

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Cammy:

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-She’s very fast, but she has low stamina and 2 or 3 wrong guesses can win you with match.
-You get a free throw on a blocked spiral. If you block it deep you can cr. fp > bnb
-Be ready to block and tech when she is in close, once you get a read on her timing, EX Kongo her
-Kongo her air dive kick or just block it high or low (again be ready to tech)
-Bait her cannon spiral with a hado > Shinso.
-She has low stun and stamina so a forward throw > meaty denjin can net you an easy stun
-When you get up in the match, zone her and force her to make mistakes
-learn her pokes and which ones give her the frame advantage on your jab, these also happen to be the ones she will 2-1 with a cannon spike or spiral arrow to catch your next attack
-Holligan doesn’t hit crouching opponents- you have alot of options to punish her here

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Chun-li

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-shoot down her fireball with yours to take away some of her pressure options
-you can neutral jump her split kick for full punish
-if you block her jump in’s wait until both attacks register before you block low
-Ultra 1 goes through hado’s
-cross her up to break her charges
-becareful with EX Gouken Flip, she can throw you in the air, instead force her to block a hado and use it to rush her down
-kongo her cross ups
-from max range kongo her cr. roundhouse, worst case scenario you’ll eat a fireball (just make sure the situation favors you to fish for it)
-safe jump her all day
-low counter beats her low options and hasan shu

Chun Li Character Specific Option Selects:

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Punishing Chun Li instant overhead roundhouse on hit

Basically, if Chun Li goes for this at all, Gouken can win the round off of one setup.

On hit:

Walk up > cr.roundhouse

Simple as that. Because she did a jump attack, she can’t trip guard. Hits at max range, and works from anywhere on the screen.

From here, Chun Li can be constantly safe dive kick option selected to death with:

Medium Hyakki-Shuu > Hyakki Goujin ~ cr.roundhouse

EX Bird Kick gets blocked on landing because of it’s 6 frame startup, you can either land a combo of your choice or sweep again. Back dash will make the dive kick whiff, but then get swept because you option selected with sweep so you can do it over and over again. EX Hazan Shu whiffs, switches sides and sets up a max punish with Gouken. All she can do is block, and you have ridiculous frame advantage from the blocked dive kick because of how low it connects. You get to apply your mix up however you want from here.

Once you’ve got your opponent scared of the regular dive kick setup, start using Heavy Hyakki Shuu > Hyakki Goujin for a crossup dive kick. This can also be option selected with cr.roundhouse if they try to dash out.
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Cody

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-He has a lot of armor breaks
-From what I can tell he has poor wake up
-bait him to throw stones then EX GF him
-if he Ultra’s wait until the animations play themselves out before you attack him
-Zone him
-cross him up
-if you block his ruffian kick deep, max punish him
-Far lp is his only 3 frame normal
-his lp is + 3 on block and close mp is +4 on block. if you see these keep blocking or use EX GF to GTFO
-all of his knife moves are safe on block, knife does chip damage if blocked
-Zonk Knuckle has start un invincibility frames, but it is very punishable if you block it.
-he has horrible wake up, go for as many untechs as possible.

vs Cody

Don’t underestimate him, all his strengths comes from his versatile block strings which I will list out below. If you want to beat him, learn to use him!

• if you happen to be at full screen with Cody, do LP fireballs, which are a little bit faster than his rocks. Then bait another rock, while you do EX Gouken Flip
• at 3/4 screen and Cody has EX, people will often bait you doing fireballs and they will did the EX slide kick on reaction.
• at 3/4 screen, don’t jump forward, only use Gouken Flip because he has a few normals which can beat your far jump in right on.
• when close, cross him up with MK and occasional LK. Follow up with st.HP and if he blocks, keep doing Light Gouken Flip
• Watch people who like to use cr.MK to move /evade, Cody’s best tool against your Gouken Flips and late cross overs.
  • Your option select would be immediate cr. HK , although their cr.LP would be faster than you
• Block Strings by Cody
  • cr.LP, cr.LP, cr.MP -> tornado move
  • cl.MP, cr.MP -> tornado
  • cl.HP, cr.LP -> tornado
  • cr.LP, cr.LP, cr.LK -> middle kick / tornado
• The above are the most used by Cody users. Remember they can connect with Tornado and Up Kick combo easily after one cr.LP
• They usually pushed you far after 2 -3 blocked attacks, and they will try to jump on you. Use st.LP to interrupt his jump early.
• When you are knocked down and you see that they are not crossing you up, they are probably trying to do Straight Jump delay Air HP, your best friend is close st.HK.
• Cody waking up and you are doing a GF Dive Kick, some smart Cody will use EX hold PP charge to escape. Very easy to watch him doing while you are still coming down to land, use cr.HK which chase his ending animations and beat him.
• When you are knocked down and he does the EX Stone close range, remember it is +15 for Cody. Don’t move and let him finish all his EX / stones; pay attention to throws and sudden jump in, Kongo the latter.
• Some Cody relies on U2, and if you happen to bait him doing so, You can do ShinSho or Denjin by mashing the inputs right after you blocked the “dust”, works all the time.
• blocked tornado does not equal punish, see below :
  • blocked light tornado -5 for Cody , best choice is LP follow up LP hadouken; do not do cr.HK
  • blocked medium tornado -8 for Cody, if you are pretty far, go for cr.HK; otherwise, cr.HP -> EX Sengokushoha
  • blocked heavy/EX tornado -10/-11, do whatever you want
  • the startup for each of them is all 13 frames, but you can feel the blocked hits are more for heavier versions.

Against Cody another good thing to remember and I’ve done it a few times. If he throws out a close ultra 2 if you nuetral jump the dust you can punish for big damage since his active frames on the second half of the ultra are kinda late you can get away with this. I’ve also jump over the dust from half screen and did the same thing.

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Gouken vs. Cody Match up videos:

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Dan

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-There ARE windows to beat the reversal srk, get in training mode, get creative and learn them and hold them close. You can either attack the frames after invincibility wears off and stuff it, or you can faux-safe jump it and bait/punish the reversal. [media=youtube]qRpb7_BXwjU[/media]
-The only thing you really have to worry about Dan is his hurricane kick > mix up w srk, throw, tick throw, hit confirm, block string.
-Zone him, he can’t win a fireball war with Gouken
-other than that you pretty much play this match up like Ryu and Ken, without the zoning on their part. Force him to jump in and cr. fp the shit out of him
-I’ve been successful with crossing him up with lk
-if he focus’s your lp hado’s alot, throw the 2 hit and force him to jump or block and you can pressure him with EX GF
-Max punish any missed srk or air tatsu
-he can change his trajectory with his air hurricane kick
-use cr. lk to make his Dan Kick (tatsu) whiff, he will fly over Gouken’s head and react accordingly

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Gouken vs. Dan Match up videos:

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Deejay:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Deejay_(SSFIV)

I play this match up the same way you play Guile for the most part, the good thing is you get to neutral jump punish his forward roundhouse kicks and his wake up isn’t as good as guile’s unless he has EX. it has armor break so watch out for it.
-if he backs himself into the corner, keep letting him go there until he runs out of room, he now has less time to charge his sonic boom. Pin him down with hados and force him to fight you with no special moves- be ready to block and tech and use random ex kongos
-watch to see if he’s charged
-cross him up (his EX flash kick has a 4 frame start up though so it can beat your cross up. It has a very very small reversal window) (beware of him sliding underneath your cross up as well)
-kongo his sonic boom if he follows. Learn the distances where he’d be safe, you can also lvl 2 focus and try to absorb and try to hit him or make him block and dash out +6 frame advantage for Gouken here.
-if he rushes you down, use cr. fp and cr. roundhouse to push him back. (watch to see if he focus attacks) cr. mp ~ lp hado works good on focus absorbers
-if he is close to you on wake up and sonic booms- kongo it on your wake up
-his EX maximum kick has a 4 frame invincible start up the others have a 6 frame start up
-you CAN safe jump his flash kick but the timing is very strict

Dee Jay Character Specific Option Selects:

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Dhalsim:

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-At the beginning of the match block or kongo his arms. It’s possible to FA and counter hit them or grab the ends of them.
-Once at a safe distance throw hados to bait him to teleport over, then punish him with a cl. st. hk as soon as he appears, use st. mp or lp for a quick reset (kongo will work if he punches). (if you got a Denjin available you can meaty him after you hit him out of his teleport and then go for the stun)
-If he blocks a hado, use EX GF to rush him down
-cross him up > he can slide away and try to grab you, so be sure to mix up your empty and safe jumps (if you empty jump you can tech the throw)
-safe jump him all day
-he can throw a fireball and disappear to hit you on both sides (use kongo or EX GF)
-if he mis-times a jumping attack, use palm, cr. roundhouse to untech him on the way down, or you can also Denjin/Shin Sho him
-his slide goes under fireballs, so throw fireballs at a safe distance
-If you stay full screen, it’s very hard for him to punish you without being risky, use st. mp to fake a hado and bait him to disappear. Once you get him close, get his ass.
-if you smell a stretched out hp. from full screen, kongo it or EX GF > whatever you wanna use
-be patient, one huge combo can put this match totally in Goukens favor
-his U2 isn’t instant grab, so you can jump away after the animation
-focus absorb his attacks then dash in to punish (especially his jump moves)
-he has a weak close up game, (he will mostly grab you up close or try to slide at you)
-he doesn’t have a wide array of combos and hit confirms (most of his high damage combos come from super and Ultra)

Punishing Yoga Sniper on hit from 3/4 Screen

(As a preventitive measure, high AND low Kongoushin will parry Dhalsim’s jumpback fierce. From max range, you might as well do it, because there isn’t much else to worry about).

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This actually cannot be punished by Gouken midscreen on hit, which is a bit shit. A way to apply pressure here though is to option select Dhalsim with EX Demon Flip > Throw ~ Strong Gouhadouken after being hit. If Dhalsim backdashes, jumps or teleports backwards when he lands, he gets tagged and can be juggled with cr.roundhouse in some circumstances. If he does nothing or hits a button, he gets thrown.

If Dhalsim’s horizontal movement during the jump is stopped in any way by the corner, Gouken gets a free dash > Ultra everytime on hit.

poke at him from long range with low counter and mp. fireball.
demon flip is really good against him too.
up close, low counter hits his slide and his 3 frame standing short.
if he teleports you can hit s.hk and stop it.

I open this match with either hi or low kongo off top, then dash-dash gflip. Suddenly you have front row tickets to the greatest show on earth…oh and st. Jab kills his long rh. If I recall correctly. You can throw him outta his ultra 1 also. On gflips be sure to parry when he tries to st.rh absorb that shit then handle!

Also I’ve been finding vs sim’s 3/5 ths screen dist. makes plastic man real uneasy. But , watchout for U2 at this dist .they all seem to think this is their fierce, cr.fierce, mk, poke zone. Its far enough that you can still spot out that lo or hi kongo and have it waiting for the 2nd to last or final hit of that sad little block string.

For a while iwas doing some kind of jump back rh., then I would o.select to tatsu as that little ethiopian decideD to teleport and sure enough BAP! Tatsu right to the kisser!

You can space a demon flip sweep from far away (so that he can’t anti-air it) for a cheesy knockdown. As long as he doesn’t have super you’re not gonna get punished that hard.

Then if you condition him to block low when you demon flip like that you can just land and parry to recover (god damnit I miss fast demon flip throw recovery).

I think in the match up against Dhalsim, not letting him get away is one point. But as we always thinking of rushing down, Dhalsim can play the other way and teleport behind us, or Low short. As rauywnn says, the best best move is Gouken Flip, either doing it standalone, or after a knock down. The timing is best when the Gouken flip kick is done as meaty, so Sim cannot do low short to switch directions.

The option select (dive kick -> land -> lp palm) works great against Sim who like to back teleport when they feel pressure. What takinflight is good too, doing Kongo on start of round. Can also swap with a heavy Gouken Flip kick, which beats Sim’s back+rh. Swapping these two make Dhalsim think twice and will mind-fxxk him at the start of round. What Dhalsim fears most is Gouken’s cross up MK, try to do this as late as you can, and then see if Sim try to tech / back dash / back teleport. There’s a preference for every Sim, just memorize each of them.

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Dudley:

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-He has all the tools and high stamina LOL
-standing hk can own his machine gun rush- even up close Goukens has a 4 frame start up… NICE he eats both hits!! Lord help him if he decides to whiff and you option select your Ultra.
-Fireball works well against him, look out for his duck though. You can delay the release to confuse him a bit.
-he has a counter move, don’t be too wreckless
-he has an srk like uppercut, no neutral jumping at point blank range
-all of his whiffed moves are very punishable
-he has a FAST overhead
-empty jump his counter
-throw a hado bait him to duck it > Shin Sho his ass

• spam cr. lp if you think he will Machine Gun Buff. -this can take a way alot of his mix up to > srk. Mix this after your hados. He will then try duck, start delaying the timing.

vs Dudley:-

Below is what I experienced in playing against Dudley, they are fast, deadly in the corner but you can keep these things in mind in order to lead the round.

• Their uppercut sucks standalone, no invincibility frames at all. You can jump over him all the time, but watch him doing EX (1-5 F invincible).
• Their best AA normal is the st. MK, even you are almost crossing him up, you will get hit.
• Fireball is very good, do less MP fireballs because they usually duck over/ random EX machine gun. Throw a LP 3/4 screen, they duck, you can do a sweep early and win everytime.
• cross them up after knock down. Beware some Dudley do Cross Counter on reaction, and you got to know your timing when they can / cannot do Cross Counter on wake up. If they do, your option is empty jump cross up -> back throw
• Watch their strings when you get cornered, you would probably get knock down 2-3 times before actually getting out. Best choice is WATCH for their ducking, and tech the throw immediately. Do not do anything or you would get countered by Dudley’s normals.
• Jump up and EX Tatsu to get to other side of the screen. Their EX machine gun will not be able to chase that far.
• When you block their normal Machine Gun Blow, I would do high Kongo. Although their choice could be a throw OR Short Swing Blow, but you are responsible to learn their strings. Each person is different.
• After you block his Ultra 2 (Corkscrew) , you can do Shin Sho / Denjin. Or you could do st. far Roundhouse. I tried to walk up a bit and do cr. HP-> Sengokushoha.
• If they are doing the following, do not try to jump because there’s advantage for them on block
  -> F+HP
  -> F+MK
• Although Dudley’s F+HK is FAST, but you should watch carefully during close combat and do high Kongo on reaction. Practice
• as iamthatiam suggested, st. far Roundhouse is your good friend. You can do this randomly as it really stops Dudley in its track / startup
• cr.LK -> LP hadouken is what you should do in close / mid range.

I suggest you do HK Gouken Flip from a distance and throw them. Dudley have no reason to duck from afar, you just need to know your timing is perfect (from them getting in range <-> your Gouken Flip arrived)

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something else I’d like to add to dudley is to prepare to block low/focus/ or low kongo in the corner, especially if dudley has meter/ultra he does a lot of damage there much like gouken and but its done by his crouching rh scoop or machine gun blow. something that lesser dudleys like to abuse is walk back machine gun blow, going for the the special as you start walking forward, don’t fall for that shit. This match is a really good block/tech practice, because good dudleys are sooo pringles with their offense, mixing in throws and really good at staying in. ex kongo is really good during pressure block strings.
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Dudley Character Specific Option Selects:

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Character Specific Option Selects and situational tactics

Safe Dive Kick Option Select vs. 3rd Strike Characters

All of these use the same setups from a hard knockdown (sweep, throw, Denjin Hadouken) with some very slight modifications based on the character.

Dudley

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Dudlley’s slightly different in that instead of landing deep, it is preferable to hit the dive kick at max range. The main reason for this is that his EX Jet Upper, even if you’ve mistimed the dive kick for this 4f reversal by a frame, can still be blocked due to Gouken’s hitbox moving out of hittable range during his landing animation. This also goes for Rocket Uppercut. Although this does need 4f reversal timing, it can still be safe from this 3f reversal because of Gouken’s hitbox shrinking upon landing.

Again, the option select does the same to Dudley as it does to Makoto and Ibuki, and none of his other reversals (barring Cross Counter) beat out the dive kick.

Special mention goes to Dudley’s Thunderbolt. All versions avoid the dive kick and option select inputs, but leave him free to punish.

Gouken vs. Dudley Match up videos:

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E.honda:

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-struggles against fireballs - his head but is pretty fast though and can catch Gouken on start up
-kongo beats but splash
-cross him up to break his charges
-safe jump him
-neutral jump his command throw for max punish or use EX GF
-he has pretty good range on his command throw
-if in range, beware of 1 hundred hands

The best way to fight E. Honda is to out-zone him with fireballs. That’s Honda’s biggest weakness (and the main reason that he’s not a more popular character online - the prevalence of shotos keeps him down.) Honda will spend the entire match trying to get in close to you and either set up cross ups with his command-throw, or land some EX Flying-Fatman (headbutt) combos.

The EX Headbutt can be a bit of an issue since it’s armor goes through fireballs, but the beginning of the match is YOURS. With three different kinds of fireballs, you force E. Honda to play a guessing game and loose a (hopefully) sizable chunk of life to get in close. Just remember to keep your counter move ready for the times when he tries his sumo-slam (his fly-up-and-land-on-you-with-his-ass move). Your saving grace will be the fact that many of Gouken’s moves send E. Honda flying across the screen, so you only need to get in one lucky shot to make your opponent start his approach all over again. Play defensively and try to out-zone E. Honda. In fact, you can check the E. Honda message boards to see how much trouble they have against fireball-throwers.

E. Honda Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. E.Honda Match up videos:

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El. Fuerte:

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I play a couple of very good (online and offline) Fuerte players on a regular basis. I reckon I’ve got about a 100 or so hours of experience with the match so thought I’d chip in and see if you guys find it useful.

VS El Fuerte

I’m going to go out on a limb.

This is Gouken’s hardest match, hands down. El Fuerte is the only character that can totally and utterly capitalise on Gouken’s weak wakeup game.

Elf simply has ALL the tools needed to keep Gouken from getting up off the floor. It’s not hard for him to land that initial knockdown either seeing as most of Elf’s specials cause a hard knockdown. Like most of Elf’s matchups, it’s pure guess work. EX Demon Flip on wakeup puts Gouken at disadvantage everytime, it doesn’t matter what Elf does. Backdash on wakeup CAN work, but the Elf player only has to change his timing or distance slightly and it’ll still hit because Gouken’s backdash goes nowhere (and a good Elf player WILL do this). Counter is a straight-up guess that you’ll more than likely get wrong, so that can’t be relied on either. Low jabs and shorts won’t do any good, Elf will either smash through them with Tostada or one of his grabs.

The good thing is that despite this being a potentially crippling flaw in this matchup, it’s the only thing he has to worry about as Gouken’s game is superior in all other areas. Elf, despite being a small character, can be shut down with MP fireball very easily and seems to be hit from a fair distance by this (just shy of midscreen). Don’t bother with LP fireball except for meaties on wakeup. MP fireball shuts down ALL of Elf’s dash attacks and limits a lot of his wall game to using it only for offensive purposes. EX dash can obviously get around your fireballs, but this is why MP fireball works because the speed of Gouken’s fireballs means that any psychic EX dashes from Elf are going to get him tagged mid-air. If the Elf player delays the follow-up from the dash, Gouken will have recovered in time from the fireball to (at the very least) block. Only thing to watch for is slide. MP fireball is still a lot more favourable in this situation as the slide will go under LP fireball anyway and only leave you more open to Elf’s grabs.

As far as mounting an offense, play it the same way the Elf player would - go for the knockdown. Fuerte isn’t great on wakeup either, take advantage of this with safe Demon Flip mixups. EX Leg Throw can be punished by by all sorts of nastiness, but I personally go for the sweep.

Play it as dry as possible. The more wakeup situations you put Fuerte in, the higher the chance he’s going to guess wrong. Elf doesn’t have as much life to work with, so he can’t afford to play about. He’s going to be looking for the 100% safe way of getting away from you, which means he’s means he’s going to be burning a lot of his meter (probably with EX dash) just to get away from you.

Neutral jump fierce is as good in this matchup as any other and is best used here as a defensive wall. It beats out most of Elf’s dash and wall attacks and is a good follow-up to MP fireball to counter wall jump-ins. Just watch for the air throw and throw it out early.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Air Parry works on normal and EX Leg Throw. You’re fairly safe throwing out a blank Demon Flip into Parry against Elf if he’s fairly prone to countering jumpins with Leg Throw. Just watch for Tortilla throw as you land and don’t be throwing them out if he’s got Ultra.

Anything else that’s useful, like focussing Tostadas and slides, isn’t really a tactic as it’s mainly guess work and will really vary from one Elf player to another. It works, but it’s generally a 50/50 guess. Weigh up the match (one round up? life lead?) and make an assessment.

As for punishes, play it safe. Don’t follow up EX palm with Tatsu, it’s risky and spacing in this match is everything. Go for the meaty LP fireball on wakeup after landing a palm knockdown. The spacing is just right to punish wakeup Leg Throw with a sweep and you’ll recover from the fireball to neutral jump any Elf wakeup Ultra antics. As usual, land the back throw > Ultra if possible.

To sum up - play this match as dry as possible and it’ll go a lot smoother.

Hope this helps.

El. Fuerte Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. El. Fuerte Match up videos:

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Fei-Long:

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-Very High Pressure Character = opportunities to kongo
-EX Chicken Wing goes through Fireballs and first hit has armor break, whiffs at point blank range if you are crouching
-EX Chicken Wing loses to Denjin and EX Tatsu (I haven’t tried palm)
-Cross him up
-If he rush punches he loses frame advantage, he can delay the 2nd one after the first one, but if you block it you get a free punish. He will also mix up a rising flaming kick after the 1st one to catch your reversal
-he pokes alot- catch his timing and kongo him (EX to be safe)
-neutral jump in his rush punch range, it can lead to a max punish
-safe jump him
-don’t stay close to him with out doing anything to much, he can reverse grab you and punish you. I recommend to try to cross him up with GF somehow
-Without EX Chicken Wing, he has to work HARD to get around fireballs, zone him.

Fei Long Character Specific Option Selects:

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A lot of this can be applied to other characters, get in the lab and experiment because it’s the only way to understand how it all works. Shotos not posted because SungHoon has already covered the best ways to use dive kick on them.

Option Select against Fei Long’s wake up

Land a hard knockdown from a sweep or a neutral throw to setup your safe dive kicks.

Medium Hyakki Shuu > Hyakki Goujin ~ cr.Fierce > cr.Fierce xx Jab Gouhadouken

If Fei does nothing, dive kick hits and you get the fireball combo. If you have the meter, you can FADC the fireball and land another sweep setup.

If Fei blocks, you blockstring out and get some chip and pushback, with you being at frame advantage.

If Fei does any version of Shienkyaku, it gets blocked and can be punished with anything you want.

If Fei backdashes, he gets caught with the first part of the cr.fierce which nets the full damage and stun, not the weak damage from a fully extended Hulkamania. The fireball also comes out and hits meaty at about sweep range.

If Fei does short, forward or EX Rekkakyaku, he gets hit by a full damage cr.fierce which then cancels and has to block a meaty fireball on landing. Even if he Roundhouse/EX Rekkakyakus or Rekkashinkens out to avoid the chip, you recover to either jump away or punish.

If Fei does roundhouse Rekkakyaku, the cr.fierce whiffs and Fei sails over Gouken’s head to switch sides. He lands at pointblank and Gouken recovers to max punish or sweep again.

SUPER Changes: Denjin Hadouken can be used as the OS instead of the cr.fierce, although it will not beat EX Rekkakyaku. Be aware that Gekirinken has 0 startup, so technically no safe jumping on Fei Long if he’s using this.

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Gouken vs.Fei Long Match up videos:

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Gen:

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-own the skies with hado
-zone him
-weak wake up
-he has multiple armor breaks
-kongo his cross ups
-if you can make his wall dives whiff, beware of the throw or the running man LOL
-he has low stamina, a couple of wrong guesses and he is done for
-Denjin is good to try to stun him

Gen Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Gen Match up videos:

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Gouken:

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Gouken Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Gouken Match up videos:

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Guile:

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-if he backs himself into the corner, keep letting him go there until he runs out of room, he now has less time to charge his sonic boom. Pin him down with hados and force him to fight you with no special moves- be ready to block and tech and use random ex kongos
-watch to see if he’s charged this, if he is don’t jump in or you will eat a flash kick. Throw hados to force him to break his charge
-cross him up
-kongo his sonic boom if he follows. Learn the distances where he’d be safe
-kongo the 2nd hit of his roundhouse, or focus absorb to get in close
-he can air throw your Gouken Flip
-if he rushes you down, use cr. fp and cr. roundhouse to push him back. (watch to see if he focus attacks)
-if he is close to you on wake up and sonic booms- kongo it on your wake up
-watch for EX Sonic Boom, he can’t beat you in a fireball fight without it
-beware of walk up and grab
-he has some decent block strings and links to his normals now, block and tech or fish for an EX Kongo

Sonic Booms - Don’t try to beat Guile in a long distance firefight because Guiles Ex Sonic Booms will throw your timing off. a Turtling Guile’s weakness is midrange fire ball fights because your fire ball will come out more than his, this forces Guile to either retreat back or advance to throw your game off but this is what you want. But your real goal is to back him in a corner because he is at his weakest since he cant’ run and the only possible option is to jump towards you exposing him to a counter attack and Gouken has many of his own.

When you do need to jump in on him use jumping lk or mk to stop Guiles Flash Kicks, make sure the attack hits just above his head where you anticipate he may try to use a flash kick. You will either hit him out of it or land a cross up attack allowing you to combo him. This of course is an Oldie but Goodie tactic that has been used in all Street FIghters.

If your having trouble stopping Guiles trip, use an Ex version of the Gouken COunter, it counters both high and low attacks easily. If you must use a Low Counter with Kick remember your already starting the motion by pressing back when you block the first kick, so comple the motion and you will catch him. He’ll never know what hit him.

Note: As a basic strategy if you encounter a Guile player that turtles many will try to Flash Kick you in a reversal when they get up, the best thing to do is approached the downed Guile like your about to do a meaty combo and hold block as he stands and watch h im, he may throw a flash kick wiffing and allowing you to do as you please when he lands. Using jumping lk or mk in the same matter as above just before he gets up works too.

Guile Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Guile Match up videos:

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Guy:

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-make him work to get in close
-alot of his pokes gives him frame advantage (block/tech, wait to use EX GF, or EX Kongo to push him back)
-kongo beats shoulder drop and any of his running options except for run > stop
-without ex he has poor wake up
-he has have you in the corner to really do BIG damage to you
-His tatsu-like move if blocked gives you max punish
-st. cl. hk also beats his shoulder drop if it’s not a point blank range- This is good for a meaty denjin
-throw fireballs to force him to jump
-pressure the shit out of him when you have the chance
-he has 2 ways to air throw you
-most of his pokes start with cr. lk
-block his running neck flip kick standing

here is somethings i have noticed fighting guy:

1. he can kara cancel his overhead into flip or run so keep an eye out for that
2. if he does his flip right in front of u cl. st. hk will knock him out of the air and tatsu also works if you have the reactions.
3. if he has ex meter watch out for frame trap after his shoulder special cuz they will ex tatsu right after it and beat whatever you throw after blocked shoulder

just my two cents, hope it helps

Guy Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Guy Match up videos:

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Hakan

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*If he has Ultra II, DO NOT USE WAKE UP GOUKEN FLIP
-If he safe jumps you with a stocked U2 either counter or block and be ready to back dash, tech, or jump > tatsu the hell outta there
-If he attacks you and has a stocked U2 from the ground then be ready to backdash, block and tech, counter attack, or jump and tatsu the hell outta there
-Zone him when he has Ultra II as any jump in can prove to be fatal
-You can safe jump him and use EX GF all day long if he has Ultra I
-Horrible Wake Up without his Ultra
-Dive Kick gives you max punish on his slides
-Without his oil, you can pressure him with hado > dash in. If he decides to oil up, hado him and force him to block or get hit and rush him down.
-I’ve been using the Denjin alot lately, but you could bait a slide with hado and Shin-Sho him
-He’s very punishable for almost any thing he does wrong
-He has slow pokes
-lk Gouken flip can cross him up at point blank range
-jump out his throws on wake up, it’s possible he can grab you with the kick version but the timing is very strict
-He can delay his throws, so if you back dash he still can catch you

Hakan’s game is somewhat predictable (other reason why he’s low tier), but can be annoying. My Hakan notes:

• Keep him away, period.
• Especially keep him away when he’s oiled. Once he’s oiled, kara grabs and that mashable SPD grab ahoy!
• His jump arch is junk and highly susceptible to MP/HP fireballs.
• He WILL slide at you, frequently. Bait that slide with fake fireballs. Once he commits to a non EX slide, you can punish really bad.
• Hakan’s HP/HK normals aren’t fast, but have good priority in air and do big damage. Expect them up close and you can kongo quick.
• Hakan is a grappler, bait his grabs, look for empty jump-ins. Once he has oil, the range is extended for all of them. Combine EX + oil, you will get grabbed through block string.
• More than likely, Hakan will pick U2 as his ultra. I tend to lol at this selection since its so obvious when he’ll try to do it. Just avoid coming at him or flying near him once he has it. I tend to stay as grounded as possible and LK demon flip to bait it out.
• Hakan’s main goal is the knock-down mixup. Hakan has NO crossover, so you’re looking at empty jump-ins, block strings where he can oil up SPD, etc.

My typical game plan:

• Get full screen and start the fireball war. Don’t be overly predictable with this, he’ll start the slide and immediate mixup.
• Once he’s close, he will go for command grabs or empty jumps or hitting you with his normals. Demon flip mixups are good (when he doesn’t have U2) and Hakan does have problems with this.
• Once I Hakan OFF of me, I go back to a bit of a fireball war and make him come at me.
• Neutral jumping really toys with Hakan (when spaced well). Neutral jump HP stuffs a lot of what Hakan will attempt up close.
• Bait. Bait. Bait. Hakan wants you to apply block string pressure so he can spam oiled/EX SPD. Hakan wants you to toss fireballs so he can slide. Baiting these to punish shuts him down.
• Last, but not least: c.HP. His jump-ins tend to get stuffed with c.HP!
• When you score any knockdown, go at him. His moves are bad when you crossup and apply demon pressure mixups if he’s not oiled, doesn’t have EX or isn’t ready for U2.
• Avoid any form of air pressure at him when he has U2. Its not worth ANY attempt – that U2 is so easy to land, has massive range, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, Hakan can do BIG damage fast, but I don’t tend to fear him online. I have lost to Hakan’s, but it was more due to stupid mistakes and not baiting enough (which I learned after losing).

Hakan Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Hakan Match up videos:

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Ibuki

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Can anyone give tips on Gouken's matchup against Ibuki?

She is another character that has to be close to affect you. But she is good at getting past hados with her slide. Try and bait that if you can from full screen if you block it its a free back throw. Don’t focus fish her since she can pretty much target combo off of every normal. Counter and blocking and teching well are important. Avoid trying to mush out counter during her target combos since she can go into raida I think it is. The one where she grabs you and its you with blue ball, its armor break. If you do get hit with her 1 target combo that leads to reset Kongo works good if she follows you since she is trying to keep the stun going shell probably be going for same combo. If you knock her down safe jump and demon flip her. Even with ex her wake up game is garbage. Cross up demon flip is pretty effective on her wake up too. Just remain calm and patient wait for your opening than be relentless besides her dash move that goes behind you she really can’t handle pressure well. And since gouken still does nice damage a couple nice bnb’s and a counter or 2 and she is one hurt bitch. Just beware of her rush down other than that patience.

Can anyone give tips on Gouken's matchup against Ibuki?

If you block her slide deep, you should be able to punish with cr. fp > bnb this makes Denjin useful, b/c she has to be very cautious when you rush her down b/c she’s near stun and the match could be over. I prefer to dash and cr. roundhouse after the EX palm if I don’t have the Denjin and pressure her. If you use follow up palm after EX Palm and you start throwing fireballs to zone her she can slide through and you’ll lose what you worked so hard for. If you still want to zone, I’d say crouch then do a st. mp to see if she bite the fake lp had and slide again. Rinse and repeat.

If you are using the Shin-sho then Orion609 is pretty much spot on, just bait her slide and back throw her to her misery.

Can anyone give tips on Gouken's matchup against Ibuki?

her air attacks can be kongo or cr hp. and you can also throw a fireball after block, through the one attack she does with a jumpback kunai, and it hits her on the way down. or palm throw the kunai.

always be mindfull to block low, because that is a great way for her to get in on gouken, since he should be able to keep her out of the air.

once she’s in and lands a target, try your hardest to get back to mid distance with her and stay to keeping her out of the air and blocking her slides.

havent tried yet, but i wonder if you can land denjin after blocking her aerial attack that she throws kunai off of.

Ibuki Character Specific Option Selects:

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Safe Dive Kick Option Select vs. 3rd Strike Characters

All of these use the same setups from a hard knockdown (sweep, throw, Denjin Hadouken) with some very slight modifications based on the character.

Ibuki

Medium Hyakki Shuu > Hyakki Goujin ~ cr.Roundhouse > cr.Fierce xx Jab Gouhadouken

Pretty much the same as Fei Long and Sagat (5f reversal timing), but with a couple of advantages on top. You want to be hitting Ibuki’s shins ideally.

If the dive kick is positioned to hit deep inside Ibuki’s hitbox, EX Kazegiri will whiff and Gouken will land behind Ibuki, everytime. This doesn’t have to be a crossup dive kick, just deep or ambiguous enough so that you would land pretty close if it hit normally.

All of Ibuki’s other reversals get beaten out by the dive kick, and Backdash/Focus Backdash do the same to Ibuki as it does to Makoto.

Hashinsho reversal can be blocked if the dive kick is timed as described. If your dive kick is 4f reversal safe, she can reversal Yoroitoshi - so that’s why it’s preferable to do the slightly less safe 5f reversal timing.

Gouken vs. ibuki Match up videos:

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Juri

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Juri_(SSFIV)

I don’t know a lot about juri, but here’s what I do know.

-She has low stamina and Stun
-Force her to block a hado and pressure her
-besides EX pinwheel her wake up is poor
-hado’s can own the air
-neutral jump to make her dive kick miss and punish
-her ex dive kick always gives you a max punish if you block it
-she can store her FB’s and use them later
-lk pinwheel from max range is safe on block - keep her out of that range

ok, I figure I can gives this a try, I mean I want to help as well.

This match is not hard at all.
-Juri is a rush character be patient and time her attacks with Kongo
-you can Kongo her Senpusha (spinning wheelkick) even the ex version, or cr. roundhouse when blocked.
-her dive kick is her breaker, max punish on all version if blocked, or shisho if you can react to it.
-she cant win a fb fight with Gouken plus you can palm through her projectiles.
-mp and fp FB are prefer against Juri keep her from using her dive kick. lp version only to bait dive kick then go for max punish, but I would not recommend it, she comes down pretty fast off that dive kick, remember that the ex can wall bounce you into ultra 2 so keep that in mind when playing Juri.
-Her air-to-air is mp which she can combo into her ex dive kick. She can also use this to mixup her crossup game in the corner since it will not cross you in the corner, cr. fp or kongo should do the trick.
-palm breaks her counter. Juri likes to use her counter against projectile chracters to get in close and then they use cr.mk into senpusha, I usually stay a mid screen, if you notice they do this, bait it and when they go for counter, be ready with an ex or low kongo, or trick them into thinking you are about to go for projectile and deliver a palm into her counter for a nice surprise.
-low life, (for those Denji users have fun with her 950lf.)

That pretty much what I found against her, for the most part her ground pressure is not that difficult to read, she tends to start her combos from cr. lk, or cr. mk into senpusha, a random low kongo should shut this down. Her only good wake up is her ex senpusha, without any meter her wake up game goes to shit, so mixup all day. Hope this helped.

Some of my 2cents, hope it helps

[against Juri]

• Her Air-to-Air normals are as good as Chun-Li. If you figure out they are going to jump attack, don’t wait for Kongo, jump up and hit MP or HP really early to beat her normals.
• whenever she gets near and plays the poking game, stop her by using crouching LK -> lp hadouken to push her away. Don’t mash kongo too much because some people LIKES to tick n throw.
• do not punish/counter when you block her light wheel kick, it is -4 on block and your sweep is 6 frames startup. They often bait with 2 light wheelkicks, and the last one will usually be EX version. So I suggest keep blocking till they do heavy/EX version.
• only jump in when she’s knocked down and no EX. Mix up with cross up jump in, forward throw, gouken flip sweep (if she jumps a lot).

Try to figure out a gameplan as early as possible. I suggest rushing Juri down. Although Gouken has a faster fireball plus angled fireball to control spacing, Juri has a LOT of options to evade those fireballs. Mid screen is not good as she can do those DIVES with armor break to close in. Staying real close to her is the best option, force her to use energy on EX wheelkicks, cross her up, tick n throw, demon flip dive kick/sweep. Alternate these in each round and you should be on the advantage!

Juri Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Juri Match up videos:

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Ken

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Ken_(SSFIV)

There are 2 types of Kens, rush down Ken and zoning Ken. Zoning Ken is an easy match up, rush down Ken can be a tough match up for Gouken. But fear not you are the master and you can beat him.

-There ARE windows to beat the reversal srk, get in training mode, get creative and learn them and hold them close. You can either attack the frames after invincibility wears off and stuff it, or you can faux-safe jump it and bait/punish the reversal. [media=youtube]qRpb7_BXwjU[/media]
-Learn how to beat the step kick mix up. He will use step kick to pressure you, you can go for the cr. mp for counter hit, but srk wins. If you think he will follow up attack, kongo or EX kongo is best or just block the damn thing and try to bait a srk to punish.
-he will mix the step kick, over head, tick throw, block string, and kara-throw up on you. This is very tough for anyone. Block and tech it and find a way out, worse case scenario eat the overhead and keep blocking low or crouch teching.
-he has slow recovery on hado’s you have to make him pay when he starts throwing them out (golden opportunity for Gouken).
-if you get up in the match, zone him, it’s hard for him to rush without risk
-he will hit confirm to srk or tatsu. mostly tatsu for the stun, be ready to block and tech his follow up srk, or grab. Sometimes they will use overhead to hit you, so be aware.
-if he blocks a dive kick- land and do nothing, if he tries to reverse with an srk. it’s a free punish. If you must do something make sure it is a true block string as he can srk between your frame traps.
-palm through his fireballs, his recovery is very slow
-beware of his EX fireball when he wants to pressure
-kongo is air tatsu cross up, or any of his cross ups
-cr. fp is very good AA against him
-you can FA and counter hit his step kicks
-beware of blocked lp srk > follow up srk
-beware of the tick grabs. He has very good on block frame data, which leads to a bunch of grabbing

I hate fighting KEN ~~

[against Ken]
I am not going to repeat what iamthatiam had mentioned so here we go.

• Scrub Kens like to do cr. forward -> EX fireball after their little block strings, gotta stop Focus after the low forward because they get EX bar fast!

• Zone them by reading their mind, they have these options, -> fireball; step kick; jump HK, let’s say you only jump forward if they a fireball close.

• they like low forward after step kick, do low Kongo ; don’t EX Kongo because it does less damage

• As suggested by iamthatiam, More often they blocked your jump-in attack, they SRK; Watch their EX bar the whole game to see if they can FADC.

• When they have U2, never throw lp fireball even half screen; Trust me.

• Good Kens are nightmare, all their cross ups are well timed with flurries of crouch, LK, LP and Kara throw, BLOCK everything until you figure they push you to “KARA throw” zone; then its time for you to do low LK to push them away, it is actually good option because it avoids kara throw and also trades with any normals Ken throws after his short attacks.

• Either dash back or jump cross up Ken. Because you don’t want to stay in his step kick zone. Sometimes I will do jump back, Air light tatsu, to get away.

Ken SRK has improved with startup, recovery, damage. So Gouken’s main attack route will NOT be dive kick, cross up, jump in tick n throw; I strongly suggest taking the game to a whole new level.
E.G. stay back 3/4 to full screen and do fireballs, when 3/4 screen, do LP palm and learn his reactions (LP palm is good at this range as it is pretty safe on block at max range, Ken must block or if he’s good enough to SRK your palm I have nothing to say. You shouldn’t let him see the palm coming).
E.G. Walk up from far away, see his reactions. Your sweep is 6 frames and is probably your best choice if he did anything punishable, ok, if he jumps toward you (which should be close range but not enough to cross you up) react with Standing Close HK.
E.G. At mid screen, do high Kongo / low Kongo a couple of times for no reason. This shuts down some of his options in his HEAD. Then you dash forward to throw~~ you get what I mean? Good Kens has everything well ranged, well timed, and they will fall for Random stuff. You should think of your own.

One thing for me to add abt Ken ultra 2, when he activates it, just crouch hp. Very easy to beat it…

Ken Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Ken Match up videos:

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M.Bison (Dic):

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/M.Bison(SSFIV)

-take em to safe jump city if you un-tech him
-he has NO OVERHEAD ATTACK
-walk away or back dash and punish his whiffed head stomp with cr. roundhouse or cr. fp > bnb
-hado his whiffed devils reverse to force him to jump
-psycho crusher has armor break
-don’t kongo EX headstomps, either move away and punish or block (don’t kongo the follow up either if they have EX) instead use cl. st. hk
-cross him up
-beware of his empty jumps he has the normal one, and he can empty devils reverse
-watch out for scissor kick loop
-watch out for consecutive st. hk’s
-his slide is quick but is very punishable

Gouken vs. Bison / Dictator

this is another block and tech practice session like balrog, except with more jumping!
i learned something from my last session with dc hustle’s bison: bison can scissor and then wait to see if you neutral jump or ex demon flip.
if you do, bison can react with ex headstomp!
i had to stop trying to break out of his pressure with ex demon flips because of it.
of course, he was letting up on the pressure to bait like that, so i could have started responding with pokes and dash to throw, if i was smart, which i wasnt.

Gouken vs. Bison / Dictator

If your gonna play to learn opponents playstyle first round, keep him far away, mp fb spam and put a roof over his head. His bnb’s are too easy to mess up so they will hit confirm 99.5% to their entirety. I agree with backdash vs headstomps. His st. Rh is powerful and has excellent reach, if he starts to spam it when close , backdash 2x and restart mp fb spam…he will inevitably slide into backthrow, or cr rh. When were close in proximity on dic’s wakeup he loves that ex headstomp or devils reverse, jump up with him just ahead of him and jab or j.rh, crossunder and whoop that ass…

Gouken vs. Bison / Dictator

What i have learned so far is, that you have to keep moving, when you are in mid or full range of Bison. So it will be more difficult for him to place save scissor kicks from these ranges. And ya keeping pressure is really the key against a Bison player, since he havent so many defensive tools or answers. For Gouken who really have slow normals against Bison isnt this really an advantage to make pressure, but there is no other way to get him down. Zoning wont help, cause Bison doesnt care about fireballs.
I think its better to poke him on the ground than getting him by jump ins, cause of his great anti air. Sure there are some situations where u can get him by jump ins but i think it shouldnt be usually.
When u play online, there arent so many really good bison players out there and then it isnt anymore a problem for gouken.
But against really good bison players who knows every plus and minus, it is a hard way to get through this matchup.

M.Bison Character Specific Option Selects:

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Stopping Bison from doing anything on wakeup

The same principle as all of Gouken’s dive kick option selects, but this one is really effective in that Gouken is safe whatever happens.

Throw/sweep setup, then…

Dash > Forward Hyakki Shu > Hyakki Goujin ~ Strong Senkugoshoha > cr.fierce xx Jab Gouhadouken

So his get outs are Teleport, EX Scissors, EX Crusher and EX Stomp/Devil’s Reverse. The timing for the safe jump can be however you want really, but for the purposes of the option select it’s best to delay the dive kick a shade more than for Chun Li’s since the startup on Bison’s reversals are pretty slow and you don’t want your OS Palm to be stuffed by his slow starting reversals. This means that whatever happens, you’ll either block EX Scissors and Crusher, avoid Devil’s Reverse and forward Teleport completely, or punish back Teleport for free.

This will more than likely push them to the corner, be it from the blockstring or Palm. Even if he reversals out, his responses are all either putting him in the corner or in a position that can be punished again and again.

SUPER Changes: Denjin Hadoken can be used for an option select also, however you do need to be aware it will only punish his ground reversals. It’s a judgment call on the Gouken players behalf, but generally I’d use this if they had no meter.

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Gouken vs. M.Bison Match up videos:

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Makoto

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Makoto_(SSFIV)

-poor wake up, make her afraid of the vortex. Everything you do to her should result in an untech or a dive kick frame trap > another vortex
-lp hado stops her forward movement and forces her to jump
-cr. fp and kongo are great AA
-If she has an ultra, stay out of command grab range. She can ultra you after an EX command grab
-very high pressure character
-she can fake you out with her rush punches
-cross her up
-if she can’t get around Gouken’s hado’s you will more than likely win
-she can feint her rush punch and command grab you

Makoto Character Specific Option Selects:

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Character Specific Option Selects and situational tactics

Safe Dive Kick Option Select vs. 3rd Strike Characters

All of these use the same setups from a hard knockdown (sweep, throw, Denjin Hadouken) with some very slight modifications based on the character.

Makoto

*Medium Hyakki Shuu > Hyakki Goujin ~ cr.Roundhouse > cr.Fierce xx Jab Gouhadouken
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The timing on this is pretty much the same as Abel. You have to time the dive kick to hit meaty at about the boob region. She can’t do anything to avoid taking some damage if it’s timed right. EX Oroshi gets swept for another hard knockdown. EX Karakusa absorbs the dive kick, but whiffs the grab. This is the ideal scenario for the Gouken player, as this means the dive kick doesn’t count as part of the combo and only starting at the fireball two-in-one, meaning damage scaling does not affect it as much.

Both Ultras can be blocked.

Backdash gets swept.

Focus Backdash gets caught by the cr.Fierce and resets Makoto to land on the fireball.

Gouken vs. Makoto Match up videos:

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http://www.sf4tube.com/
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Rose:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Rose_(SSFIV)

After hard knock down, Empty jump early to bait the ultra, or after knockdown , dash and cross up w/m.k, I love baiting ultras. Always keep her just outside sweep distance. She is a non issue for me.

I played several rose players, and I think both characters have a fair chance.

Gouken has a wake-up preasure against rose (not good but he has it nevertheless), but his fireball game, as well as demon flip and plam is being destroyed by rose zoning. However he soul spark has horrid recovery, you can, on reaction, Ex demon flip to DF throw or dive kick, not that the rose player will spam soul spark that much.

Rose has good pokes and an average preasure game, but to a character without a DP or good wake-up options, thats devastating. Rose can beat Gouken’s zoning game by her slides, ultra through fireball (at mid range) /palm/Demon Flip, and she can use reflect to deflect his fireballs or even absorb for ex meter. She, like Gouken, has weak wake-up game, so you can use it to your advantage, by apllying his supposed “Vortex” mix ups, without the fear of a dp to ultra crap.

Since rose can choose her distance as she pleases, from far screen to mid to up close, and her superior up close game, I call it (based on what I fought, so don’t take it seriously) a 5.5/4.5 Rose Favor. Gouken health and huge combos can end the match, but he has hard time to get them, Rose got the better pokes and neglify some of Gouken’s zoning game and have good preasure game. Both suck on wake-up and on preasure.

Generally all Gouken has going for him is damage output in this fight. If you take away his fireball game he’s not left with much to set up an offense. Rose’s low strong beats pretty much anything Gouken has poke-wise and he’s pretty susceptible to throws, so Rose gains some advantage already from this as she has a strong throw mixup. You’re not going to tech every one of them, and you’ll probably eat a low strong xx spiral for trying.

Dive kick works well as a get in. Low fierce xx MK flip resets also can’t be stuffed by reversal EX Soul Throw, but can by a non reversal EX Soul Throw. I made a post recently about this in another thread. I don’t think she can low fierce the dive kick in time either from a reset. Her only get outs are (I think) backdash and spiral, which leave you in a more advantageous position anyway. I haven’t touched it over Christmas so apologies if I’m wrong.

Overall, I personally tend to try and play the match aggressively and keeping her at about sweep range where Gouken’s pokes tend to beat Rose’s. I personally think the match is in Rose’s favour due to her throw game and close normals but I do alright against the ones I’ve come across.

If you can punish anything of Rose’s on block, it’s because the Rose player misspaced their attack. Most punishables are EX spiral, LK (short) spiral, and slide.

Slide can be punishable to the point where if it isn’t spaced right, when sliding in on Guile for example, he can reversal flash kick and there isn’t a damn thing Rose can do. Flash kick has 4 frames of start up, so maybe Gouken can get a free back grab into ultra out of it.

I’m sure on misspaced LK/EX Spirals, Rose has no choice but to attempt grab tech, or burn 2 more meter to FADC to safety. Otherwise she can eat a combo.

The most common cause of a misspaced EX spiral at least, is if a Rose player was anticipating you to do something punishable in close range, but you were being defensive, and just blocked it. Not much different from a blocked EX Messiah Kick.

Some perks Rose has in this match: easy slide under lp fireballs, Spiralling is good for pressure without fear of Gouken’s reverse DP, (though he has other options) Rose’s ultra can catch Gouken’s dash punch, and flip (except maybe dive kick) for free after reflect.

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A lot of Goukens I’ve played runaway for most of the match, which is kind of reasonable since Rose can only throw fireballs first when Gouken has no meter, and it’s kind of a bitch getting to him and keeping him down. But her pokes are outstanding, so that’s a fair trade.

I’d call this match 5-5

Yeah I’d say it’s 5-5, I missed a lot of opportunities esp. after catching the spiral and slide with a back throw. I’m still trying to figure out if these are techable on Rose’s part though. I was able to catch the slide with a palm but you have to be quick, if she has an Ultra I don’t even try it.

I did find out during the match that cr. mp and cr. lk are your best friends in this match up. After she completes a few safe pokes, they will beat the next attack out. I’m thinking it would be wise to follow up cr. mp with a FB to keep some added pressure on her to push her back a bit.

The Rose I sparred against used normals heavily (mainly the ones that give Rose frame advantage) and also showed me that you can EX Spiral after a normal Spiral and it pretty much beats anything but Ultra. Goukens backdash doesn’t even work here.

I did have a lot of sucess with FA against her, and this get’s easier if you are able to punish a couple of Spirals. I guess the key to the match up is to recognize which attacks she is using upclose, so you can know your options. So it looks as if I will be playing with Rose for a few days to get used to recognizing her stuff. It kinda sucks because you don’t really see too much of Rose on XBL.

Here’s something I discovered about the slide and Spiral mix up. Rose can slide from a far distance and force you to block the slide, if she transitions to Spiral right after the slide this beats out your next attack even though slide is supposed to be -6 on block b/c of the spacing. She can’t tech you throwing her after the Spiral but she can tech the grab after the slide if it was spaced properly. You can also neutral jump after the slide to avoid the string but you have to be holding up during her slide if you think she is going to Spiral you, this also will make her Soul Throw Whiff but you MUST buffer the neutral jump during her slide. You can also jump backwards after the slide if you think she is going to Spiral you and hit her with a BNB Combo from jumping FP > Whatever. The Soul Throw will catch you jumping back though, but you can jump back with hard kick to stuff her Soul Throw before it starts up (I’ve landed this 50/50 in training mode although jumping back lk stuffs it clean But you MUST buffer the jump.

Another thing about the slide>spiral string is lk and mk Tatsu can beat out her normal spirals between slide > spiral. Don’t try this vs. EX Spiral. You can also kara throw here after her cr. mp (you just have to watch out for the spiral but if you’ve thrown her a few times after the spiral you will have a better chance of landing this b/c your opponent will abandon the spiral for a while.

Soul Piede catches jump aways also.

You nailed her glaring weakness. She is screwed on knock down. I also like to play aggressively, but I become very apprehensive of doing so when playing against Gouken because of his reversal. Between that, and lack of good damage outside of Ultra or comboing her super, it’s a matchup I don’t feel comfortable in.

Added. I’m almost never on during the weekend. Best time for me to get matches in is weekday evenings.

i played a long set with gammacharge1977 earlier today and this is what i think about rose, as i could tell from what he showed me.
it is almost impossible for rose to land her ultra on gouken.
in the first few matches, gamma showed me that i couldnt follow a fireball with a demon flip while he had ultra, so i stopped doing that.
the only way he every hit me with ultra after that was by superb reaction to my incessant neutral jumping.
unless rose has some way to combo into ultra, gouken never ever has to get hit by it.
gouken, however, has lots of ways to land his ultra and other large damage combos on rose.
from what i could tell, rose’s long range game requires meter to make a play against gouken.
gouken can sit at range and mess with his lp.fireball charge times for some free damage against reflect.
rose’s slow fireball is really good at mounting an attack against gouken if he doesnt shoot it down right away.
overall though, in my opinion, gouken just sits at range and gains meter while his normal fireballs have an advantage.
in close, rose has some nice pokes and blocked damage but i never felt that “oh fuck” pressure from her being inside like i do against fei long, balrog or cammy.
it seems like gouken can just hold down back, wait, push her out to fireball range with jabs or kongo now and then.
i neutral jumped a WHOLE lot, which isnt great, but gamma kept letting me hit him with giant gouken combos for doing it so i was a dog on the bone.
rose has to have a lot of patience against gouken, he just hits too hard.
the think the end result was 26-4 me, but a lot of those were very close and we had a slow connection.
gamma could play a really good round then gouken just BUUUUUUURP’s out a giant combo.
i think gouken’s damage potential is an advantage he has over rose, but her pokes might even it out with careful play.
as we all know, you have to give gouken an opening to do his damage.
he isnt going to rush you down and ultra you off a jab string.

First off, ggs. I appreciate all the caveats. Matches being close, slow connection, etc. After a score like that? None of that matters: I got bodied. I appreciate you being nice about it, and trying to help me save face.

After a while I was getting really frustrated, and more than a few times I had to remind myself to be patient. I was being stupid, and giving you openings. Going from a full life bar to a KO in 2 combos? That was demoralizing.

The good thing about it is that I intend to use the loss to analyze what I did wrong, and how to approach the matchup in the future. I was given video capture equipment over the Holidays. Once I have a chance to set it up, I’d like to run it back.

As it stands now, I’ll have to agree. Gouken does have the advantage. He can do to Rose with a combo what she needs a full Super meter to do. He also recovers too quickly after releasing a fireball to Ultra on reaction. Gouken needs to leave himself wide open to Ultra. He has many more ways to hurt her than her. Gouken needs to make a lot of mistakes that Rose can capitalize on to lose the round. She only needs to guess wrong 2-3 times to lose a round.

I didn’t feel comfortable going on offense against Gouken. Especially when he has Ultra, and I can eat a throw into Ultra. Being too defensive is just giving away free damage, and leading to letting myself be zoned. Usually if a fireball character wants to sit on the opposite side of the screen I don’t mind. Keep charging my meter. Full Super bar? Cool! Gouken’s delays/charging would keep screwing up my timing and led me to eating fireballs to the face. I really need to rethink how I approach this matchup.

Rose Character Specific Option Selects:

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Land a hard knockdown from a sweep or a neutral throw to setup your safe dive kicks.

Hyakki Shuu > Hyakki Goujin ~ cr.Roundhouse/Denjin Hadouken > cr.Fierce xx Jab Gouhadouken

ROSE

From a neutral throw, dash immediately and buffer a Medium Hyakki Shuu. Hit kick at the height of Rose would be if standing.

If she EX Soul Throw’s out, it whiffs and you recover to get a full punish.

If she EX Spiral’s out, the sweep beats the invulnerability frames.

If she does Super, you block with her at frame advantage. She’s got no meter, fuck her up!

If she does Ultra, it gets blocked and you get a free punish. Dash, backthrow then Ultra is possible.

If she blocks, you blockstring out safely.

If she backdashes, she gets swept.

If she Focus backdashes, she gets tagged with a cr.Fierce, with best case scenario being them resetting onto a fireball and gives you frame advantage.

If she does anything else, she eats a fireball combo.

These can also be done from a sweep. Just do a light Hyakku Shuu AS SOON AS YOU’RE ABLE TO and everything will work.

SUPER Changes: Denjin Hadouken as an OS will beat her grounded reversals. Be aware that Soul Satelite makes it harder to put Rose into this loop now also.

Gouken vs. Rose Match up videos:

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Ryu:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Ryu_(SSFIV)

-There ARE windows to beat the reversal srk, get in training mode, get creative and learn them and hold them close. You can either attack the frames after invincibility wears off and stuff it, or you can faux-safe jump it and bait/punish the reversal. [media=youtube]qRpb7_BXwjU[/media]
-he likes to zone with fireballs- bait him into a fireball fight and use Gouken Flip or Palm to punish
-cr. fp is great AA against him, it does trade with his jumping hk from time to time and his j. hk can also beat Gouken’s cr. fp if it’s not timed properly.
-great block strings- be ready to kongo or play it safe and just block and tech
-kongo his air tatsu
-if he uses tatsu from a distance, use cr. fp to knock him out of it or cr. roundhouse as he lands. You can also use EX Tatsu, Shin-Sho, or Denjin to punish while he is in mid-flight.
-his cr. mk, most of the times he will want to walk up and use an option select hado
-it’s possible to reverse wake up srks but the timing is a little tricky, but it’s doable
-he has a fast cr. roundhouse

Ryu Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Ryu Match up videos:

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Rufus:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Rufus_(SSFIV)

Rufus can apply an absurd amount of pressure, so know your Messiah Kick mix ups on reaction and you should be fine.

-Messiah Kick > LK follow up- Block Low Very Punishable -18 Frame Advantage (counter not reliable)
-Messiah Kick > MK follow up - Block Low 0 Frame Advantage
-Messiah Kick > HK follow up - Block High -1 Frame Advantage

You can also Kongo all attacks in between Frames on reaction after the 1st Messiah kick except the lk follow up… wait to punish.

If he’s up close Beware of the Grab, or the rolling kick that hit’s low as well.

You can also counter the dive kick on reaction, or just FA if he is airborn.

Galatic tornado also breaks Armor so beware… it is also -1 on block which means if you better be picky about how you choose to punish.

You CAN beat the Galactic Tornado>Messiah Kick block string by netrual jumping and counter hitting the following (you can also counter with EX HK but that is very risky) or you can block it to try to tech the following tick throw or KONGO the follow up.

A well timed cr. HP can beat the dive kick if he is in far range, with st. mp you will trade hits. If he’s up close just either block or counter… and go from there.

Move back and forward (including back dash) to be at proper range to hit him of of dive kick.

He has no fireball, but EX Galatic Tornado can cancel Fireballs. Since he has no fireball, zoning him would be a great strategy… just beware of the safe dive kicks.

Most of the Rufus’ I’ve dealt with have been all high pressure, so I just threw them alot and used fireball traps.

From what I can tell, the demon flip mix-up/loop and the meaty dive kick is pretty effective as well.

EX Messiah is very tough up close.

His U2 works great against fireballs, cross ups, and jump ins. It’s pretty much an all purpose Ultra.

i think that is right on.
if the rufus does not deal with mp fireball well, he is a free win.
dont bother with hp fireball, it is practically impossible for rufus to get over mp fireball with his massive hitbox.
mp fireball hit rufus in the face during galactic tornado and his rolly polly low kick.
it also hits him from about midscreen if he is standing.
every time you get the chance, throw mp fireball.
if you want to let him know that he might be able to jump, throw an lp fireball once in a while, it will give him hope.
hope = damage.
if he gets inside, just treat him like a weak zangief and get away.
random high counters are pretty good against his inside game and wreck that horrible habit of galactic tornado > ex jesus kick.
dont try to punish galactic tornado.
block, kongo or jump afterward.
i think the rufus has to be very good to make this fight competitive and even a good rufus will have a problem with gouken’s simple plan.

I find FB spam the most effective against Rufus (already covered, I know). Couple of notes on that:

Any Galactic Tornado eats through horizontal FBs, during the spin and when the final palm strike comes out (this is great for Rufus against say Ryu/Ken). Each GT has the property of holding a direction after the move to extend/stall the forward motion (i.e. if they hold toward you, the GT goes further to you, if they hold back, Rufus stays in place spinning). With that, each punch level goes further. If the Rufus decides to sit still and absorb a LP FB, a rushing palm works quite well to punish the recovery. Also, if you charge up the 2x hit, Rufus stops spinning

MP FB pegs any GT from any distance, no need to even charge up the 2x (same goes for HP FB when up really close). And like others have mentioned, abuse this version because it pegs the roll and most jump-in opportunities.

Other notes:

Smart Rufus players will learn quickly to pace themselves like Zangief to get in. So they’ll try to jump in when they think you’ll toss a LP FB. For those who see your MP FB tosses, they’ll kick back and bust the “Nacho Grab” - his extremely long c.HP. The Nacho goes under both MP (and naturally) HP FBs to peg you. For this, they’re hoping you’ll go to tossing LP FBs so they can get airborne and close to you. This is where you’ll have to play the “Gouken Fireball Mindgame Special” and lob a bunch of LP FBs to either peg/block-peck him for a bit and toss the MP/HP FB when he decides to jump.

If you get used to the match, you’ll find that Rufus’ jump is kind of “floaty”. So in some cases, you don’t have to toss out the psychic MP/HP FBs immediately between spam strings. Why not? Personally, I’ve found that a little wait n bait works quite well in getting Rufus to jump toward me, then I can toss the HP FB when Rufus just starts to jump. By the time my FB releases, Rufus is close enough to me for easy palm rush combo follow-up.

*edit: Besides the wait n bait method, I’ve found that charging up the MP for a quick moment is good at messing with the opponent’s head.

Last bit, be very careful when Rufus is about mid-screen and closer and has at least one EX bar. EX Messiah will go through FBs. And once Rufus gets in, that can be a troublesome.

I know why strong punch Gou-Hadoken is so good… Rufus has big hit-box disease syndrome. LOL!

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Here is a vid of me fighting online at my friends house. I know we are talking about rufus, but I want people to tell me where my over all game can improve.
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Rufus Character Specific Option Selects:

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Dealing with reversal EX Messiah Kick

Like a lot of characters, Gouken can time a meaty jab on Rufus’ wakeup and recover in time to block reversal EX Messiah Kick. This too can be option selected for when your opponent knows that you can time it meaty and they try to avoid it.

From a knockdown…

Walkup > cr.Jab ~ Jab Senkugoshoha/cr.roundhouse

You can do either in this scenario. Admittedly, you don’t want to playing an up-close game with Rufus, but for those times when you land that knockdown and they’re itching to get some damage in, it’s a safe way to bait and punish if he does actually reversal and also to punish backdash.

Gouken vs. Rufus Match up videos:

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Sagat:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Sagat_(SSFIV)

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

in the matchup thread is where you will find advice on sagat, but since i am here i will lay down my approach to sagat. first off, goukens fireball recovery is not that slow, in fact its either a little faster or as fast as ryus. Startup on the other hand… but anyway i like to see what Sagat does when the match starts, which helps me figure out what kind of sagat im going to be fighting. If sagat jumps backawards or makes anymovement away from me im going to be playing a non-aggressive to medium aggressive sagat, these ones i like. If he comes forward to me he is going to be more aggressive, which i dont like so much. This method works for me 85-90% of the time for identifying my sagat type.

For the non aggressive ones, as he backs up i throw a fireball at him then dash forward, usually they continue to go backwards and i keep up this pattern. They run out of room real quick, then usually come to me or play even more defensive. next i like to stay just a little out of his standing hk range at all times, from this distance the recovery from his tiger shots is not so safe and i when i throw fbs he tends to jump in cause it looks safe and i punish with parry or c.fp. i am constantly resetting this distance between us, he walks forward i take a step back, he walks back i take a step forward. also from this distance you are pretty much out of his Tiger knee range, unless he wants to throw out a HK one, which if he does you can punish the hell out of it. if you end up full screen from him, dont get into a fireball war with him, he can slip those damn ex ones in there and if you arent ready for em, they will hit you. also, do not do ex flip from full screen away if he throws a tiger shot, it may not look it, but he will recover and can punish you. If you want to do ex flip you need to be psychic from that distance. As for demon flip grab, i use this on sagat with pretty good results, mainly when i get psychic with the fireballs, but also from a standing or crouching fp.

Aggressive sagats are a problem for me. They tend to abuse the hell out of the TK block strings which i have yet to find a reliable answer for. they tend to push me to the corner and thats where it all falls apart for me. Parry is fine for those blockstrings, but if they anticipate your parry and wait, you are screwed. ex tatsu works too cause sagat is so big, but if you dont have 3 bars, it is EXTREMELY unsafe cause you can not FADC out if he blocks it. for these sagats i try to still keep that discance i mentioned and i also try to not get put in the corner.

in general, from the close distance i mentioned, you can kind of keep up with sagat a bit in the fireball game, and even beat him here and there. Keep an eye on his ex stocks, cuase he can easily slip those in there, score a knockdown and get in your face, which is a big problem. dont be afraid to slip in air fireballs when you are in that range, especially when you have sagat in the corner. if you are afraid of they might throw fb instead of jump, mix in your ex FB to be on the safe side. dont forget that if you get him in a block string you can cancel into demon flip. chances are you can land a grab or dive kick before he starts to keep an eye out for that stuff.

so thats pretty much how i try to handle sagats. Its not everything i do, cuase most of it is situational, but thats my general approach. Its served me pretty well. I dont win everytime, but i win a lot of the time. the one time my strategy did not work pretty much at all was when i played scunscun on live. he was just Very knowledgeable with sagat, abused the hell out of TK’s and just really curb stomped my ass. I did beat him a few times, but overall the outcome was not in my favor. im really looking for a reliable answer to TK cause that shit is a BIG problem. hope this helps you. lata.

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

I generally do not have issues with fighting Sagat. I rather enjoy it, but a lot of it is because I main him and second Gouken.

Try and figure out how much TK he does since this will kill you. Gouken has almost no answer for the TK so all you can do is block it and try not to get caught in it. It stops almost everything the old guy has.

Because Sagat has such good TS, you need to watch those and the frequency the Sagat player puts em out. Gouken has a fast FB, and can even gain ground on Sagat. Hard to believe but true. Try and get him in a FB fight and note whether or not Sagat will give up and try to jump it, in which case, you do a medium or fierce FB and you got him. If he persists with the duel, go for a demon foot slide and take his feet out.

Watch for

• empty jumps
• TK
• TK to upper cut
• TK to throw

Those are the best weapons against Gouken, and as a Sagat player, that is what I use to beat Gouken. So watch for these and note the fighters pattern to bait TK and TU and throw whenever possible. Also do cross ups when you can as all of Sagat’s moves normally move forward, but watch that TU since it redirects for cross ups.

Good Luck.

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

there are not enough good sagats that do the tk rush in g1!
most of the strong sagats i play against have a fairly balanced game.
the one thing you can be thankful of vs sagat is his horrible walk speed.
he is not cammy when it comes to throwing your gouken.
kongoshin is very good for disrupting his tk setup from what i have noticed.
block the tk and watch how he sets up the next.
if he favors c.lk, use the kick counter after blocking a tk.
this will probably take some of the heat off, or he may switch to c.lp.
blocking 2-3 tk’s to set up a kongoshin is not too bad.
a good neutral jump can punish tk at its safe range with j.hp > c.hp xx ex palm.
i tend to alternate between block, kongoshin and neutral jump against most pressure.
kongoshin gives you a whole screen to work with, so you should get comfortable playing at long range vs sagat.
the fireball game is not bad for gouken at all.
first off, sagat has a very small frame advantage if he tosses high tigers, 39 frames vs 41 for gouken.
if he shoots low tigers, gouken has the advantage at 44 vs 41.
feel free to exchange fb’s with sagat for the entire match.
secondly, if he tries to pound out a 2 frame advantage with high tiger, so what?
sagat’s best threat from long range is ex ts knock down comboing into low ts.
gouken’s best threat from long range is a full ex demon flip combo.
play patiently and go for the big score out of the fireball matchup imo.
demon flip throw is a great tool as well.
sagat is often forced to block high because of his uppercut properties and his height.
that is raw meat for a demon flip throw.
mix in some demon flip parries once you get ultra then back throw ftw.

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

I use his c.mk to kill his flying elbow. They tend to get confused after you beat it clean a few times and resort to fireball zoning. A few random EX demon flip grabs will throw that game off too. It’s usually a long-drawn out fight with whoever has the best mindgame.

Have you guys ever been successful in FADC’ing a Palm Strike against TU mashers?

I love how his tiger knee is generally safe on block but Gouken’s Senku is beaten too easily :’( </sarcasm>

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

You guys are missing the point here. Yes, cr.LK combos into tatsu, and if you want to buffer tatsu after cr.LK, go ahead (if you do it right, it will only come out on hit). You don’t have to worry about being “baited” into doing a tatsu.

Secondly, your cr.LK should ALSO whiff on Sagat, which means you can then land crouching fierce into pain train (at the very least, a throw). Sometimes it may not, but then you can buffer tatsu; if cr.LK hits, you get the combo, and if not, nothing comes out and you can cr.HP into combo. I’d make a video, but I don’t have the means to do so. It’s very easily reproduced in training mode.

You can do this at midrange when playing footsies with Sagat, as sort of a “psychic”, fairly low risk tiger knee counter. At the very least, you can threaten with it and try to remove tiger knee from his game. And if he’s abusing you with normal xx tiger knee chains, you can do this inbetween the normal and the tiger knee as a guaranteed punish.

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

There is alot of good stuff here. But some bad stuff.

Vs zoning Sagat, Gouken will do ok.

Vs aggro Sagat, Gouken will have problems.

Do use low short to duck under TK’s if you think it’s coming then grab or combo. During footsies your sweep is a good tool. Fast with decent range and since Sagat’s best pokes are standing pokes his legs are wide open. Sweep that shit niggas. On wake-up mix-up between block, backdash and ex tatsu. Throw in the OCCASIONAL kongo depending on your opponent’s patterns. ALWAYS be ready to OS tech during block strings because a kongo is grab bait. Sagat’s that know that will want to mix in more grabs.

You will be sitting on block alot vs aggro Sagat. I suggest you get real comfortable with it really quickly.

Palms are risky. Blocked palm is free TU on block, unless perfectly spaced and even then stand short is free since it’s -6. BE CAREFUL DAMMIT. Demon flips are also somewhat risky since Sagat just jump back rh or do a tk and usually come out on top or at least not put him self at risk. Once again, be careful.

Back to close range. If you get cornered…don’t get cornered seriously. Shit gets ugly when Gouken gets cornered. As far as footsies go Sagat comes out on top for the most part. Gouken has less range cept for low short which doesn’t have enough damage to scare Sagat off. Sagat wins overall in damage and range. Also Gouken loses his FA in this match as well which sucks.

You really just have to be patient and get in Sagat’s head. Go for a reset if you get the chance and try for the big damage and stun. The biggest problem is TK. Gouken doesn’t really have a good answer to this. Even low short is just a guess.

Also ex demon flip on wake-up may be more viable vs Sagat since Sagat is so tall.

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

• Learn to c.lk tiger knee on reaction. This will change your game substantially.

• Avoid jumping in - make Sagat come to you. Cleanly AA all attempts to jump in and if possible confuse his jump-in attempts by neutral jumping and using hp to meet him in the air.

• c.lk causes that irritating playboy pose jumping mp attack of his to whiff. Back toss.

• Don’t extend fireball wars as you’ll lose. Only Akuma tangos with Sagat’s fireballs. Instead, cut fireball wars short with a sneaky mp palm (spacing critical) through a tiger shot to keep the bastard honest.

• Demon flip parry actually has good uses against Sagat. Don’t get too cocky with it, but use it to soak up an upper cut PROVIDED you punish hard afterwards.

• Remember to block and keep your teching in check

• Once Sagat obtains two EX bars, expect the tempo to change with him fishing for seemingly random Tiger uppercuts. Its in Sagat’s interest to land an uppercut and borderline random attempts backed with two stocks to cancel into Ultra or OUT of uppercut if you block will become high on his agenda. Keep this in mind. A two bar stocked Sagat gets mad with power. Respect the options it presents.

• Remember that your hitbox is large EVEN when crouch blocking. This means that Gouken has difficulty dealing with Tiger knee lock downs - particularly in the corner. Be patient. Block and wait for a sensible opening or counter with a well placed EX tatsu, EX flip to his other side, c.lk to invoke whiffing (then throw) or just plain wait for him to do something silly. EX counter can be a life saver if he gives you space but gets poke heavy but can be a liability as usual. Ideally, you don’t want to guess against Sagat too often.

• Focus on a zoning game almost exclusively and make sure your punish game is on point. Throwing during a punish opportunity is a reaction you need to drop in favour of s.hp > EX/palm ALWAYS.

• Unless you’re going to take the round, avoid tatsu follow-ups to ex palm. mp or hp palm follow-up to maintain momentum and also be on your feet long before Sagat to continue pressure. The tatsu nullifies all momentum and advantage and essentially resets things back to zero.

Gouken vs. Sagat: How do you beat him?

Sagat is a beast, we all know this.

1a. My “best” distance against Sagat is roughly 3/4 screen. At full screen, even the EX demon flip isn’t fast enough NOT to be punished. Sagat’s recovery is so annoyingly fast.
1b. Full screen distance is an ok position to keep Sagat, just make sure to predict his EX tiger shots so you aren’t trading.
2. Demon flip = a difficult thing against Sagat. Sagat’s HK will hit it (make sure to mix up parry vs. sweep), ultra will hit it and tiger knee will do big punish. Basically, I don’t use demon flip all that much against Sagat other than to edge just a hair closer.
3. Better Sagats know the distance for Tiger Knee – it’ll be their BnB attack up close. Know when you can hit against it and when you can’t (when he uses EX, prep to block again and/or grab counter).
4. Get better at palm prediction. This is good against all shotos, but I find it more needed against Sagat.
5. When Sagat pushes you into the corner, do NOT kongo – they will punish with tiger knee. Instead, work on FA into BnB for escape. Trying to get out with flips/jumps will also be heavily punished.
6. PECK PECK PECK! What Sagat lacks is a speedy pecking game and Gouken actually has an advantage here (barely)! I’m not afraid to stick within pecking distance to toss out a MP/MK, HP/HK vs. a fireball war. Be a bit careful, if you do NOT have the timing down for the complete (or near complete) peck string, you WILL eat a spammy HP tiger uppercut.

Naturally, YMMV. Sagat is one of my favorite matches because I tend to fight a lot of cocky ones that think Gouken is a push over match.

Sagat Character Specific Option Selects:

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Sagat Wakeup

He’s got a 5 frame uppercut, so the same timing as Fei Long applies. The good thing though is that you can use sweep instead of cr.fierce as Sagat only has the uppercut, and his backdash is sweep punishable.

Usual throw/sweep setup…

Dash > Forward Hyakki Shu > Hyakki Goujin ~ cr.Roundhouse/Jab Senkugoshoha > cr.fierce xx Jab Gouhadouken

It’s probably the most basic of the option selects. It’s definitely Gouken’s only way of applying close up pressure against Sagat that he has no real answer for. The blockstring pushes Sagat back out to a comfortable range if he blocks, and sets up a long range game again for Gouken.

Dealing with reversal EX Messiah Kick

Like a lot of characters, Gouken can time a meaty jab on Rufus’ wakeup and recover in time to block reversal EX Messiah Kick. This too can be option selected for when your opponent knows that you can time it meaty and they try to avoid it.

From a knockdown…

Walkup > cr.Jab ~ Jab Senkugoshoha/cr.roundhouse

You can do either in this scenario. Admittedly, you don’t want to playing an up-close game with Rufus, but for those times when you land that knockdown and they’re itching to get some damage in, it’s a safe way to bait and punish if he does actually reversal and also to punish backdash.
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Gouken vs. Sagat Match up videos:

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Sakura:

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-zone her- if she has an EX meter, bait her to jump full screen and then punish her (her EX verison goes through fireballs)
-Most of his mix ups come from her tatsu
-cross her up
-watch for instant overhead jump back kick
-her tatsu has armor break
-kongo her (her tatsu is her only armor break move)
-cr. fp is good for AA
-she has weak wake up, safe jump her
-if you block her srk, max punish her
-she can’t beat Gouken in a fireball war
-if she starts mixing it up, pay attention to which side she dashes to, most of the time a crouching and option select teching will get you out of the jam
-her jump in kick sometimes will beat Gouken out or trade, I may have been timing it wrong
-almost all of her mix ups, come from her tatsu
-if she does the full screen jump EX Tatsu her, or use a well timed j. mp
-her fireball is slow

Sakura Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Sakura Match up videos:

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Seth:

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-There ARE windows to beat the reversal srk, get in training mode, get creative and learn them and hold them close. You can either attack the frames after invincibility wears off and stuff it, or you can faux-safe jump it and bait/punish the reversal. I may post a vid about this in the future.
-He has all of the tools except stamina (Damn you Dudley…)
-his tatsu like move has armor break
-jump away from his spd
-be very patient 2 mistakes means that the match is over
-control the skies with hado and cr. fp
-kongo his headstomps and wall jumps (he can empty jump and punish you for guessing wrong, some times I just block to get him close by)
-if you can force him to block a fireball- EX GF over there and rush him
-he can stun you very easily
-kongo, block, or focus attack his arms
-he can sonic boom > teleport behind you. if you kongo the sonic boom, he will get hit too
-aside from stamina, he really has no weaknesses so you just have to wait for openings and opportunities to make him make mistakes

Seth:

• His sonic boom has very slow recovery, his EX is even slower.
• Try to stay on the ground, his j.mp will lead to a combo followed by mixups.
• If you get him on the defensive, watch for the teleport. It is fairly easy to punish now.
• Be mindful that he cannot Ultra1 while he has a sonic boom on screen.
• Ultra2 does a ton of chip damage and Gouken cannot escape it if activated beside you.
• If you get hit with Ultra1, watch for the lp sonic boom teleport behind. Getting hit will result in a BnB.

Seth Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Seth Match up videos:

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T-Hawk

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/T.hawk_(SSFIV)

-Condor Dive- if blocked leads to a cr. roundhouse or cr. fp > bnb. I haven’t tried landing a raw EX Palm but it should work.
-Cr. FP is a great AA- just beware of condor dive
-Denjin destroy’s Condor Dive- Shin Sho often trades
-Has a hard time dealing with hados if you mix them up well

Against T.Hawk, always use MP Hado for zoning. Since Hawk is tall, it can hit him standing, and it pretty much shuts down his attempts to Dive. On a blocked dive, use HP Palm or walk-up HK Tatsu to send him across the screen and continue your zoning. Be careful of Hados within 2 character spaces if Hawk has Meter, as he can EX Spire through it leading to a Typhoon on whiff, or mixups on hit since EX Spire knocks down. Be VERY conservative with wake-up Kongo to get out of Cross-up Splash setups, because if Hawk decides to go for his air d+MP fake out (this move can only hit air-to-air) you’ll be eating another Typhoon or a cs.MP > HP Tomahawk combo, which deals 250 damage! The latter also leaves him right next to you, so he’ll probably go for that over LP Typhoon.

Well, that’s general T.Hawk info, I know how this match can go since I Sub him.

Other than using MP fireball to keep him away, some T-Hawk will just Focus Attack to build meter and slowly walk near Gouken. If the player like to do this, once a while mix up the attack with slide palm or Gouken flip sweep. This will ensure T-Hawk stay at the comfortable distant from Gouken, and reduce some of his vitality at the same time… Just need to be careful in reading what your opponent gonna do to close in, so far I have positive results in this, and T-Hawk cant do anything about it…

When he closes in, well run away is the way to go. Air Tatsu is a good tool to run away.

T.Hawk Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. T.Hawk Match up videos:

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Vega (Claw):

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-Kongo his wall dives, except the EX horizontal one. He can grab you from walk dive but you can beat with jump back fierce p/k.
-cross him up
-weak wake up (his EX Backflip is good though)
-he will attempt to grab you after a blocked mercury kick
-block and be ready to tech when close
-his cr. mp. This is safe on block for him so a alot Vega’s spam it. either block it, use kongo, focus absorb and dash out.
-neutral jump works pretty good when he doesn’t have a charge
-neutral jump > max punish his whiffed rolling attack
-be patient, he needs to come over there sooner or later
-he has a kara grab
-U2 must be blocked low
-he has an air throw

Vega Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Vega Match up videos:

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Zangief:

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http://www.shoryuken.com/wiki/index.php/Zangief_(SSFIV)

-cr. fp works well as anti air and it keeps him at bay pretty good
-use mp hado to zone him
-green hand is punishable by cr. fp on block, you can also neutral jump > max punish
-lariat doesn’t hit low after the 1st hit, neutral jump can also land you a max punish or > cr. roundhouse
-if you jump in on him be ready to GTFO b/c of his SPD, either jump away or use EX Gouken Flip and point blank range
-make sure you jump ins register deep, or he can reverse you with command grab
-U1 jump away from it, if he lariats you it’s the lesser of 2 evils and you can quick stand
-zone him
-if he lariats at full screen to evade a fb, follow up with a EX GF dive kick combo or use the slide to sweep him and GTFO
-GF Grab beats lariat
-EX Hand can be punished with back throw > ???

vs. Zangief

While this isn’t a total answer, what I’ve found to be helpful to counter that close range lariat is to use MP fireballs, since his head is still vulnerable. I’m still figuring out what to do from there

For Gief: c.HP hits him out of lariats cleanly from max range. Basically, MP fireball to keep him at bay…he tries to lariat, c.HP him.

That’s what I’ve found effective…

Zangief Character Specific Option Selects:

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Gouken vs. Zangief Match Up Videos:

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[Imm0rt4l]

Much props for this man!

[Snarky]

good shit. mad props.

[Orion609]

Can we get a moderator to sticky this please. Awesome work Iam superb.

[iamthatiam]

Much props for this man!

good shit. mad props.

Can we get a moderator to sticky this please. Awesome work Iam superb.

Thanks guys.

I will try to update this as fast as possible. I think we may want to attack the new character list first, since everyone should be somewhat experienced against the characters that transitioned from vanilla. I should have Nevillebamshew’s option selects added today and hopefully Raun will start posting 10 game sets again so we can have some video with commentary.

If any one has any good videos or rules of thumb regarding the match ups please post them so I can include.

[Twin_Rhapsody]

Against T.Hawk, always use MP Hado for zoning. Since Hawk is tall, it can hit him standing, and it pretty much shuts down his attempts to Dive. On a blocked dive, use HP Palm or walk-up HK Tatsu to send him across the screen and continue your zoning. Be careful of Hados within 2 character spaces if Hawk has Meter, as he can EX Spire through it leading to a Typhoon on whiff, or mixups on hit since EX Spire knocks down. Be VERY conservative with wake-up Kongo to get out of Cross-up Splash setups, because if Hawk decides to go for his air d+MP fake out (this move can only hit air-to-air) you’ll be eating another Typhoon or a cs.MP > HP Tomahawk combo, which deals 250 damage! The latter also leaves him right next to you, so he’ll probably go for that over LP Typhoon.

Well, that’s general T.Hawk info, I know how this match can go since I Sub him.

[iamthatiam]

Against T.Hawk, always use MP Hado for zoning. Since Hawk is tall, it can hit him standing, and it pretty much shuts down his attempts to Dive. On a blocked dive, use HP Palm or walk-up HK Tatsu to send him across the screen and continue your zoning. Be careful of Hados within 2 character spaces if Hawk has Meter, as he can EX Spire through it leading to a Typhoon on whiff, or mixups on hit since EX Spire knocks down. Be VERY conservative with wake-up Kongo to get out of Cross-up Splash setups, because if Hawk decides to go for his air d+MP fake out (this move can only hit air-to-air) you’ll be eating another Typhoon or a cs.MP > HP Tomahawk combo, which deals 250 damage! The latter also leaves him right next to you, so he’ll probably go for that over LP Typhoon.

Well, that’s general T.Hawk info, I know how this match can go since I Sub him.

Thanks for the help!! Added.

[iamthatiam]

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Someone is probably going to have to email a mod with the link so they can sticky it and close out the other one, I guess it will be easier to do once this is updated to everyone’s liking, so it can eliminate any confusion.

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[darkknight1078]

about the juri matchup

ok, I figure I can gives this a try, I mean I want to help as well.

This match is not hard at all.
-Juri is a rush character be patient and time her attacks with Kongo
-you can Kongo her Senpusha (spinning wheelkick) even the ex version, or cr. roundhouse when blocked.
-her dive kick is her breaker, max punish on all version if blocked, or shisho if you can react to it.
-she cant win a fb fight with Gouken plus you can palm through her projectiles.
-mp and fp FB are prefer against Juri keep her from using her dive kick. lp version only to bait dive kick then go for max punish, but I would not recommend it, she comes down pretty fast off that dive kick, remember that the ex can wall bounce you into ultra 2 so keep that in mind when playing Juri.
-Her air-to-air is mp which she can combo into her ex dive kick. She can also use this to mixup her crossup game in the corner since it will not cross you in the corner, cr. fp or kongo should do the trick.
-palm breaks her counter. Juri likes to use her counter against projectile chracters to get in close and then they use cr.mk into senpusha, I usually stay a mid screen, if you notice they do this, bait it and when they go for counter, be ready with an ex or low kongo, or trick them into thinking you are about to go for projectile and deliver a palm into her counter for a nice surprise.
-low life, (for those Denji users have fun with her 950lf.)

That pretty much what I found against her, for the most part her ground pressure is not that difficult to read, she tends to start her combos from cr. lk, or cr. mk into senpusha, a random low kongo should shut this down. Her only good wake up is her ex senpusha, without any meter her wake up game goes to shit, so mixup all day. Hope this helped.

[real_devastator]

Against T.Hawk, always use MP Hado for zoning. Since Hawk is tall, it can hit him standing, and it pretty much shuts down his attempts to Dive. On a blocked dive, use HP Palm or walk-up HK Tatsu to send him across the screen and continue your zoning. Be careful of Hados within 2 character spaces if Hawk has Meter, as he can EX Spire through it leading to a Typhoon on whiff, or mixups on hit since EX Spire knocks down. Be VERY conservative with wake-up Kongo to get out of Cross-up Splash setups, because if Hawk decides to go for his air d+MP fake out (this move can only hit air-to-air) you’ll be eating another Typhoon or a cs.MP > HP Tomahawk combo, which deals 250 damage! The latter also leaves him right next to you, so he’ll probably go for that over LP Typhoon.

Well, that’s general T.Hawk info, I know how this match can go since I Sub him.

Other than using MP fireball to keep him away, some T-Hawk will just Focus Attack to build meter and slowly walk near Gouken. If the player like to do this, once a while mix up the attack with slide palm or Gouken flip sweep. This will ensure T-Hawk stay at the comfortable distant from Gouken, and reduce some of his vitality at the same time… Just need to be careful in reading what your opponent gonna do to close in, so far I have positive results in this, and T-Hawk cant do anything about it…

When he closes in, well run away is the way to go. Air Tatsu is a good tool to run away.

[iamthatiam]

ok, I figure I can gives this a try, I mean I want to help as well.

This match is not hard at all.
-Juri is a rush character be patient and time her attacks with Kongo
-you can Kongo her Senpusha (spinning wheelkick) even the ex version, or cr. roundhouse when blocked.
-her dive kick is her breaker, max punish on all version if blocked, or shisho if you can react to it.
-she cant win a fb fight with Gouken plus you can palm through her projectiles.
-mp and fp FB are prefer against Juri keep her from using her dive kick. lp version only to bait dive kick then go for max punish, but I would not recommend it, she comes down pretty fast off that dive kick, remember that the ex can wall bounce you into ultra 2 so keep that in mind when playing Juri.
-Her air-to-air is mp which she can combo into her ex dive kick. She can also use this to mixup her crossup game in the corner since it will not cross you in the corner, cr. fp or kongo should do the trick.
-palm breaks her counter. Juri likes to use her counter against projectile chracters to get in close and then they use cr.mk into senpusha, I usually stay a mid screen, if you notice they do this, bait it and when they go for counter, be ready with an ex or low kongo, or trick them into thinking you are about to go for projectile and deliver a palm into her counter for a nice surprise.
-low life, (for those Denji users have fun with her 950lf.)

That pretty much what I found against her, for the most part her ground pressure is not that difficult to read, she tends to start her combos from cr. lk, or cr. mk into senpusha, a random low kongo should shut this down. Her only good wake up is her ex senpusha, without any meter her wake up game goes to shit, so mixup all day. Hope this helped.

Other than using MP fireball to keep him away, some T-Hawk will just Focus Attack to build meter and slowly walk near Gouken. If the player like to do this, once a while mix up the attack with slide palm or Gouken flip sweep. This will ensure T-Hawk stay at the comfortable distant from Gouken, and reduce some of his vitality at the same time… Just need to be careful in reading what your opponent gonna do to close in, so far I have positive results in this, and T-Hawk cant do anything about it…

When he closes in, well run away is the way to go. Air Tatsu is a good tool to run away.

Both added in… thanks for the input.

[Sosage]

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