Get Ready! The New Match-Up Thread

I’m a gen main, and let me say this, don’t try to outfootsie Gen. Gen has easily top 3 footsies in the game. What gen has a hard time dealing with his divekicks. Gen DOES have good anti-airs, against people who can’t easily change their air trajectory. His primary means of anti-airing are crane cr.hk and mantis cr.hp, both are heavy attacks and have enough recovery to not be very viable against divekicks (unless you’re being predictable.)

He also struggles against good upclose pressure. He does have a dp, but only his EX one is worth a shit.

Anyways, I do think this matchup is 5/5 but I have not played a lot of Yun’s as Gen nor a lot of Gens as Yun. But if you have PC version i’ll play Gen with you.

No I don’t have SSFIV for the PC, otherwise I’d take you up on your offer.

If i come into some money this week, ill pick it up.

Yeah I don’t know what to do against Gen, there’s hardly any online and when I do come across one, he’s not a joke. Lol.

I played alot of sagats today and even the scrubbiest one lamed me out. I could get in and dominate but the second I was knocked down I was back at a neutral game. Plus I didn’t know how to punish his lk tiger knee. Wow I hate sagat.

Steam was selling ae for pc for only 10$ a while ago so i picked it up, that deals over though lol, but you cant punish sagats tiger knee if its done from a safe distance and the second hit of it hits yoi late, i hate that match up too, i main akuma as well as yun so whenever i lose to a sagat in tournies il immiedietly switch the akuma haha.

I got a couple of match ups headed your way. sakura for sure, and maybe makoto

Hey guys, Abel player here

Just finished reading the write up for the Yun vs Abel match up and wanna say that it’s fantastic. Who ever wrote it really knows what they’re talking about, goob job, and i’ll prolly show this writing off over at the abel sub forum to give the other Abels an idea of how Yun’s approach the match…

A couple things I’d like to help and correct for you guys though:

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[]If Abel dashes cancels his Step kick on block he’s actually +1.So the case claimed saying that yun’s 3 frame jab should beat out everything after blocking a step kick except EX TT, isn’t true. Abel’s throw will come out faster and therefore the jab along with all other normals.
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]Another thing is Abel’s close roundhouse (overhead): If the roundhouse connects against a crouching opponent it actually does give Abel some frame advantage, +5 to be exact, which which he can follow up with a far medium punch…
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Hope this helps you yuns out here…

A lot of good info, you guys make the abel match up seem so easy but for some reason I seem to have trouble with it haha. All of the info definetly helps though!

Huh… And all this time i thought it was 0…

Well, I’ll change my write up on that to accommodate the new info. Thanks!

Also, my write up for Sakura should be up by tonight.

Alright so i’ve been having trouble with the Cody Matchup. whenever i get knocked down and cody goes in for the mk cross up, it hits me if i’m standing and blocking and he lands in front of me. I guess now that i’m trying to explain it, it hardly makes sense.

I’ll try to get a good video of it happening in a match. But basically, does cody’s mk cross up have a weird hitbox that wraps around yun’s head? I saw the block come from behind yun’s head and then cody landed right in front of me.

Could be an unblockable set up. Try Focus Dashing out on wake up if your having troubles with unblockables.

Wow does anyone else have trouble with juri?

I have no clue how to fight against her. Plus i don’t see any online so i had no real match up experience.

Khaoticsymbiote, aside from very few matches, 90% of Yun’s problem, especially in the low to mid level, can be fixed by just working on Yun’s fundamentals and game plan.

Yeah, that’s actually the best advice I’ve gotten here. Lately i’ve been losing to some really bad players. Time to relearn Yun.

Yep. here’s are some lists of things you can do to keep in mind, and also make an important note to never do any of these things too much (at least not now when you’re working on making Yun from the ground up again), but at the same time, choose few things from the list to master and slowly broaden your game plan. After that, learn some match-ups, then break down your Yun again and re-work your Yun from the ground up into more and more advanced stuff.

Neutral game
-Neutral jump
-Regular jump in
-Dive kick (FOCUS ON SPACING! your fst.mk should give you a rough idea of the distance, use it as a distance measurer)
-NEVER EVER let them jump in. I advise you stay just outside of all their pokes and wait for them to jump in to practice this.

Footsies
-FOCUS ON WHIFF PUNISHING (fst.mp is a good start)
-fst.mp xx shoulder
-fst.mp Target combo for positioning
-cr.mk
-cr.mp (against certain moves)
-fst.hk
-fst.mk
-spaced med lunge punch

Upclose pressure (block strings)
-chain or linked jabs into throws, their tech timing will have to change for either chain or linked
-st.lk (underutilized, very potent if you know the match up)
-st.jab pressure (walk forward jab jab jab walk forward jab walk etc etc etc)
-frame trap with delayed jabs, or better yet cr.mp AND close st.mp
-meaty cr.mp into ex CG
-non meaty cr.mp CANCEL (last few active frames) into regular CG <---- very advanced shit, not recommend you practice until later
-forcing your opponents to crouch block a lot, then throw in neutral jump dive kick to catch their tech limbs (note some characters with fast cr.lk will only rarely get hit)
-using blocked attacks to set up perfectly set up dive kicks. EX: cr.mp, cr.mp, nj. MK dive kick = perfect hit toe. Another: blocked shoulder, nj. HK dive kick = perfect. Final: cr.jab or short, st. jab. st.jab (not chained) = nj.mk dive kick = perfect.
Note that there are many block strings that set up for perfect re-entry with dive kick. find your own strings that works for you.

These are just some fundamental things you can work on to level up your Yun from the base level so that you can apply your mix-ups with much more confidence and frequency.

Character match-ups are for mid to high level players where meter management, life management, resets, oki, and etc take place. Strengthen your basics before trying to dig into match-ups. There’s a reason why my write-ups assumes you know “how to Yun” relatively well.

More advanced Yun tactics include using palms in block strings, correctly using command grabs, post-throw and shoulder set ups, resets including genei jin resets, and more.

requesting a yun v sagat write up
and also videos of your yun v gief. when I look on youtube all I can find is Kaz in 2012 getting destroyed by Itabashi.

yun vs sagat is underway. and as for yun vs gief, watch some 2011 match-ups. watch ones of xian. the match up didn’t change much from 2011 so it should give you a good idea. i’ll get some videos up when i come across a gief of my level doing a best of. i’m not gonna sand bag some chump gief and put it up to validate my write-up.

big thx man for this thread. Anything about Claw’s matchup ?

Alright i’ve been getting destroyed by makoto’s normals. Wtf do i do against her jumping attacks?

We wouldn’t ask you to compromise on anything, I’m sure the Yun forum here agrees you’re a great poster and resource PoundCake.
For curiosity’s sake, what do you think of Hsien Chang’s matchup list (hsiensf.blogspot.com)? Does he have Air-syndrome where he thinks an unexpected amount of matchups are not in his char’s favor? Some of his matchup ratings surprised me.

i think it’s pretty accurate except for most of his 3.5 match ups… Yun vs Cammy is not in Cammy’s favor IMO, as with vs Guile and THawk.

Generally though, he seems to think that Yun is worse than he is. He takes away many .5s and flat out 1s in favor of the other characters for many of his match-up ratings.

Haha this place has been dead for a while. I have a couple questions about the cody match-up. At a neutral game what should i do/look for? Also Cody’s bad spray in the corner, does it have a weird hit box? It hits me after i knock him down and cross up lk dive kick.

Any tips as well are welcome.