Lol at the comments of the developers, “fairly functional”, hahaha using lariat for wakeup pressure? What the hell. Nerfing his normals and everything? Just stupid.
Time to move on to T-Hawk I guess for a lot of Gief players : )
Hey, can you test if he’s got some stupid links now like c.mp, c.mk or c.mp, c.mp? Thanks.
He’s still good. Ultra 2 is pretty fun. Everyones big damage moves got toned down. He’s still gief and from what I’ve seen most likely the highest tier out of the grapplers.
It IS WAAAAAAAAAAY too soon to be using the word tier.
Point noted but lots of people spending alot of time playing super. And hakan and t-hawk seem to have more bad match-ups and less good ones Than gief but who knows once people figure out all the shinanigans.
His lariat still seems strong based on the vids i’ve seen. you just have to use cr. mp more which seems to have sped up.
I’m still maining him but one discouraging thing is his ultra damages. Nerfed big time. Certain other ultra’s like DJ’s U2 seems to do more damage. Crazy.
I also noticed when watching the character trails was t.hawk’s ultra damages. he seems to do damage that vanilla gief used to.
Nevermind, I just noticed that the Gief trail I watched, the player did the ultra right before the meter was completely filled.
It’s way too early to say anything like that seriously, but yeah, right now I agree.
Really they should have gave him Ariel Russian slam.
I am laughing at the people saying that they switch to T-Hawk or Hakan. Zangief is mutch better than both of those two.
Btw my biggest disappointmentis that EX Green hand does 130. But many moves got toned down so I gues we cant complain? Ryu EX Hurricane does 160 dmg now. Rufus EX Messiah, EX Snake strike and tornado are mutch weaker. he got more nerffs that zangief for sure.
Zangief can neutral jump U2 bisons EX PC(and non EX).(I gues it is the same with honda, but this is untested)
Zangief are very good vs Adon, becuse late lariat beat ALL his moves.
Gief can poke the shit out of Makoto
Dunno about the rest.
Zangiefs jumps are also faster, we can suprise better with empty jump.
Hes normal throw does like 160 or 170 dmg I think(unchanged).
I dont use the cr lk much because i never really got the timing down too well, but his hard trial I could do it within 4 tries.
this time in super it did take a couple mins to land it. So i dunno if its true, cr lk timing may be diff. again, I smoke crackrocks though.
How good of a counter poke is cr. MP against Sagat’s st. RH?
Is the damage for LP 20, 30, or 40? I’ve heard all 3.
Cr. LP option select EX GH is what you want to do against sagat, when you are crouching and he whiffs st. RH. Not that I can do it myself 
Not sure about cr. MP
I don’t know how cr.lp would be 40 since right now it’s 30. In regular SF4, st.lp is 40, st.lk is 30, cr.lk is 40, and cr.lp is 30.
I cofused c.lp and c.lk
c.lk do 40 and c.lk do 30
???
Still confused aparently =(
Which is how I expect things to pan out, though I’m curious how Thawk matches up against Seth/Sagat…he can traverse a solid distance quickly…especially since Gief’s jumps got nerfed (I’m picturing a bullseye on his chest with the letters “S.RH” painted on top in red, when goping aainst Sagat…
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I have no idea what you are saying. Read my post again. I don’t know how to make it anymore clearer.
Got my copy today, and I gotta say gief seems great! I am in love with cr. mk I want to have its children.
But Im prolly going to switch to T-Hawk for a bit.
Not because of any gief nerfs. Its just that both of em need to get in close to do what they do best.
Gief has to drag himself to his opponents, and try VERY VERY HARD not to pay for every inch in blood.
T-Hawks all like “CONDOR DIVE” and hes done. Hes close enough to light their cigarette for them , or ya know grab their tiny human cranium and ram it through the floorboards a few dozen times. (theres no damn way thawk and gief are human. They must be part bear)
I know Im oversimplifying, and in all likelyhood Ill come right back to gief in a couple of weeks. but I have to sort this out.
While Im comparing grapplers: I CANNOT figure out how hakkans supposed to work. It doesnt mean jack that he can grab people from half screen when the damage is so sad, and staying oiled seems INCREDIBLY difficult against a competent opponent. Im probably missing something but hes not a grappler in the same sense as zangeif or T-Hawk.
Condor’s dive not safe at all, man - what are you talking about? You gotta space it right otherwise people can just beat it or punish after blocking for free.
Check out some of Diago’s Hakan in the capcom unity stream - he was beating up fools with Hakan for a bit. He won’t be top tier but he seems to be a contender for sure.
Hopefully this hasn’t been mentioned yet, but I found out by playing today what they changed in Gief’s jump. In Vanilla SF4 Zangief’s empty jump hitbox seems to be really small, so even without short jumping you can dodge a lot of normal anti-airs as long as you empty jump. This has been taken out, so Gief is going to get hit out of the air a LOT more now.