So you sit there and criticize other people’s play, yet you don’t have any videos of yourself to show and you are unwilling to give us an ID so some of us can see what you have to offer? You don’t know if its a 1 bar until you try buddy. Until then you need to stop criticizing other people’s play if you can’t represent yourself as being better.
Stinky so heres how it works. Everyone else says 7-3 because that adds to 10. So sagat wins 7 and Gief wins 3. When you say 10-3 that means sagat wins 10 and then gief wins 3. So what you have been saying is by saying 10-3 to most people it means sagat has a 76% win rate vs gief but what you are trying to say is that he has a 70% win rate towards gief so you shoud really say 7/3. Trying to be nice here just get on board with how everyone else says it because your stuff is confusing to everyone but you.
And thanks Mr Suplex.
Also this thread is amazing.
HAHAHHHAHA, aww, I was hoping he would keep spewing out numbers that made no sense. Yeah, we all know what he means but I just wanted to see how much longer he was going to keep it up. The gief forum has been pretty dead for the past few month and now we’re fortunate enough to get all this exciting action. I love it.
LOL Crapface this ones for you! Hopefully if we piss him off enough hell post more random numbers. I must confess thats why I didnt give him any explanation in my post.
I love watching retards get all pissed off when someone calls them on shit.
Your posts indicate that you dont know half as much as you think you do. I know that I am at best a competent amatuer at sf4. I havent played in serious tourneys Since Alpha 3 was in vogue. I do still play in some local tourneys and at arcades, and I have even a run a couple of tourneys for local gameshoppes.
You claim to be a veteran of not inconsiderable experience, Make outlandish claims which everyone promptly disagrees with, then Instead of explaining yourself you throw insults and trashtalk. Those three behaviours do not sit well together. However if you were lying about the first the other two suddenly make perfect sense. You cannot possibly blame us for drawing a rational conclusion.
I come to shoryuken.com for basically 5 reasons:
1.You dont have to be playing in tourneys to have an interest in playing at a competitive level; and in my experience this is the best place to go for current top level strategy.
2.There are people here like ultradavid and renegade from whom I can learn much.
3.I’m still interested in the tournament scene and someday Id like to get back into it, but right now my family and my career take up too much of my time for me to make a serious showing, and prevent me from traveling for it. Through shoryuken.com and its peers, I can still follow the pro tournament scene.
4.I like helping people, I know just enough to help someone every once in a while when they have a question.
5.People like you make me laugh.
I dont care where eventhubs gets their numbers.
Where they get the data is totally irrelevant to me.
The data is not good data; that is all that matters.
Couple notes about your amusing post:
1.I dont think I have ever displayed any particular regional bias.
2.The one thing I can certainly agree with in your post is that Japanese play is undoubtedly higher level 99% of the time.
3. Your post made me laugh harder than any of your others. THAT IS NOT AN EASY TASK. for acomplishing it, you have my humble congratulations.
what a travesty!
I was the one that showed regional bias… because its true. 
By the way stinky The US has higher level play then Europe, just like Japan has higher level play then the US. However, Japan seems to be into winning more than anything, that is why you see Sagat, Akuma, Balrog, Daigo’s Ryu in the top cut of every tourney over there.
In America we have more of the cast represented at the tourney scene. More of the cast performs well, because honestly we have better players they just are not playing the best characters. I don’t think there are many Japanese pros who could rival the skills of Combofiend, Jwong, Marn, or Filipino Champ. But they don’t use Akuma or Sagat…
What are everyone’s thoughts on Gief’s viability in ssf4 tournaments?
I think we will see Gief finally being tournament viable. Sagat, Akuma and Seth will be less popular in the new game by merely the addition of all the new characters and the greater overall balance. A lot of the new characters will have average to poor match ups against Big Red. This is what I am most excited about.
I want zangeif vs t-hawk to be a 5-5 matchup. and for NO-ONE to have any 8-2 or worse… Prolly a pipe dream, but its definitley what I would most like to see.
I think its just WAAAAAAY too soon to say anything about tournament viability. In zangeifs case especially. They said in an interview that his air game had been toned down, but as of yet I havent seen any details. I will reserve any thoughts regarding tournament viability until we find out more about that.
The last time Marn went to Japan he got bodied by like 2nd tier Sagat no name player. :lol: There are definitely enough people in Japan that rival Marn’s skill. He was good at Guilty Gear or whatever but he just doesn’t have the SFIV expertise to be seriously contending players in Japan. He was really good early on in SFIV because he had access to the game months before the game released and traveled to Japan a couple times but he doesn’t scare people anymore in tourneys. Just look at WCW2. I think Japanese players would fall back to Sanford Kelly, Arturo or Alex Valle before they fell to Marn. Marn is definitely a tier below them. Marn for sure is better than me at this point in time but he there’s clearly a level above Marn in the US.
Filipino Champ? He’s not bad but he just doesn’t have enough SF background to be GDLK over in Japan. Especially when Dhalsim is mostly figured out in Japan by now. Arturo is a step up from Filipino for sure. I mean Filipino is good but he’s not gonna be running over the top 100 or even 200 Japanese players with any ease. Maybe if he used a weird character that they don’t know how to fight like Seth (OnlineTony) or Gen but they got the arcade cast figured out and any top player using the arcade cast basically has no choice but to be better than their opponent or lose.
ComboFiend is GDLK. He’s definitely a better player than Marn but this is Japan. Honestly as good as ComboFiend is there is like 300 ComboFiends between SFIV and other different fighting games in Japan. They also play harder and more often than he does. That’s not saying he couldn’t do well. I mean Arturo played hard body in Japan and did very well. Though he honestly still has a limit and especially with Dhalsim was at a steep disadvantage in certain matchups with characters that were regularly played in Japan (Rufus/Akuma).
as long as sagat and seth own gief he doesnt have that high of a chance for winning a tournament
now if giefs U2 changes the matchup to be less lopsided…then yeah theres a good chance
but i doubt it…
even if kuma and sagat are less used, they will most assuredly be used as counterpicks at least
i respect ur opinion but disagree 100% about our top players vs the japanese ones. those players u mentioned are no doubt elite us players but they would get schooled in japan. the so called “unknown” japanese pros would dominate if they came here. the level of play over there is just so much higher. i can’t believe u actually said that we have better players? that’s absolutely ludicrous.
as far as gief doing better in tourneys, i don’t think anything will change that much. he’ll still have tons of trouble against the usual suspects-ryu,sagat,akuma,seth,etc. what makes u think he’ll all of a sudden be a force in tourneys? he got the most nerfs out of anyone imo and no one really can say how strong his u2 will be but i doubt it will be this amazing game changer that everyone thinks it’s gonna be.
IMO Our top notch players are a little better. But there is a big gap between our best and our average. Their best and their average are a lot closer which makes it seem like there are so many high level Japanese players who can compete with our best. I agree that my list could have been a bit longer, including Sanford, Valle, and Arturo.
Jwong said it himself. We have better footsies.
Yeah i could get really good in japan if i was up vs high level comp in the arcade 7 days a week but instead im stuck playing laggy online matches in GS. not that that makes me a scrub it just means im not learning the best habits. I personally think if i was in the arcade in Tokyo for 6 hours a night instead of online on XBL in chicago for 6 hours a night i would be a much much better player. The Japanese have a higher level of play because of constant competition at the arcades almost no point in comparing US and japan nothing in the states compares to the daily shit they get over there. Think how good you would be if there was somewhere you could get by public transit where you could play 5 or more of the top 50 players in the world 7 nights a week lag free. Its just not fair to compare.
We are not an arcade society, which is why I’m glad the arcade version won’t be coming out for awhile. Also the online engine will be a little better, and it is more about finding some good players that live within a few hours of you. Online player matches with people just a few hours away are pretty lag free and I think it’s the best way to get practice if you don’t live near a good player base. I get online and play some good players in So Cal as much as possible and the small amounts of lag don’t hinder me too much.
I hope that Gief’s forward dash is faster, because focus dashing through sweeps and bison/chun pokes into SPD will be more friendly. Because right now your best option against chun and bison is jumping past them and Bison is getting a good anti-air…
Wow, I disappear from the Gief forums and wonder why this thread blew up…I thought some REAL bad nerfs started rolling in…foudn it its just REAL dumb trolling and arguing 
heh.
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The argument over the source o Gief’s damage was just dumb by ALL parties. Gief arguably does DO most of his damage from footsies and EXGH comboes, but those are only being LANDED because of the damage the SPD can EASILY create…so no you may not get 90% damage from ticks into throws, but ultimatly its the fear of being thrown/knockdown that lead to the majority of Gief’s damage…which is done by footsies and EXGH comboes.
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After reading a bit more about the dip in damage for a large portion/majority of the cast, I’m no longer majorly concerned with the damae reducx on GH. The only thing I’d be curious to check out is how bad the damage reduction is based on comboes, it might warrant doing tweaks to the BnBs, taking out a c.lk or something to get the most damage out of it, but I suck at doing the math (or looking it up hehe) and I can’t exactly test that yet.
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I thinkthat the most important facet of Gief’s that needs to remain unchanged - are the properties of his attacks. The usefulness of s.mp for instance, the ‘slow hitbox’ on s.mk, those remaining are FAR more important than losing a little damage or health. The lariat change I’m 100% behind…the sistuations I use lariat for remain unaffected or barely affected. The only change I’d like would be a couple more moves that are FADC-able…just something to add to the mind game options that isn’t game breaking…like c.fp FADC throw…its slow as shit, but has a solid surprise factor, with decent timing I’ve pulled some nice Ws using the EXSPD afterwards for sucking up the attacks since they are usually delayed cause they aren’t used to seeing the move.
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I love hen I hear things like Cammy/Gief is 5-5 or 6-4. tt lets me knoiw I’m not crazy for feeling the matchup is morebalnaced than initially given credit for. I’ve run into some REAL good Cammy’s who no matter how hard I work, put me thru the ringer…via footsies, spacing, and FUCKIGN HOOLIGAN :mad: …
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In general I think the changes won’t change things aqs much as I initially thought. But that also means the Ls I took before won’t change either. They could reduce Sagat’s attacks by an additional 50% on top of what they just did and it would still b e a bad match-up. I think introducing U2 might be enough to put the Sagat fight OVER the Seth fight in terms of difficulty, but they are still up hill climbs.
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When its all said and done, I’ve just lost interest in Gief, he’ll fall back in my rotation to like 4th - Gen/Dee Jay/Vega/Gief…
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It isn’t damage reduction you need to be worried about, in the grand scheme of things that is fine. What you need to focus on is what they have done to his jump.
I played a bunch of times yesterday and something about his jump is definitely different; it feels like he flies like a kite now when he jumps. Check the videos out that I have uploaded. Super is a bit faster than vanilla so the timing of my combos is too slow but just have a look at his jump. It not only affects jumpins, but also crossups. I don’t understand what has happened to his jump yet so i won’t say it’s bad, but it can’t be good, they already said they nerfed it.
My videos can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Hakf
IE, everyone here complaining about ex greenhand nerfs.
THANK YOU SOOO MUCH!
Hmmm…
Looks like maybe he loses most of his forward momentum at the peak of his jump…very different trajectory as a result…REALLY Hard to tell from video.
Looks like maybe the centerpoints on some of his air attacks have been futzed with as well… Once again… cant be certain… REALLY hard to tell from video.
you should have used U2 against Honda
All the nerfng 'Gief seems to be victim of relative to the negligible tweaks Ryu is receiving, speaks volumes for how off the ball Crapcom are regarding character balance.
I just don’t see how giefs nerfs are that bad.
-The damage nerfs seem pretty mild relative to what other characters received.
-Looks like most of his important move properties havent been changed.
-The lariat thing wont bother ANYONE who’s using it right.
-After watching the videos, I think the jump adjustment is less a nerf and more a change. You will have to be standing closer before going for a jump-in or a crossover. That will take some getting used to, but I dont think its that bad…