The horror…
I’m not saying Blanka should never upball Gief, just when he has Ultra 2. And if he has Ultra 2, empty jump > Ultra 1 doesn’t exist. Gief with both Ultra 2 and Super bar will be scary though.
Also, to gandalfrockman, I suppose the thing Blanka has to be most careful of is EX rainbow rolling out of the corner when Gief has Ultra 2. Other than that I don’t see too much of a problem as I doubt Gief can jump > Ultra 2 on reaction at midscreen or closer to Blanka doing a horizontal ball. Blanka shouldn’t be doing fullscreen horizontal balls anyway on Gief.
I would say now bison is 5/5 because lariet beats or trades with most his stuff unless the spacing is perfect. And you have to do about 1/2 as many combos as he does for the win because his bnb damage is not that great.
just watched two video of your
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i must say if this is what u called "respectable play"
i am gonna laugh my ass off.
ahahah… the gief is this picture is as nerfed as this thread
pains me to say this but im with this guy
that gief is just nooby
Well, as a Cammy main, I welcome any and all nerfs that they give to Gief. Sorry that it screws your Seth and Sagat matchups even more in the process.
well cammys dp has been decreased in priority so its still even
=)
Boooooo!
Seriously, though. I think the lariat nerf alone will make fighting him more tolerable. Won’t find out for sure til I play it, though.
I didn’t know anything about her dp priority being nerfed, just dmg.
dp priority has been toned in general not just for cammy
i mena im sure it will still be a beast of a special, but more tolerable just like lariat is now lol
but cammys main problem was her unsafe on block specials that just gets destroyed by gief unless u always spaced em but then spiral arrows can be beat on reaction if tried to be spaced
so you will still have nightmares fighting giefs lol especially if a blocked spike can be U2’ed on reaction (maybe buffered and u+f and 3k right after she hit? who knows)
To a cammy main, you’re not trying hard enough if you think cammy/gief is a terribly lopsided matchup.
Gief wasn’t really broken, he needed more buffs then outright nerfs, and I main Abel. Not to say that matchup isn’t a nightmare, but with Gief in 4 its really just about pressure, and closing the distance, and using fear of his other moves, to setup to greenhand or SPD. Lariat was a bit too good, glad they nerfed it.
Greenhand didn’t really seem like it warranted a nerf, and his normal moves were pretty damaging. It’s not like he’s Honda or Sagat though, he hits really friggin hard but I don’t remember ever playing the matchup and complaining about a heavy punch. Besides, he’s a giant Russian that much makes sense.
Its alittle stupid that characters that can zone him all day just kind of laugh at Gief, while your typical Fei Long, Rog, or Abel ends up miserable that they have to fight Gief. The latter group of characters constantly giving him shit because it felt less like they got thrown because they made a legitmate mistake and more because Gief could just pull that shit off + Lariat.
He deserves to have some good matchups, and some bad ones. But I think he should have an easier time getting in on some of the really ridiculous zoning strats, if at the least it wasn’t like “Gief knocked me down, guess I’m dead.” or “I used a jab when he was unable to block it, here comes Ultra.”
If you thinking nerfing lariat will help Abel in this match, I have a bridge to sell you.
Abel Loses to gief in one way just like he loses to Chun… buttons. Gief’s buttons are 10x better. Secondly, Gief has a huge advantage up close.
Neither of those issues were changed for Abel.
Seriously, this is completely indicative of the “scrub mentality” whining fest about Gief leading to all the wrong adjustments being made.
You can punish lariat, you know. Block. Ultra. Massive damage.
Ok that first vid is from 8 months ago and I have been playing seriously for about 6 months but yeah I didn’t know the elf match back then. That second vid is from a major frosty in Chicago 3 months ago and it happened to be the 3v3 winners semi’s so my team got 4th in a major with me winning a majority of the matches. Here is the last touney I was in http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=230099 I got second. So swsru or 2 ton let me know your names online and we can get some mirrors in. I bet I won’t get any matches vs you guys because I bet your better at theory fighter than street fighter.
Man, I’m being snarky today…
But, mirrors don’t really prove anything besides who is better at the mirror match. Besides, the Gief mirror is hilariously stupid. Literally do 4 moves and wait for the other guy to do one of the non 4 moves and punish accordingly.
“Oh no… now we’re actually going to learn how to play Gief?”
Keep the nerfs coming, and weed out the scrubs, I say. The pros will adapt, as they always do and hopefully the lariat lag spammers will go back to MK vs DC, or jump off a cliff… or something constructive that involves drinking bleach.
I’m not sure if you’ve ever used Cammy against a Gief, but I recommend you do before you start handing out recommendations on trying harder. He can stuff everything she has with the push of a button, literally. She has to work some serious mind games to chip away at his health all match and if she makes one or two mistakes, it’s gg.
I remember reading that she has a 3/7 matchup against him somewhere, so someone agrees with me that beating Gief isn’t as easy as you make it out to be. Dogma has a good point about Gief’s matchups, in that he’s a joke to the people with projectiles who can zone him all day, but everyone else has to get in to do their damage.
The elf match was shockingly awful, but hey, we all gotta start somewhere, and it is an old video.
That said, neither of them looks good enough to justify BP Amoco’s trash talk even If I agree with the sentiment. Looks to me like he has solid tactics (a bit light on pressure, but thats at least partly a playstyle choice.), but still has some execution barriers to overcome. Missed hit confirm opprotunities and such.
Our sagat matchup has almost certainly been improved in our favor. We didnt get nerfed NEARLY as hard as sagat, and u2 will likely hurt his zone game a bit.
Seth MIGHT be easier, but I doubt it, we will have to wait and see.
The Lariat Nerf is a joke to any good gief players.
The way they nerfed it will have no impact whatsoever on people using it properly. They changed the collision propertys on the second spin and later so that gief can be hit out of it in a larger area. Its still projectile proof, first swing from crouching still has insane AA properties, and we can still ex-greenhand from trade lariat. People who are annoyed at lariat shouldnt get their hopes up.
IT WILL MAKE LARIAT SPAMMING SCRUBS CRY! no-one else will care. This is a good thing.
Yeah mirrors are boring but i like mirrors you can work in some tricks like empty jump lariet baits to SPD’s and fake cross-ups to knees to tick and at i high leve it comes down to how quick you are with MP and not getting ultraed. If they want to fight my gief with someone other than gief let them im pretty sure the result would be the same but I doubt i will ever play either of them.
Gandalf here are some more recent matchs that I feel better show my playstyle.
Heres me vs shizza.
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Heres me vs Scruffs seth
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It’s 5-5, 4-6 at the very worst for cammy. Like Akuma, Gouken, and Fuerte, Cammy’s hooligan option select pressure is very difficult to stop as Gief. She can grab him (even from crouch) and there’s not much he can do about it. All reversals get grabbed, backdash gets punished (into ultra), jumps get DP’d.
She also has Cannon Spike FADC back Ultra, which is the best of both worlds, b/c it gets her out of trouble.
Her pokes are serviceable enough to complement your game.
She’s one of the few characters that can be aggressive on gief.
At empty jump-> SPD range, why would gief lariat? Far Jump FP stuffs lariat clean out there.
Not to mention yours jumps (empty or no) lose to S.HK and neutral jump head butt, which are two of the four moves.
You can’t cross up or “fake” cross up gief. All of his wake up “options” 1.jump 2. Backdash/forward dash 3. EX SPD 4. Lariat come out regardless of what side you’re on.
Also, you can’t really safe jump Gief in that way. If you attempt a meaty knees, EX SPD will grab you out of your landing recovery for free. Yes, empty jumping into grab would pull him out, but since you already have that threat just by standing next to him on wakeup (without untecable knockdown), attempting a crossup is pointless.
Finally, the only time you “could” safely empty jump grab is post Atomic suplex, EX SPD, or ultra… which don’t really happen that often in this match.
Nor should you “tick” him. Loses to all of his options badly.