This might be old, but I found it while lurking on Dankah’s twitter:
Uplifted my spirit quite a bit!
What is going on with the forums index page? The link to the (wrong) Third Strike section is removed, but this leaves no links to Third Strike whatsoever.
Ken must win round 1 in order to stand a chance vs top Chun. Personally, I think it would be interesting to look at a 100 random top level Chun Ken matches. See which ones Ken wins round 1 and ends up with a victory.
Now if the Ken enters round 3 with 2.5 gauges then he stands a good chance, but it’s pretty difficult if Ken has to blow his load just to win round 2 and goes into round 3 with nothing.
Cool thanks. I’ve been watching footage of top Chuns play the Ken match and noticed how they’ll hold onto their meter in round 1 if they’re winning, even when seeing easily confirmable buttons. When I see Chun enter round 2 having won the first round and with a bunch of meter stocked up, it looks pretty impossible for Ken.
When a Chun enters round 2 with meter after winning round 1, it looks impossible for everyone.
Hector Galfria! You always have the best connection!
as for Ken Chun, I think Chun has it the whole way if Ken isn’t playing the toesies game with low forward. It’s a train ride full of gimmicks that doesn’t let you let up. One really has to be on top of their game to beat an equally leveled chun. Though, early on when she doesn’t have super fireball is a little useful and I guess that helps.
I looked down at my qwerty keyboard the L key is no where near the R key, I think you are making fun of me.
That is mean, you are mean.
So, what do you do when someone you know bashes 3S? The argument always comes back to:
Bad balance
Parrying is too easy
In which case I say that while Chun is top tier, she’s still beatable, she has a few weakness you can exploit (Namely her wakeup game and the start of a round where she doesn’t have meter). It’s difficult, sure. But it’s not impossible.
And Parrying can be baited. It’s not an end-all-be-all strategy. In fact, it encourages player diversity and makes the game feel more like you’re playing the player rather than the character.
But these facts are brushed aside because of SBO top 3 and the American 3S scene.
i don’t understand 'parrying is too easy’
it’s as easy as your opponent makes it.
Well, the argument is that you can buffer the parry and do shit. Which still isn’t a guaranteed parry. So, I don’t get the argument either.
I think “parry is too easy” is usually code for “I kept getting my low short buffer parried and punished on my wakeup.”
I know its sacrilege to lots here but I do agree that 3s isn’t balanced well. if chun didn’t just totally shut down characters like Necro, Oro, Alex (or at least had 1 bad matchup!) then I’d think the balance was good enough.
but blasting parry, particularly in the context of footsies irks me. even with hadou walk option parry is kind of wack in a footsies battle. as far as destroying trap tactics like Vega (as in Viscant’s famous example), I can’t say I’m bothered. I think even many ST players wouldn’t mind Vega c.mp spam to be less effective.
To be fair, parrying, at its most basic, is easy. You simply tap a direction (either toward or down) to execute. So if we were to go with that, they’d be right.
Of course, this is not the case. Application is what everyone is referring to.
Now, it’s easy to just see a parry and think, “Oh, hey, all I have to do is just tap [forward/down] when I see the move, boom, instant parry, and I get free damage.” I’d wager a bet and say that 95% of the crowd that started 3S thanks to the 2004 Daigo video thought this (I’ll admit, I was one of them). So they go in and try to parry every damn move in the game. Of course, a smart player ends up throwing off the timing and their subsequent parry, and then the parrier gets punished, to which they say, “Why didn’t it fucking work!? This game is fucking broken.”
If anything, I always ask them to full-parry Chun’s super. Obviously, they’re ready for it, and hell, they might be able to parry it. So then I tell them to full-parry Chun’s super in a match. I throw them multiple times instead, or counterpoke, and win the match that way, and then they get butthurt and say that I didn’t throw the super, in which case, I throw the counter to their argument. It’s easy to parry when you know what’s coming, just like Daigo seems to know when to uppercut you. It’s akin to a poker read.
And then they say that they know when it’s coming. So then you fuck with their timing and call them a useless whore for insinuating that they know anything.
The bitch pisses me off to no end but compared to other top tier characters in other fighters I would fight her. He AA game is good, but she can’t combo into SA2 unless she delays it in which case you can still block/parry the confirm. Her pokes are fucking broken but until she has SA2 loaded you have a decent chance on getting in. Her air-to-air game is mediocre thank god. Plus she has a faulty wakeup game and average health. *
Compare to say Mr. Karate in KOF13. He has a gdlk air-to-air game. A gdlk AA game where he can easily confirm into super for 450 damage. Really good footsie game and zero bad matchups.
There’s holes in her game that can be exploited. You have a chance to make it happen. It’s not like other games where if you have a shit AA game or shit air-to-air game or just shit footsies. You are fucked.
*Edit: I thought Yun was considered a bad matchup for Chun?
at that end of the world tournament Pyrolee called it 5-5 in favor of Chun. I dig that.
Pyro wasn’t on the mic, as far as I’m aware. It was either Pherai, Eric Chin, or myself.
IIRC someone asked Pyro and he said “5-5 Chun” and whoever was on the mic joked that that didn’t make sense.
possible I’m imaging things! but I don’t think I am.
A well developed metagame creates a bigger gap in balance. Thats the whole point of meta-game right?
But they cant say parrying is too easy AND bad balancing, you would kinda think that cancels eachother out.
Thats what they say when they just read stuff on the internet and be like “Whoa, 3s sucks” :>
They need to start handing out behavioral psychology Ph.D’s to 3s players once they get pass a certain Danisen Rank.
The dialogue you’re thinking of indeed did happen but it wasn’t pyrolee, or at least, I don’t remember pyro on the mic at all that night (I had a majority of the mic time, btw). If it happened during the Generals match, it was either pherai or I talking with Eric Chin.