Ugh. Does this at all matter to the tournament, seriously? Anyways, tl dr for my reasoning, the game doesn’t make sense to me. I’m a competitor, but I compete at games that matter to me. SF4 doesn’t. I’ll give it credit that revitalized the tournament scene. Some of my many complaints are ridiculous option selects, inputs are too loose, auto correcting reversals, the sheer presence of ultra, the lack of anything resembling footsies unless you’re playing Ryu, how the game feels completely brain dead unless you’re playing at an extraordinary high level, and the sheer uselessness of some characters and options. I’m not saying that it can’t be a great game in the future, with newer iterations down the road, but as of right now, I’m not going to spend eight hours a day practicing linking two shorts over and over again just to “poke”.
DAMN ZOOB YOU SOUND PRETTY BUTTHURT.
Also, I myself could nitpick all those points apart and explain them. Mind you this is ME saying this. One of the most garbage players of SF4 in MA with the least amount of experience in the game can look at all of it and find out where the real reason for the great vocal dislike of the game is coming from. If it truly was a “I don’t like the game so I don’t play it. I play “****”” then this would not be an issue. Especially if you’re giving the game proper credit for being liked.
I say we all just end this discussion right now on a “agree to disagree” basis, because believe me, this will only end in tears.
^^ horrible.
one could easily critique tekken and make similarly shallow, broad, sweeping assertions on its mechanics and say stuff like, “hopkicks break the game,” “poking and footsies are useless since all you have to do is land a juggle,” “rage breaks the game.”
there is a REASON sf4 has “revitalized the tournament scene,” and i’ll give you a hint; it’s not only cause it’s new. ::cough:: BB ::cough:: ::cough KOF12 ::cough:: TVC::cough.
no one’s short x2 in this game requires 8 hrs of practice a day to become proficient at. and yep, just peeked at the frame data-- only linkable shorts with 0 frame slop window i could find was blanka… do you play blanka?
Did.
there is a REASON sf4 has “revitalized the tournament scene,” and i’ll give you a hint; it’s not only cause it’s new. ::cough:: BB ::cough:: ::cough KOF12 ::cough:: TVC::cough.
This. I may have come off as a curmudgeon asshole, but it’s really just because I’m tired of people talking about SF4 like it’s the second coming. It’s just become a pet peeve is all. Now that I’ve gotten it out of my system, let’s all have a good time looking forward to Saturday! And Tubsy, I’m not screaming at you or anything like that. Respect for a civil argument.
PS. Half of the two shorts comment was truth coming from a character standpoint and logos ad absurdem. It really did take me HOURS to get one basic bnb pokestring going.
ay yo…im really happy for ya’ll…and imma letcha finish, but heroes of newerth had the greatest gameplay of all time. ALL TIME.
WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
and truth.
turtles fuckin sucks and ST has way more fucked up things in it than sf4 does EAAAASY!!! tech a throw and still die, matchups that mean you automatically lose, waaaaay worse range fuck ups
and all i hear from gonzo about tf is that its just like hyper fighting. and ST killed hyper fighting so what does that say. and how do you figure there are no footsies in sf4? that is easily the dumbest thing ive heard all weekend.
shit me and gonzo talked at gu about why he didnt like sf4 and everything he brought up was just a problem in how he was playin, really it was how he was tacklin certain situations, and i tried to help him out.
and really just let these old games go. i play for competition and if the game has no competition whats the point of working hard to get what you think is good? like i said to gonzo you gonna play hard get to a tourney where more than 4 people REALLY play the game and lose everytime to people who have experience. shit its why i pretty much stopped playing 3S wall is my comp and he doesnt wanna play it cuz everybody is playin sf4 and not 3S so whats the point and i dont blame him.
Also,
Mr. Stevens and Mr. Ong if i go get war3 will you guys teach me how to protect newerth for a couple weeks before i give up?
ay yo that shit aint even war3 it has its own client. lol its in beta and playing is free right now.
in there like swimwear
ima holla on aim
This thread is sad.
Springfield is really thinking outside the box… and not in a good way. #41 is the worst post ever. I am just posting this one cause im bored. There is no hope…
What games out now are better than 4? HDR? Every game out has flaws… 3S, ST, Turtles (not even gonna get into that one). I’m sure i can find at least an equal number of flaw for all the SF4 “flaws” anybody can throw at me. Sure migrating to a game because its new is for the wrong reason but migrating because its new AND GOOD makes perfect sense to me.
The Oct. Arcadia magazine lists SF4 on the #6 spot while 3s in #10. If 3s has managed to hang onto top 10 for almost a decade i don’t really see how SF4 is barely “hanging in there”. It has plenty potential to stick around top 10 for a few years even without an upgrade.
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atleast tekken gives u 3/5 rounds cuz everybody knows you can get a round stolen to some dumb shit
but it is man. before sf4 fighters were really going down the shitter. along with tga dying without sf4 there wouldnt have been any scene left and the game is really fucking good
Sigh. Let’s just admit that I don’t like the game and carry on. Really. I tried it, hated it, didn’t enjoy the experience even when I won. I placed my critique on the table. I really just want to drop the subject. So, who is coming this Saturday?
i want to thank everybody for giving so many bumps:cool: if you guy’s wanna continue posting about the subject on the DM thread i would appreciate it. http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=205117
i could use more bumps in that thread as well. Get Hype niggas:woot:
Its over , we win. Next time if someone doesn’t want to argue/drop subject then don’t complain in the first place.
No.
Turtles doesn’t play like Hyper Fighting…:shake:
You guys are complaining about 4 for the wrong reasons, were on year 2 baby! New depth, developed matchups playing out even more, and FOOOTSIES. How sf4 doesn’t have footsies… that is one of the boldest claims I have heard in a while. People complaining about 4 remind me of year 1 cvs2 dropouts… then the game turned gdlk or people just will and still will never know because they were too intimidated by rc. Fools don’t know about wait cancel.
Will: ST killed Hyper Fighting because it was noobier and flashier (and new lol), Hyper Fighting is way better than ST. Don’t get it twisted though, Im not defending Turtles, I really don’t care about the game but apparently Gonzales does, so how he hypes it up is of no concern to me, true or not. Also Rage was just added in T6 so on the real let’s not compare SFIV to every Tekken game. I still prefer Tekken to at least SFIV (can’t say I prefer it to classic ST), but again I don’t dislike IV, and I don’t think it’s a matter of opinion on whether or not IV actually is the better of the new crop of games, because that’s obvious.
Corchado: While it is invariably true that SFIV is the best game out currently, being an overall good game is incredibly subjective, surely even you can admit that. Let’s not carry on this conversation pretending that while there are a handful of you coming in here to stand up for Street Fighter IV that there aren’t plenty of other heads who don’t exactly love the game. Why don’t you ask Gavin what he thinks? Again, my stance is that I enjoy playing the game overall, but coming into this thread for no reason other than to bully people who don’t share that sentiment into loving the game when that approach isn’t even necessary is a pointless endeavor. Let it go.
Chris: I am playing more IV, so there’s no concern there and I appreciate your reasons for pushing me towards playing it and understand them.
pancho, i respect your intelligence and the reasoning behind your arguments-- even if i feel your perspective is limited by factors beyond your control. i think you approach this discussion with an overly academic mindset though. this disallows you to appreciate the organic, less quantifiable elements of a “good fighting game” and the (at least if my memory serves correctly) peerless success of sf4 as such.
Before I take this further, I would need you to clearly define what it is you mean by “having a limited perspective as a result of factors outside of my control”.
the attitude and can-not-do spirit of your local competition
Well with due respect, I would say that even though Im relatively new to the 2D scene, I have been around enough for the past four years to reach worthwhile opinions on the games I have played based on the opinions of well known players I have had a chance to either talk with or whos opinions are well documented and known on SRK. I have been interchangably part of communites for Tekken, Guilty Ggear, Smash, ST and SFIV and have for brief periods talked with and or played with SC community, local competition notwithstanding. Again, this is just a clarification, and not in any way a call-out or a claim that I am skilled in the fighter or fighters in question, and I make such a clarification respectfully. As for your claim about the attitudes of my local competition, that is something they will have to respond to in their own time/words since that statement is pretty much directly adressed to them. I can’t speak for them nor can I make any appraisal as to what they think or why.
Anyways, If you have anything else you would like to say or wish to continue this conversation, I would be happy to speak to you over AIM or over PM if you choose as I fear inquiring minds may misinterpret what it is Im saying and the situation may be aggravated. Besides, I spoke to Nestor already and it seems there isn’t much else to say about this matter publicly. Gonzales, Zoob, Zorin and Justo who make up the rest of the Springfield group will have to answer to your claim on their own as I mentioned above since I simply cannot/do not speak for them.
If you are interested in discussing this matter or just saying hello and shooting the shit my AIM handle is Pancho DDS.
My PSN is to the left as well, in case you want to get some games in.