ever learned math?? 160 reduced to 130 is not " a bit" 30 reduced to 20 is not a "bit"
especially when it is the most frequently used weapon for high level play.
Oh. i am sorry , i didnt realise u dont play like that
u seem to be pretty enjoying grabbing ur sleeping opponent ,hiit a laiat, noraml hand every now and then. and of course, they are sleeping for the entire duration of gameplay.
Sagat’s Uppercut and safe Tiger Knee got damage reductions from 180 -100 and 100 - 30. Those are big damage reductions. Bison got his st. RH reduced by 20 and many of his other moves as well. I don’t see Gief’s damage nerfs being any worse than any other S, A, or B tier character. So until it is clear that Gief is the only character with big damage nerfs I don’t think we have anything to worry about.
Glad he is being toned down a bit, but it sounds like Zangief will still be a total monster up close. Seems about right to me.
Check out the videos I put up in the video section. Gief against Cody, Hakan, and Ibuki. =)
Again you don’t understand what you’re talking about, most of the problem with giefs matches was NOT<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< the damage dealt by the opponent, but the sheer dominance and ease of use with what those matches had over gief and gief had little to get round it.
Gief getting in was the real problem with these matchups, its not changed.
The damage nerfs are not what bother me, its the ease of use with which seth/akuma/sagat can keep him out, which bothers me as at least two of them are going to be the most popular characters in the game, SO IT MEANS, any gief player is going to have to endure a lot of bullshit and boring, horrible matchups to play.
Have to played Akuma against a good opponent, its hugely boring, to stand any chance of winning its usually a long stalemate type game and its not much better against sagat and night on impossible agaisnt a competent seth.
I’m not going to wait till its released, idiots saying about damage have no idea what they are talking about, the fundamental things that make these matchups broken are not damage related, especially as gief has become less damage, in the deepest sense capcom just reduced everyones damage a bit so if anything the rounds will drag on a bit longer. It might give gief one or two extra opportunites to get it, but seeing as those 3 matchups are SO BROKEN to begin with and the changes are so subtle, it won’t change anything.
I tell you what home boys, I’ll make a screen grab of my post, in 6 months time when you discover everything i said has come true, I’ll just a little reminder.
Less damage means more chances to get in, and Gief can get in. It is just hard. Plus Akuma and Sagat will not be as popular in the new game, because there is going to be new characters and Sagat got nerfed and Akuma got semi-nerfed. Expect to see Dudley and T Hawk might be a good counter pick against tough match ups for gief.
Stinkybum I would suggest stop playing gief. Infact stop playing street fighter in general. Everyone but ryu and sagat have bad matchups. Who cares deal with them. I can beat GS level Sagats Akumas and Seth’s in fact i find the challange fun. If gief had no bad matchups it would be boring i perfer to fight a good sagat then a shitty dan. You come off like a troll and should go away. If you know how to punish even a bad match up properly you can win and its great. Check this vid vs seth. [media=youtube]vpkp9rJw91g[/media] Also whats your screen name on XBL or PSN. I want to see if you even can play gief i bet i could beat you 16-2.
I take games off the winner of EVO 2k9 in super Turbo and I was doing Guiles Standing Fierce Punch into flashkick in 92.
You’re not even in my league mate, just another scrub on SRK who think he knows what the hell he’s talkling about, I’m talking about a high level of play, believe me, if you’re beating Seths online, its because they are crap Seths. If you’re beating Akuma’s its because they are crap Akumas, if you’re beating sagats, its because they are bad sagats. Not becuase the match is fair or you’re good. the only way you would ever get close to me is because capcom have slowly designed agame which helps worse player stay close, I.E. you get beat up, you get a free ultra opportunity or via a bad matchup.
The matchups at present (with no real changes I sdon’t see this changing)in SF4 are 10-2 10-3 10-3, those are not my figures, that’s data from top players in Japan, a place where many unknown players would beat many of the so called best in Europe and USA, so its pointless like so many idiots on these forums trying to imply that its jsut becuase I’m getting beat. I win most of my games. Can’t someone point out faults for the greater good and not have some dumb scrub jumping to all sorts of conclusions. If I cared about winning I would pick top tier.
I don’t gie a shit if I come off as a troll, maybe I just know a lot more than you and your only way of dealing with it to classify such people as a troll.
Don’t bother me with your bullshit, I know I know way more than you. And I’ll note your name, I have about half a dozen people on SRK who have talked shit to me, in a few months I’ll be uploading videos of me taking each one apart and uplaoding to youtube and posting back here.
Just to show exactly what I mean.
I don’t care about losing, I care about playing a fair game, you’ve become so used to biased matchups you thnk its acceptable, that’s a big part of your problem there.
If one chracter can be balanced so so can another and another, we should not be having these problems nearly 20 years on from the original SF2.
Bison got a teleport, chun lik got a fireball, isn’t it time to give people like guile and gief on tiny freaking update of real worth.
Its amazing that you’ve been playing that long and you don’t know how to read a matchup chart.
ive seen plently good seths die out to a zangief… in a tournament…
lol redefine your definiton of “good seth” than that shit is soooooooo wack if they know what they are doing.
Gief is a counterpick character it’s just true you either win easily or lose easily with the only really balanced matchup probably being ryu but imo thats very slightly in ryu’s favor but I play ryu so : P
I agree with you that Ryu has a slight edge against Gief, and so does Daigo. He rates it a 6-4 in Ryu’s favor.
I agree with both of you, and I play zangeif. I have a feeling that it will be pretty much even in ssf4.
Ryu’s nerfs will remove some of his edge in the ryu-gief matchup, While the nerfs to gief seem unlikely to effect it, and u2 seems like a much bigger threat to ryu than u1.
Im with sephiroth on the seth thing too. No halfway decent seth should be losing to a zangeif of even remotely similar skill.
Any seth losing that match needs A LOT more practice.
As far as stinkybum goes, it should be obvious from his posts at this point that he is just making shit up. No-one who has been playing half as long as he claims to have been could be so incompetent as to be unable to read a tier chart. I dont think hes posted a valid set of numbers yet, and hes posted alot of numbers…without linking any sources…ever…
I’m not worried; if worst comes to worst we can always jump on the T-Hawk bandwagon. He has the most health, and I assume that his 360 grab will do more damage then Gief’s, as was the case in Super Turbo and HDR.
^this^
…But I will miss body splash, knees, and headbutt… so much fun for the occasional scrub stomping.
:lol: Clearly the brain is the source of your shit babble, as you lack even the basic reading comprehension skills.
Where the hell did you get “Ex hand is a waste of ex bar” from? Is that really what you got outta my entire statement? I won’t even bother to restate my point. I’m just gonna sit back to let people read your senseless reply, and they can see your stupidity for themselves.
I’m done with you troll.
^ Since I double posted, I’m going to quote the one thing your brain can’t seem to understand from my statement (and in general).
what an idiot!
now u agree " ex bar should be used for ex hand" now??
whenever it’s ex combos or pure ex hand, it’s EX GREEN HAND that is doing the main damage!
which part of it ur shitty brain cannot understand??
LOL
let’s review ur idiotic statement .
so basically, if u have ex bar, u are not going to use it in a combo, but try to do spd instead,and u are calling it waste, right?
it seems fighting sleeping opponet is really the only thing u can do.
No one said you shouldnt use meter for ex hand, You have a nasty habit of either completely misunderstanding people or intentionally misqouting them.