hey i was only knocking your old videos down since that kind of gief plays embarrasses the rest of us…
if u say uv gotten better thats fine, we all had to start in one place
i was simply just using those videos in comparison to ur posts and they just ddnt match up
u can add fry of freedom on xbl and we can get some casuals in for practice for ssf4, i havnt played sf4 in a while but im sure i’ll still be a good match
mirrors are indeed boring tho
Welcome to most footsie battles ever, dude. Justin Wong routinely stuffs all of my normals with Cammy’s roundhouse, but he could probably pick lots of buttons and do the same thing. Bottom line is that Cammy has fine buttons in this matchup, including st strong buffer drill, low mk buffer drill, far lk buffer drill, far mk, and far rh.
As with most of Gief’s matchups, people freaked out about it at first and have gradually come to understand that it’s not really that bad. This has happened with almost every character, including Abel, Balrog, C Viper, Cammy, Chun Li, Dan, Dhalsim, E Honda, El Fuerte, Fei Long, Guile, M Bison, Sakura, and Vega. Like Renegade says, the Cammy match is somewhere between even and a slight advantage for Zangief.
Gief is still stupid, dont worry you wont have to learn street fighter yet you can still mash buttons and hope for a knockdown. At higher levels he’s still gonna be a threat but at least he takes reasonable damage and EX hand damage isn’t absurd.
i must say that chunli player is horrible, keep jumping forward with incorrect timing and distance and let u lariat hit(not even crouch lariat) ex birdkick when u netural jump. and let u knee to spd hit so many times. typical scrub chunli.
if u think this kind of play is good enough to show ur "respectable playstyle"
i am just gonna laugh.
and ture we are not going to fight online, i am pretty sure the connection will be one bar.
But what’s shocking me is that ur arrogant attuide, like only u and ur “so called respectable gief player” have the right to judge the nerf , not anyone else. when actually showing us ur “respectable play” without a single ex hand linking combo.
now i can see why exhand damage is not important to u all. tick to spd is enough for ur sleeping opponents.
Oh shut up crybaby. If you still haven’t figured out how to fight Gief just quit SF4.
Why don’t you show us a video of your playstyle, or put your ID up so someone can see what you have to offer? Or are you just a troll?
Ohh you are Freedom Fries, I think you used to be on my list. Haven’t played you in ages.
no way is gief vs. cammy 5-5. it’s a 6-4 or 6.5-3.5 but i would lean more towards are 6-4. definitely winnable, but cammy has to work in very different ways than against most characters to achieve success against gief.
That is the best Chun Li player in the nation… How can you not recognize the name? And you act like linking a combo into EX GH is sooooo hard and special. Why do you keep bringing that up? tick SPDs occur because they fear the combo into EX GH. If you read your opponent and realize that their primary instinct is to block against you then SPD/RBG is the best option.
Because i am not the one bought up the " being a “respectable gief” player before u can post here and argue with the “established” here,"
Someone else did, and I just cannt help but laugh when I saw his “respectable style”
So let me get this straight. You don’t play because you didn’t bring up the fact that good players tend to know what they are talking about? Your an idiot.
maybe he is a very good chun li player in ur nation, but judging from what he is doing in that paticular mathc, he is not doing well at least in that one.
ok, sure. ex combos are not so speciall,
but when u hit them, they have 4 options
obviously u are an idiot, of course i wont play a one bar game with any one of u out there.
and i dont see why most of u want to upload that shitty videos. and using these to prove something.
do you think u are mahoshojo zangitan. LOL
I don’t recall anyone saying combos are not important for Gief, so I don’t know why you keep barking up that tree as if people disagree with you. Most people were just telling you that the damage nerf isn’t that big of a deal and you kept going on about how important EX GH is and how any damage nerf to it would be devastating. Did you here that ALL reversals got damage nerfed? I would say Ryu and Sagat’s uppercut are just as vital to their game (maybe more for Ryu) as Gief’s EX GH is to his and they got bigger damage nerfs then we did. And Ken and Akuma combo into there uppercuts all the time and they got damage nerfs as well. Even Cammy got a damage nerf to her uppercut. Your point about that being the straw that brakes Gief’s back, making him a low tier character, is ridiculous.
The U.S. and Japan are really the only nations that matter when it comes to the best players…
All of you guys kinda need to STFU. No offense.
Shizza is apparently pretty good, but not exactly the best chun ever. Can’t see the name in the video though.
That Chun was ok. A bit too aggressive and didn’t adjust to your agressive gameplay. Also not many good chuns get hit out of EX SBK on wakeup by headbutt. At least offline. good, but the Gief in the video did some really random unorthodox things like two focus attacks, unconfirmed low shorts into EX hands, and whiff green hand SPD.
Stuff you can’t really pull offline.
Not exactly a lariat spammer, but not collected gief play. It’s as if you doing stuff completely at random. Not really any confirmed combos, footsies or what not.
Anywho.
Cammy/Gief is very winnable at high levels, it’s just that scrub gief is better that scrub cammy.
Which is #1 reason why gief is getting nerfed in Super, yet has yet to win a major tournament.
ok upcut got nerfed, did ryu got health nerf? ken and akuma any health nerf?
as i have said , the reduction on gief’s health already canceled out their damage nerf.
now the gief’s nerf is totally extra.
not to mention. their most devastating combos are hurricane kick bombos, and they can put hard kick hard punch into combos, that hk hp damage is also very important.while gief 's combos are basically all lp lk linked into, so ex hand damage is the core part.
Shizza is the best Chun the US or at least top 3, but he is no Nemo. I totally agree that lariat complainers are the reason why Gief is being nerfed more than other B tier characters. In their mind Sagat and Gief are the best, because they beast on scrubs the most.
I’m glad that Lariat can be swept easier in ssf4. Because, now no one will take the time to learn all of the awesome punishes that can be done to it. 
Glad to see you are back from Iraq Renegade. I hope to see tourney videos of your Gief in ssf4.
In fairness to Shizza, he tried a lot of things in that video that he definitely doesn’t pull offline. I think he’s probably the best Chun player in America, but don’t judge his play from how he plays online, judge it by the fact that he’s beaten guys like John Choi and Alex Valle in tournaments and recently won an LA Riots tournament.
Haha. Wow. I don’t visit this board, I main Chun. (as a side note, there aint nearly as much drama there as here.), just clicked through on a whim.
But Shizza = typical scrub?
shakes head
Did you read what I said, or are you just kind of assuming I’m whining about Zangief when I wasn’t? I see no reason why Abel, who’s best tool for setting up damage being the roll and throw, but is highly susceptible to throws in the process, should have an advantage over Zangief.
I’d rather it not be a free win, which it will never be, just a difficult one. Just using common sense describes why it should be a bad matchup for Abel.
You should read the whole post next time, cause my whole point is, Gief shouldn’t be a 1-knockdown win kind of characer offensively, but it shouldn’t be so stupidly easy to zone him or chip him to death on the more defensive side of things. I’d rather tht make it easier for non-fireball characters to hold their own against him, while giving him a bit more of a chance against some more his more absurd matches like Seth, Akuma, and Sagat respectively.
It should be like his vs. Chun or vs. Guile matchups where its a matter of one player capitalizing on the others mistakes versus just him dominating a certain group and bending over in the other. While holding the mentality that Lariat should be even more friendly to sweeps, for obvious reasons.