Run away Testament has been owning my Potemken, lately
Uhh…
Sol can’t jump in on Baiken. PERIOD.
F+P owns whatever he does since it’s 2 hits. And if you’re near corner, that’s free dust loop afterward for you.
What I am saying is that the match is far from actually being “even” though. I will agree, this is one of the few matches that Sol, or anyone for that matter, has to rush down with minimal caution. But I only see this being a problem when people are unfamiliar with Baiken. My friend and the person I regularly play uses Baiken as his main. I remember teaching him her dust loops and set ups before he expanded and got better on his own. I have an extended amount of exp playing this match up, and trading with normals. She has one diamond in the ruff, a max range HS (which is slow by the way, and doesnt beat his f+p either =/ ), her counters aren’t tottaly usless, but they are only effective if the Sol does really doesnt have a clue. They will not stop VV under any cercomstances and are more dangerous than anything to play around with unless you know who you are playing very well. And you are forgetting, corner or not, when Sol gets level you die. Period. Its almost as bad as Slayer (but not quite). All Sol needs to so is do ranged pokes untill meter is half, and then anally rape you. I do it all the time when I am lazy. Other times he can just surgically take baiken apart knowing full well she only has 2 or 3 options to deal with the countless change ups he can throw at her. The most obvious being a bate of the counter. But that is only one side of the coin. Realistically, there is no way in hell Baiken can succesfully rush Sol down, ever… He will still always build meter faster, if he gets in trouble he can always snuff everything she has with a gun flame, c.dust, or even a GV or VV for that matter, all he needs is level. All you have to do is hesitate or act on impulse incorrectly one time and you are dead. You are telling me, that you require adiquate spacing against one of the most viscious rush down characters in the game in order to survive at all, but its “even”??? And then what if Sol does happen to let you zone well enough to snuff him with your hs? IF you do a dust loop and he doesnt burst it, it still wont kill him. And you have no way to put pressure on him of all people. So now you have a Sol who has way more options than you playing cautiously, with a good bit of level by now. If they play solidly you still lose. I also already mentioned that her hs is slow, the priority means very little if by the time the start up is done you are on the ground, or worse, counter hit c.dustXXgun flame to dust loop… I understand where you are coming from, trully I do, but I seriously think it a “stretch” to say this match is even.
I apologise, I meant f+hs, not f+p that beats her hs. It also staggers and leads to dust loop. Her hsXXtatami is her only ace. But its easily delt with by covering yourself with a gun flame. It takes all her options away. Pretty much all she has can easily be delt with by alternating between dash cancle gun flame, c.dust gun flame, and just plain max ranged slash>c.dust negates everything she has. And lord help you if Sol gets level.
Sol’s 6H only leads to a Dloop if you have 50% Tension (cancel to Grand Viper and then RC). Anything else can be shaken out of. That and 6H by itself is garbage.
I still think this match is in Sol’s favor, but people shouldn’t underestimate Baiken’s repertoire of bullshit. Dasrik is correct that most people concern themselves with her counters TOO MUCH, and this is the undoing of the majority of Baiken players that I’ve met. Counters are baitable, heavily so, and using them as a crutch will get you killed quickly. She’s one of the most effective turtles in the game due to her extremely high damage off of simple zoning techniques and her high-priority pokes. Most people forget about this and just go for knockdown -> high-low wakes or counter-heavy turtling. Her okizeme game is strong, but many aspects of it are risky.
j.H is indeed a pretty good normal, but it needs to be set up somewhat due to its bad speed. Stuff like close 6P (blocked), then JC into an early j.H is pretty strong, and that also allows you to cancel to an air Tatami and then start your mixups. Just be wary of Volcanic Vipers when using this move.
Sol has no real reason to jump in on Baiken anyway, but the fact that she can deal with his options pretty well is something to consider.
The main point here is that even with meter on hand, the Sol player has to be more conservative than he usually is. If you just go for your usual rushdowns and don’t take Baiken’s defensive measures into account, you may find yourself flat on your back in a big hurry. That alone is enough to put the match at no better than 6/4 for Sol. Saying he just outright owns her is pretty inaccurate, because her damage is just as plentiful and just as scary as his, and she fights counter to his general style (heavy zoning/turtle character against a zoning/pressure-based rush character).
In a nut shell. It may be phrased biasly if anything, but you cant really argue with that.
Maybe its not an issue to me because I have been playing this match since I first picked up Sol, but Baiken has never been a problem for me. It doesnt take even half a round for me to figure you out and if you trully zone me that proficiently I will go at with you on the long range tip and in almost all instances Sol still wins.
God I hope SS George Bush and Beast of Fire play each other in NC. The last time they fought it was really a toss-up between Baiken and Sol. But that was a long time ago so. I guess I will have to record these matchs and let you guys decide. Anyone in the area should come cause no-one throws GGXX tournys like the A.Sand NC.
P.S it took some time but I fell that Sol is going to win this one.
Sol loses to Baiken because Sol has a delay in the transition between his duck and his standing animation so on wakeup Baiken can do a standing dust on him and he won’t be able to block it because he is blocking low and it is unblockable if yiou block low (That is some real BS if you ask me because everyone knows ground moves can be blocked low btu not baiken’s i guess).
Beast of fire knows this is true.
Not going into that one. Suffice to say, everyone has some delay in going from crouch to standing, so theoretically that “trick” should work on everyone. But I’m pretty sure I can block Baiken’s Dust on wakeup w/Sol, thank you very much.
Them fighting words guys.
If Sol nailed Dizzy, would it still be hot even though Sol’s her daddy?
Changing the subject is futile.
seriously does want to fight Raph again
So he cant block it on wake up, so what? its needs to be a preimptive attack in order to be unblockable if what you are saying is indeed fiesable. In other words, she has to commit to it early – two words…
Volcanic. Vapor.
No, this not true. We tried this out today. With Testament I blocked 3 standing Dusts in a row that Raph did. He got really pissed and quit. That must mean only Sol can take damage from Baiken’s Dust combos and therefore make Baiken counter Sol.
With Testament we’ve found a glitch to not lose Possession (236+P on hit) when Testament gets hit an attack. Also there’s a crouch cancel infinite of some kind with his 2.HS but I can’t get it down consistantly. Maybe if it’s not too hard, it could be applied in tournament matches but not right now. It’s too early to tell, but maybe this will raise Testament’s ranking in the tiers.
Uh-huh, sure. Crouch cancel infinite. The game’s been out for almost a year and a half now, and I haven’t heard crap about this. Sigh.
prove it. vids now.
Sol isn’t confirmed to be Dizzy’s daddy.
Just a NITPICK.
mentioning vids, where can i get them (mirc? give me server/chan - for ggx2 that is)
edit: i love chipp… very fast. is he great?
Crouch cancle…
lmao
You guys never fail to amuse me. I must say however this has got to be the funniest shit I have heard in a while.
Sol VS Baiken
This thread has been very good. I was actually hoping there was just one post about this fight and I find a whole thread.
Well anyway, can Sol punish Baiken after a blocked c.dust x tatami?
I have a friend who throw out way too many of those and I’d love to make him stop the habit.