ok '08 member…
fuck u catchacock and gayion and allofagus and queerhadouken and i havent played sf4 yet dummy
Must be more than 3 involved, because I didn’t either.
…at least not until he bitched about it.
My point about creating personalities and a narrative to interest people outside of the players was mostly in reference to this post, especially the bit about Rockefella vids. Again, I’m not saying this sort of approach will succeed, just that it has the potential to.
I wonder how this thread would’ve looked before Devastation. :razz:
lol. i don’t fight on srk anymore. i found it stupid a long time ago.
and, yeah, i’m sure the hate against Gootecks might be a bit unwarranted, but people need to remember that he has a VOICE (which is okay of course). Now, what if G4tv invited him to E3 or whatever and he got on his soapbox and said what he did in this interview? Best to be vocal about it now, so that in the future, he’ll remember and say something positive… not negative. And nothing is wrong with making money, but don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
What Gootecks is trying to do is going to be an almost impossible task… bringing Fighting games mainstream…
ANYONE who does not understand what fighting games are will never pay to watch top players play… Fighting Games will probably not get to that point yet… Fighting games are way too difficult to learn deeply… Biggest, best example is noobs posting comments like, “Fireball fireball fireball…”… that by itself tells you how the mainstream sees fighting games… it’s fucken boring to the mainstream (aka typical audience)… ‘fireball fireball fireball’… which in high level play, is what 99% of what happens…
It will have to take people to actually play at a little bit higher level to understand what’s going on on the screen… When fighting games is a clear picture in which people actually knows whats going onto the screen, **THAT ** will singlehandedly bring fighting games on a mainstream level… NOT GOOTECKS
Same.
As annoying as DG is he’s doing more for his community than Goootecks.
Lol.
My, oh my.
Troll posts troll posts.
How dreadfully original.
If you haven’t played SF4 yet, why are you here?
So much hatred…
It’s not my fault your dental floss tastes like gootecks.
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you guys are too easy…
It’s your mad sexy phermones - what can we say? 
Do you think those hoards of Koreans sitting in the crowds for Starcraft qualifiers understand the game as deeply as the average competitor? Probably not? Especially not the pre-teens holding up signs confessing their love to Boxer or Bisu or whoever hey.
You make the analogy about fireball wars appear boring, but what about build orders… tell me why a crowd would find probe economy management interesting? It’s all in the commentary and by extension the crowds. They don’t need to go into extensive detail about frame data or whatever, but if the audience has a general feel for how the match is flowing and why the commentators are excited, then that is they have achieved what they set out to do.
The only fundamental difference between Korea and the US is the geek stigma with pro gaming (which I believe has marketed itself quite poorly). Enter people like Gootecks that want to give it a shot.
That’s true for any video game though. I can’t watch high level Madden play even though I love football. I just don’t know the video game so seeing something on there that would be impressive to people that know the game really means nothing to me. Same with watching FPS, real time strategy, or whatever else they put on tv. To someone that’s not already in the scene it really just isn’t that interesting to watch video games being played by someone else.
Much less SF4, eh Sazae?
Perfect example, right here:
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OK, and is this necessarily a good thing? Is “big money” and a bunch of ignorant spectators really worth it? No question that the tournies are about the money but they’re also about testing the waters and seeing how far you’ve advanced. You can’t make a decent income playing fighting games and I think that’s important: it keeps people down to earth.
Maybe I’m being a little too idealistic but to me the fighting game crowd is a big group of people enjoying a hobby and maybe making a few extra bucks on the side from MM’s and tournies.
I think if there was any game that would attract casual spectators, it would be fighting games. I’m not sure if you guys remember the arcade days. But seriously someone could walk by and see people playing and get into the matches, and they would have no idea about the game. All of the flashy and advance stuff looks flashy and advance. I mean there is more strategy to the game, but to the naked eye, there is a lot of shit in a fighting game match that could grab someone’s attention.
Seriously, as someone who don’t know shit about FPS, I really would need someone to explain to me what’s going on. People see a fight, they don’t need any other explanation beyond someone is getting their ass kicked.
But I really do think knowledgeable commentators are really important for fighting games though. A match is telling a story and a struggle, and sometimes you need to bring that home to the fans.
That was horrible and I know what SFIV is. :tdown:
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Yeah, it’s totally worth it. Whether you like it or not, but FGs in their current form is akin to back alley cock fighting. I believe fighting games are really advance games with tactical and strategic elements to them. I don’t see why games like Halo or Quake can be legitimized and commercial, but a FGs can’t. I think FGs are a nice little chess match, except it’s a little more fun because it seems more dynamic, and it’s manifested in two people fighting on the screen. There is nothing wrong with people wanting to see their favorite genre become huge. There are definitely sacrifices that are made when something goes mainstream. However the community of FG fans is strong for corporate powers not to ruin our scene.
compare this to professional wrestling. I know it’s not real or anything. But before it became commercial, it was just a bunch of mean guys talking crap and fueding with Russians. When the WWF came and brought it national, it really looked more legitimate (around 85-89, it became cartoonish after '89). The industry wasn’t ruined, because many independent feds existed despite WWF global presence.
Things that go mainstream be it music, video games, or any art form always lose a bit of it’s potency when it goes mainstream for sure. But when a strong community existed before these things went mainstream, and hasn’t really hurt those things at all.
Look at what we have so far. Streams from live events, and we’re not even at Evo yet. The SBO qualifier was good stuff. As long as at least one commentator understands how the game works then I’m fine with it.
The main interest to me though is simply more attention = more people getting involved into the scene. Sure, the more people there are, the more douches end up on good sites like this, but I’d rather trade that and have more people coming to our ranbats every month. Perhaps if you live in a good area with lots of competition it’s not an issue, but I’d wager not a lot of people feel that way.
As far as the ‘big money’ issue goes, as long as the main tournament in the US is considered Evo, I wouldn’t worry about it. The great thing about it is that it has been around for a long time and it’s been grass roots all the way. It’s a solid foundation that other ‘esports’ don’t really have.
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I have to be honest, I’m starting to get why people think trolling is fun.
I pos repped you and took away one red bar. <3
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@ 3:41 in this video… is another HUGE reason why the casual audience will not understand and be bored to death…