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Dont people in mexico get lynched for saying bad things about KOF, just asking.
you get one free slip up… after that they just skip the lynching and take you out back and shoot you in the head… blame it on the drug war
Here’s the deal. Who does care about King of Fighters XII? The hardcore players. Everyone grew up on Street Fighter. Everyone knows Street Fighter. Gootecks is pushing Street Fighter, bringing it into the mainstream, and marketing it as the next legit e-sport. KoFXII will have it’s following, but everyone knows the KoFXII does not have the background or support that SF4 has.
people south of the boarder and in china care about kof…a lot
Good interview from Gootecks. If he wants to be more popular with the community, he needs to play more fighting games then just Street Fighter 4. He is holding him self back from other games.
I also don’t like how he said the tournament format doesn’t matter and that big names should play one another like in MMA or Boxing. Imagine if Street Fighter ever got to that level (it won’t) and how much politics would be involved in who actually fights who, who deserves to fight who and what not, instead of everyone getting their (kinda) equal shot at SF glory.
I’m not from there, so I didn’t know that. But Gootecks is in the US. Therefore, he doesn’t care much about KoFXII. We all know that SF4 will wipe the floor with KoFXII in the US.
Maybe not in Mexico or China, but definitely in the US.
The overall worldwide population of people that play KOF is bigger then the population that plays Street Fighter (although that remains to be seen with 12 because it caught on in 3rd world countries due to its cheap price point). In your first post you said that SF was the more popular game and you didn’t specify a country. It’s bigger worldwide, the US is pretty much the only country that plays SF more. I think it’s even more popular in Japan (although I don’t know for sure).
Bottom line, people do care about KOF 12.
Yeah Japan plays 2k2 (and 98) all day. Most places have more 2k2 machines than SF4 machines.
Also, there is way too much hate in this thread.
*Gootecks: The thing is, nobody cares about tournaments. When you look at professional wrestling or UFC MMA you don?t see tournaments, you see the big name players playing each other for high stakes. That?s what people want to see. If 500 people can come down to Pasadena to WATCH Street Fighter (Bar Fights) and not play, what does that say? To me with Evo coming up, I?m curious how the live streaming goes because they expect 50,000 people to watch. I kind of think that?s on the low side.
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This is so mind-numbingly horrible, I can’t even write it off as just passively dumb, this is potentially harmful to the growth of SF/fighting games in general. This is quickly turning into DSP part 2.
–Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com
I made a thread about that http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=196477
And yeah… if you go to the arcades, and say that KoF sucks in their faces while they’re playing, bad things can happen 
I like how that Ryu Ultra screencap is a beta version of Street Fighter 4. Ultra meters look kinda cool up there, and possibly a different EX system with an unsegmented bar?
can you elaborate on how they suck? cuz i seem to be having lots of fun with both games, and so do alot of ppl. are we in the wrong? you seem to know what you’re talking about with that bold statement.
Can you explain a little bit about what’s so horrible?
When he says “nobody cares about tournaments”, he’s not talking about the kind of people that come to SRK or even know who he is, but the more casual players/viewers. At least that’s what I took from it. I think he’s right that they would be far more interested in watching a match between Choi and Watson, two SF legends playing each other than watching match after match of Justin Wong squashing scrubs until finals.
I’m not quite sure how what he said would be potentially harmful to further growth.
This is the same trap that DSP fell into about 4-5 years ago.
The problem lies in the assumption that SF or any FG in general is some kind of a spectator sport and/or more specifically a spectator sport that non-gamers would enjoy. This is a flawed assumption and always has been as far as a western/US viewpoint is concerned. Fighting games/SF/video gaming in general is a participation sport. The vast majority of people who are interested in an event is because they have some connection to the game or connection to the players.
I think everyone agrees with this. So once you understand this, the efforts to reach outside the community have to be addressed in a certain way. In order to grow the scene, you can’t grow it from the top down, try and get people interested in something on a spectator level. You have to get people interested on a participation level. That’s why saying something like “nobody cares about tournaments” is completely ass backwards. Tournaments are the primary vehicle for advancing people from the casual/semi-casual level of fighting game fandom into a more dedicated/hardcore level. Encouraging participation and socialization helps to bring people into the community, not watching top player matchups. For people outside the community, a match between Choi and Watson is beyond meaningless unless something really cool happens. Daigo/Wong 3s at Evo a few years back is cool to people not because it was an important match with Justin doing better in 3s than any American had any right to. It’s cool to outsiders because the full parry looks really cool. People don’t look at that and say “wow, that’s a great match, I want to get into SF now”, they look at it and say "wow that was cool…hey look at that, a midget in a bikini in the related videos, I wanna see that!"
This is why saying something like “nobody cares about tournaments” is probably the absolute worst possible thing you could say and it needs to be called out. You have to understand what SF is, why the scene grows/shrinks, before trying to grow it.
–Jay Snyder
Viscant@aol.com
its clear the man wants to explore other outlets for getting SF4 into the mainstream…
he’s doing what he loves for a living if thats any indication as to where he’s coming from. it at least explains why he approaches sf4 with such passion. maybe he sees a potential beyond what we’ve had for the last 10-20 years…
we’ve been playing cvs, mvc2, 3s, and st for the last decade or so. capcom had planned on ceasing development on fighting games, remember? the scene was basically on life support since the mid nineties (if not for SRK, we wouldn’t be reading this here or playing SF4 most likely). the scene seems vital to us… all 82,349 of us, but that, on a grand scale really isnt much. with Blazblue, SF4, tekken6, and many other great games out, now is the time to make a move.
im impressed that gootecks is trying as hard as he is to follow his vision. he’s trying something new, and hey, even if the floor falls from underneath him at least he tried.
imo everyone else has been sitting by the way side passively waiting around for someone to take the entire scene to the next level, and well… here he is. straight up grassroots.
and he’s met with resisitance because of his opinions… he doesnt like kof12 and tekken… so? are you guys that sensitive? sure in the future tact may be more of an issue (nobody cares about tournaments is pretty bold), but just let the man work. its not like any of you are putting the time into getting SF4 the exposure we all wish it had. that, to me, is the big picture
Viscant speaks truth
yo, the truth. for reals, i just got back from vietnam. the arcades there, are all about kof. KoF is huge in vietnam, the people there know of street fighter, but over all, KoF is 100x bigger there than sf by far.
picture of the arcade in ho chi minh city.
sorry bro. if those fighting games your jam, then thats cool. i was just quoting NegroNinja @ page 2 in my own reasoning.